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Mel Gibson Says That Marvel Films Are Violent "Without Conscience"
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nintendork666
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This dude starred in Payback.
GabeTheGrouch76
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This question isn't accounting the context of why he went out of his way to do so at that point in the movie. Its worth pointing out up until
he saw footage of Bucky under Hydra's orders killing his parents; he had finally started listening to Cap's insistence about Bucky being framed for over the UN bombing incident and wasn't trying to capture hum for once.
To put the shoe on the other foot, this would be akin to giving Gibson's character Riggs flak for going completely unhinged at the third act of Lethal Weapon 2 and arguably engaging in the same "violence without consequence" Gibson himself is criticizing in the OP; while glossing over the fact that the film's villains revealed they unintentionally killed Riggs' wife while trying to get him (as opposed to his wife's death being an accident as stated in the first film) while also drowning his new girlfriend(?) in the same scene.
I can't tell if people are accidentally or deliberately omitting the framework presented in scenes such as the above to make the Marvel/ MCU movies inherently flawed in accordance to Gibson's remarks, but it's rather annoying nonetheless.
Hehe, this is pretty good.
How about the part of the Avengers where they literally show a memorial and televised tributes to the civilians that died in the Battle of New York?
And no one dies after the one dude Strange kills. They either had their deaths reversed by time or they're trapped in the dark dimension, staying alive forever
I was just being humorous in my original remark and wasn't making any kind of serious point. I just objected in my reply to the dude's odd description of Tony's actions.
Glass Rebel
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If Mel had shown a modicum of remorse for his actions and words, I'd agree. But alas...
why you so defensive bruh.
There are two tiny screens showing people lighting candles for the deceased while the news anchor talks about "the extraordinary heroics of a group called The Avengers" and then there's a Stan Lee gag 10 seconds later
GabeTheGrouch76
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Ah, OK. I genuinely couldn't tell if you were speaking in earnest or not, you have my apologies.
If this was some like Spielberg or Del Toro criticizing the MCU it wouldn't matter. But fucking Mel Gibson of all people? Lol.
No worries, mate! My fault, I wasn't very clear.
Love your avatar by the way, haha.
That's fine if the topic is if we should forgive Gibson for what he's done in the past. The problem I have is that isn't the topic at hand.
Personally, I think that even the biggest assholes can raise good points that are worthy of discussion. It doesn't mean that I'll stop thinking that they're an asshole otherwise, but being an asshole shouldn't be grounds for immediate dismissal.
Discotheque
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Lmao Forreal. Are we really gonna call that movie of all of them an example of having emotional weight for its actions? Which is what the full quote really talks about. Violence without caring about the people involved. And he's right. Many of these films are so quick to alleviate with humor that it's hard to really care about what they did or who got hurt etc. And it's not just the funny ones either. Can't say man of Steel did it either with its disaster porn finale. Something that BvS rightly needed to correct in its opening
Or maybe you're just unnecessarily hating on marvel movies which should be beyond reproach and youre forgiving a racists actions in doing so...hahaha
Like it's perfectly fine to disagree with him here but don't paint everybody who does agree with his point as a racist sympathizer. Fuck off with all that.
Glass Rebel
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Take it up with a mod.
I'd love to read those posts. Because there's quite a lot in this thread of people insinuating that the only reason someone would disagree with Mel is because he attacked Marvel/CBMs. There's a post outright saying that people care more about comics than Mel's racist remarks.
Dude Abides
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Well, yeah. The Marvel movies are basically cartoons.
He was asked a question and he gave an answer. Obviously there are more important things happening in the world but what does that have to do with this thread?
Psycho_Mantis
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obviously. These films are meant to be family friendly with copious amounts of cheese
crisdecuba
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My sense is that Gibson does not see the genre is being on equal footing with other genres and therefore reduces it in his mind to "people in tights." So, he's dismissive in the way that older generations tend to be re: new trends or market shifts.
Or maybe fuck Mel Gibson.
Don't need to be a Marvel fan for that.
"The Marvel movies don't address death and violence!"
"Yes they do, here's an example."
"THAT DOESN'T COUNT."
See the problem is people haven't seen the glorious movie Thor 2 Dark World which dealt directly with violence, death and the emotions that go with it.
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Agree with ya.
freenudemacusers
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No lies detected
What I meant was it's a really weak way to address the violence of an alien terrorist attack, two tiny little diegetic screens with no sound or focus sandwiched in between superhero adulation and a meta joke? For an alien invasion that, according to Netflix's Daredevil, hundreds were killed, that's not enough to address it. If you think it does count, then I guess it's a matter of sensibility. I felt absolutely nothing when I saw those people lighting candles for three seconds, I only laughed at Stan Lee
Stabby McSter
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Given the heights his movies can achieve in terms of expression and the capacity to make audiences feel, I can agree with his views on the current landscape of blockbuster movies. Marvel movies do what they set out to do, and bombastic violence is an intricate part of them, no doubt.
That said, this is his opinion, and he is entiteled to one. No one needs to agree with it.
That said, this is his opinion, and he is entiteled to one. No one needs to agree with it.
PdotMichael
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"The Marvel movies don't address death and violence!"
"Yes they do, here's an example."
"THAT DOESN'T COUNT."
It's rather pointless if punching the bad guy in the face is still the way to end the movie's conflict.
It's like the antiwar nonsense in Metal Gear, everything is shallow and empty.
Puck Beaverton
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What was the point of this?
Just like in the real world. We kill people who kill people because killing people is wrong.
Puck Beaverton
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you know the answer to this
Subpar Spatula
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Aww, they had a memorial. Wrap it up, guys! DIPLI- CRITICISM IMMUNITY. Good thing that's just a cheap trick. Age of Ultron opens with quips about cursing as the murder a bunch of goons. As I said before cursing is a bigger issue than violence in MCU.
People do die in Strange
but they're time dumbed back to life--still senseless violence.
No one's expecting a MCU movie to have a message other than "bad guy is bad and wants to shoot/kill/stab/blow up/conquer company/country/universe/galaxy but that doesn't mean it's immune to how shallow the violence is.
"The Marvel movies don't address death and violence!"
"Yes they do, here's an example."
"THAT DOESN'T COUNT."
Good thing all their movies still feature a bunch of violence... but don't worry, though, they'll have a memorial and go right back to ass kicking.
Count Dookkake
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He's more-or-less right.
Just a few steps away from redemption.
Just a few steps away from redemption.
Is the bigger issue you telling us what counts as a big issue?
Fancyarcher
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That's the MPAA for you.
I heard a lot of people say Civil War dealt with stakes well, but watching the airport fight..... I thought it was entertaining but all sorts of stupid. Cap and Iron Man proved themselves to be both kinda unaccountable and ruined both their arguments but all that property damage is OK cos no one died. I saw the wise cracks and thought to myself how seriously am I supposed to take this? I am not saying this as a DC fanboy, I like both sides but I don't understand how I am supposed to feel emotional when someone gets hurt in that scene. If i got a few of my boys together and we play fought with fencing swords and no protective gear and one of us got injured you'd call me a dumbass that shouldn't be surprised i ended up looking like a kebab. Now you have superpowered and a few non-superpowered beings, dropping cars, explosive arrows, fuel trucks and other shit i forgot on each other and you expect me to be surprised someone gets hurt. And people criticise Superman for being selfless with the spear in BVS.
Edit: I also found it unusual how much cursing the MCU gets away with. CW had way more gratuitous swearing than the R rated cut of BVS yet that cut was criticised for its language cos a character sayswhat the fuck are you doing in my house when Lex is randomly this dude's house.
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