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Sad that Disgaea totally bombed as predicted.
20k ww, eh? Japan will be there alone.
Launch titles don't always work that way.
What way?
It will be out of chart sales so we'll have to wait for a long time now anyway.
Long legs don't mean price collapse.
Possumowner
Member
Nice sales.Now let's see those legs...Gonna guess Splatoon 2 will be a system seller when released
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Probably the not so hot sellthrough, but that's been par for the course for puyo games for years so idk what actual expectations areßig;231696656 said:
But overshipment does and 20-40% sellthrough isn't a very good place to start (though it's a wide range for now)
We're in a launch situation however so it could go both ways.
SS
ßig
Unconfirmed Member
So? Why should retailers drop the price just because the earliest of the early adopters didn't buy all the copies? The game will continue to sell to new Switch owners at full price just fine.
So, according to Famitsu, these are the shipment range:
Zelda Breat of the Wild - from 241k to 321k
1-2-Switch - from 103k to 137k
Bomberman R - from 50k to 66k
Dragon Quest Heroes 1-2 - from 43k to 64k
PuoPuyo - from 32k to 64k
Disgaea 5 - from 12k to 25k
Setsuna - from 11k to 23k
Nobunaga is the only game that hasn't charted
Zelda Breat of the Wild - from 241k to 321k
1-2-Switch - from 103k to 137k
Bomberman R - from 50k to 66k
Dragon Quest Heroes 1-2 - from 43k to 64k
PuoPuyo - from 32k to 64k
Disgaea 5 - from 12k to 25k
Setsuna - from 11k to 23k
Nobunaga is the only game that hasn't charted
DarkConfidant
Member
Wow. I didn't even know horizon was releasing in Japan the same week. That's amazing that even got second, seeing as it's a western game that mostly controls like a third person shooter.
These games have been out for 2 days and there isn't much else to buy right now - so Bombabins might be something that's not needed until some more games are released
Bomberman and 1-2 Switch are going to need more shipments
Bomberman and 1-2 Switch are going to need more shipments
The Horror the horror
Banned
Why is Disgaea struggling?
By all accounts, it's one of the strongest entries in the series.
By all accounts, it's one of the strongest entries in the series.
Sylverstone14
Member
So Zelda over Horizon, and 1-2 Switch over Zelda on Wii U. Interesting.
Shikamaru Ninja
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So how well is 1-2 Switch going to do in Japan?
I'm guessing the Disgaea audience just isn't there on Nintendo consoles.
ethomaz
Banned
That is pretty bad to Switch if this trend becomes true.
I hope 3DS users start to see Switch like an upgrade.
Depends on Nintendo, if they announce more mini games in the upcoming months it is a good game to own - especially if there is more content and the price goes down a lil bit.
A mix of it being 2 years old, full price, interest in the series seems to have massively declined and most Nintendo-only day one buyers probably have never played Disgaea before and likely have no real interest at present.
Japan in general finds physical releases better. Several factors contribute to this being the case.
Japan has a healthy second hand games market.
Retailers cannot return unsold games to the manufacturer.
Games are pretty front loaded.
This means that games get released, get bought up, played, and sold. Then retailers must compete with the second hand games market and will compete on price.
The digital market do not have these forces to drive down prices, and so they stay high, higher than the physical game.
Anyone who values the money saved (often a significant amount) and returned over the second or so it takes the pop in the cart will get the physical release.
Interfectum
Member
Eh? It's the first week... there should be no expectation of people dropping 3DS like a hot potato and migrate to a system with less than 10 games to play. 3DS users will come much later in this process.
For launch it looks shipments were mostly well arranged from retailers. 1-2 surprisingly didn't have a massive one.
I think what others have said will come to fruition. Nintendo will continue to sell Switch at a premium while releasing the last few 3DS titles. Later on they'll introduce a new SKU to caters to the 3DS audience with a more reasonable price and form factor.
I Stalk Alone
Member
Has Arms been released yet? Haven't seen much info on it.
IIRC the PS4 sales were 20K first week 45K LTD- the idea that it was going to do well at launch on a system with 330K total owners is insane.
Do you really have to ask? It's the 5th entry in a tired franchise, and a port of a two year old game at that. The last Disgaea game on a Nintendo console was Disgaea DS. The fanbase isn't there.
That's certainly part of the reason, but Disgaea 5 already struggled to reach its audience on PS4. I think at this point it's a series that more or less outstayed its welcome.
Kresnik258
Member
Haha! All you suckers saying Disgaea 5 portable would sell 1/10th of what Disgaea 3 portable sold and look at it go, selling almost double that.
All this Disgaea talk made me forget the real NIS bomba lately.
All this Disgaea talk made me forget the real NIS bomba lately.
ethomaz
Banned
Physical give you a lot of more advantages than digital.
- Cheaper
- You can resell or buy from second hand
- You can trade
- You have your SD free
- No download/install when you want replay
Digital:
- No small physical card
In Japan these Physicsl advantages are even more exposed because it is common activity to resell, second hand buy, trade, etc.
That is it.
darkstar0155
Member
so between 230,981 and 238,112 for BOTW, add another 5-10% and we can safely assume its over 250K by now. Not bad at all for a week sales for BOTW in Japan.
Well yea, by the time Disgaea 5 was released, many Disgaea fans were still on PS3/Vita. The early life of the PS4 in Japan was pretty bad iirc.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
1-2 Switch over Nintendo Land...
With overseas sales they already got there so this isn't as big of a sad moment as it could be.
Looks like a great start for Switch. And Zelda at #1? I thought the consensus in last week's MC thread was that Horizon would edge out Zelda to take the top spot. Clearly didn't happen. Regardless, good numbers all around! Next several weeks will be interesting to see how Switch performs post launch. Really need to pick up Horizon after I finish Zelda too.
Kresnik258
Member
Not buying this argument.
06./00. [PS3] Disgaea 3 (Nippon Ichi Software) - 54,596 / NEW
22./00. [PSV] Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention - (Nippon Ichi Software) - 22,453 / NEW
(41%)
04. / 00. [PS3] Disgaea 4 (Nippon Ichi Software) - 79.425 / NEW
04./00. [PSV] Disgaea 4 Return <SLG> (Nippon Ichi Software) - 33.749 / NEW
(42%)
13./00. [PS4] Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance # <SLG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2015.03.26} (¥7.776) - 22.725 / NEW
(22%)
Disgaea 3 was a Vita launch title too, yet managed to retain a larger FW proportion in comparison to the previous game. There's "not doing well" and then there's doing half as well even comparatively.
I'd say it's just franchise fatigue, but as I mentioned in my previous post, Witch & Hundred Knight collapsed in just its second entry. So...
LordOcidax
Member
WW numbers for Zelda can be really really good at this point, taking into account that Japan is the place where Zelda sells less.
So are you saying if it had sold 10K instead of 5K it would be a success? I think we're quibbling.
Kresnik258
Member
Yeah. As well as can be expected in the circumstances, really.
I had initially thought the portable version would interest people who hadn't bothered buying the PS4 version (so might've done even better than that), but I think at the very least it should've retained the same level of people interested in a portable version of it.
Bear in mind, we're talking about an NIS who sold 13k of their second 'flagship' home console franchise just a couple of weeks ago. And that would put it up there just below the other ports on the system that were above the shit-tier.
FreedomFighter
Member
ZR and ZL are throwaway buttons in MHGen. I use Type 5 for those which lets me use Hunter Arts 2 and 3. You can map other things to them in Type 1-4. A non-issue for porting. My point is just to say that MHGXX
For me personally, I've been selling a lot of my hard copies of games on eBay in favor of digital downloads. I'm in the process of de-cluttering my space with fewer games. So midway through 3DS lifecycle, I went all digital and will be all digital with Switch. It's more about me having a new interest on physical space and not having so much clutter. I can't keep buying bookshelves for all these games.
LordOcidax
Member
Agree, even the Switch version outsold Horizon and NSW+WII U outsold Horizon with a 2.16 ratio. I think this need their own thread like UK.