Big Baybee
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Yea, it's not like Gibson only "reformed" because he wanted his career back or anything. Racism is just a different opinion right? Doesn't affect anyone in the real world at all. Nope.
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Mel Gibson Says That Marvel Films Are Violent "Without Conscience"
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SolidChamp
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So people are on his racist dick when he directs a seemingly critically acclaimed film, but hiss and snarl and bring up his atrocious views when he insults the MCU?
The fuck?
The fuck?
Big Baybee
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I been on that fuck MG shit.
SolidChamp
Banned
I mean, Mel's criticisms aren't even valid, really. They're soulless products, but I wouldn't exactly call them "violent". They have the violence equivalency of a kid playing with his action figures.
LukasTaves
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He should know, after Apokalipto (however it's spelled) and Passion of Christ which are terrible even on the point he's making (Yeah, you care about jesus because it's Jesus, not because your movie made us care about him).
He completely nailed the feeling in Braveheart though, got give it to him.
He completely nailed the feeling in Braveheart though, got give it to him.
andthebeatgoeson
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Or, we worry this shit was festering and is a sign of an underlying problem.
Facts: we don't know if it's 'select' times or a sign of his true self.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Like...he's not right because there was a movie called Civil War that literally discussed these consequences....ugh.
345triangle
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i am sure that mel gibson is a prick but i'm equally sure that apocalypto is the greatest action movie of the 21st century.
the latter is more important to me. fury road took apocalypto's ball and ran with it; hopefully we'll see more of that soon and less of the marvel style.
the latter is more important to me. fury road took apocalypto's ball and ran with it; hopefully we'll see more of that soon and less of the marvel style.
Cesare Borgia
Banned
He's not wrong. A lot if not most action films today feature very casual, emotionless violence. But that's always been the case outside of a handful of films or shows. Comic book films do that while also featuring very stupid action to me. I can't imagine tolerating that nonsense after seeing Fury Road.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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He was actually trying to discipline by force because talking didn't work. He wasn't trying to murder...
Tony attempting to flat-out murder Bucky in the bunker was trying to "discipline by force"?
The Hermit
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I think the last Transformer was dark as hell.
But yeah, dehumanize anything and it's OK to kill it, even in violent ways. Reminds me of that episode of Black Mirror.
Hari Seldon
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Comic book films the violence is so casual and emotionless that it doesn't resonate at all. Like it might as well be a video game or someone pew pewing plastic soldiers or someshit. So I see where Mel is coming from.
Both based on historical events, not super heroes, and serve to tell a story about history not comic books. But I don't think Comic book movies need to have cause for violence, they are for entertainment
I think you may be skipping a few plot points there.
The vast majority of movies are for entertainment to at least some degree. That includes Hacksaw Ridge (and even Saving Private Ryan), Mel even admits as much in his interview with Colbert when discussing the whether it's impossible to accurately convey the horrors of war in a film due to the inherent artificiality of film. Though he does mention that he doesn't think it's a problem as he tries his best to show war's unpleasantness through brutality and realism which gives the audience a taste of what it's like to be there. I'm not sure I completely agree.
That's encouraging to hear that someone in popular media is trying to get that message out there.
Mechanized
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They're just popcorn action/adventure movies wtf does he want from them? lmao
Yeah man! I mean, which one of us hasn't told our partners we hope they get raped by a pack of n***ers?
RPGCrazied
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But Passion of The Christ and Braveheart aren't violent? Come on Mel, no need to be a hypocrite. And lets not forget Mad Max.
Violence without conscience. There's a difference.
Well that's what those movies are and that's the audience it's made for. Plus all the death goes unspoken so there's no need to even consciously grapple with how mundane it's made to be: NYC gets destroyed in what feels like every third commercial for these movies, so necessarily casualties are immense, but it's just people watching buildings get blown up and wowing at the spectacle.
Hari Seldon
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Yeah seeing NYC get destroyed at this point is like watching someone buy milk. But in these PG-13 movies when NYC gets destroyed, do you see burning bodies and corpes of children and all the other shit that would actually happen and did happen when cities were destroyed in WWII? Like if you are only exposure to cities being destroyed is comic book movies and you have no concept of what it is like in reality, are you more likely to support drone strikes or aggressive foreign policy? Probably not for most people I think, but I can see the argument.
CrunchyFrog
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Pretty serious lack of self-awareness, though that's par for the course for Riggs. That being said, Dr. Strange has some pretty casual collateral damage in the final action scene.
What parts?
I agree that people are using this as an opportunity to bash on the MCU but it's not like I can come up with any examples of actual weighty emotional resonance in those films, especially as related to violence.
I mean... Apocalypto.
Anyone who hasn't seen it, just read the bodycount breakdown and know that this movie is rated R. There isn't a Marvel film that comes close.
KaiserBecks
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I think it is, because he was a part of it and knew what he was getting into. Unless he expected the third one to be different for some reason.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Yo... what parts? Where Guardians of the Galaxy has 83,871 deaths on screen? Where violence solves every thing? How about in Age of Ultron's amazing opening scene where the Avenger's mow down nameless goons while joke about cursing? (It's weird because killing guys is not as bad as swearing.) Or how about Civil War where they try to confront their violent ways but have a big brouhaha at the airport and then ends perfectly:
Tony Stark beating up Winter Soldier and Captain America.
Strange upset because he doesn't want to kill... but then people are dying all around him but whatevs, not like he did it.
Should I keep going? The MCU movies aren't brutal or violent where they'll show like someone being slashed open but they're very casual about when random background people die. It's very ironic because it's used as a motivator for the heroes but when you kill a hero it's called cheap story telling... and it's like the biggest motivator for Doctor Strange.
Sure, Mel has been in some violent for violent sake movies but that's just y'all not wanting to actually discuss what he said.
PHOENIXZERO
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Or is it that there's little to show in the consequences of all that violence with the lack of blood/gore and so on is overly sanitized due to it being geared to a "PG-13" rating for a mainstream/kids/family audience? People die horrifying deaths but it's done in a way that doesn't really have any impact.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Civil War was all about people dying due to the Avenger's involvement. Then there's still senseless violence in the movie.
I'm fully on board with Mel's argument. Wanting to capture the brutality and horror of warfare, something we can barely comprehend and lose further ability to comprehend when we're mindless munching popcorn as superheroes fight in the mindless destruction of cities, has value. There is a weight to it. The deaths and bloodshed takes an emotional toll, or perhaps numbs you, which is still an impact.
No one is even moved to numbness by the silly bullshit in these comic movies because it's got zero impact. It's just to go "wow look at the cgi this battle is epic."
It's Roland Emmerich disaster porn films with people wearing stupid costumes. At least Emmerich's movies have the good sense to be proudly about that.
Netherscourge
Banned
Um, Mel, your Mad Max movies say, "HI".
old manatee
Banned
The MCU has an A-Team level of violence without consequence.
If you're going to make a public statement criticizing something as if you're a prudish soccer mom, you should expect it to be brought up. It's not a good look on Mel.
Dash_Riprock
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lol
Glass Rebel
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To the point that they try to sweep his racist and anti-semitic remarks under a rug in an attempt to make it look as if this is all about comic book movies. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so disgusting.
Is the topic supposed to be about Gibson's past transgressions or the comments he made about violence in recent films? It seems like it ought to be the latter, given the title, but there have been plenty of posts that have dropped in to say how much they don't like Gibson and aren't even pretending to engage otherwise.
No one should let him off the hook for what he's done if they feel that strongly about it, but I don't think it should come at the expense of not having a discussion about something that has been a genuine issue across the board for blockbuster filmmaking.
Red Liquorice
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I mean they're comic book action movies for children. Does he have the same opinion about Saturday morning cartoons?
I thought Apocalypto was great.
Adam_Vania
Banned
most superhero and comic movies have no moral center and no message beyond good guy good bad guy bad. nobody is permanently punished except the bad guys. nobody learns any lessons, or if they do, they are reset for the next film.
yes there is the Tony Stark arms dealer commentary in the first Iron Man but that is pretty much forgotten after that, the idea that developing new weapons to solve their problems is pretty much what every movie is still about.
the Avengers movies aren't really saying a whole lot, same with Batman & Superman, you may as well be smashing action figures together.
yes there is the Tony Stark arms dealer commentary in the first Iron Man but that is pretty much forgotten after that, the idea that developing new weapons to solve their problems is pretty much what every movie is still about.
the Avengers movies aren't really saying a whole lot, same with Batman & Superman, you may as well be smashing action figures together.
Lmao
Thats exactly what they're doing and its great. I love the salt.
Jag
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Are they? My wife and I enjoy them as well as our kids. Nothing wrong with some fun, mindless entertainment.
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