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Metal Gear Solid 4 new video (SPOILERS)

I had my fucking jaw on the floor the moment it was fucking Shadow Moses! I hope it's fucking true!
 
i think the *only* reason why i liked 2 better than 3 (and i hate saying "better" because that sort of implies i don't think highly of 3....i love them both) is because i was so lttp with metal gear, i played the first in november of last year. so i had heard all these things about 2, (only playing as snake for a short period, playing as raiden, mindfuck of a storyline, etc.) and had read the metal gear plot synopsis probably 50 times over on wikipedia before playing 2. So i guess i kinda knew what i was getting into as far as the bait and switch was concerned, and it helped me understand the story a lot more.
 
Yoboman said:
Crazy people think that

I loved MGS2 and I think many do. But we were still harsh on it
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I dunno about that really, I know of a lot of people that prefer MGS2 over MGS3. I am not saying MGS3 was bad. They are both great games, but saying that MGS2 was treated like a bastard child is plain *crazy* imo!
 
Yoboman said:
That's not straight-forward at all. That's going back to Shadow Moses not MGS. Saying "is it possible to replay MGS!?", would be flat out misleading if that's all he meant...

Plus, why would they have such a trailer over a mere Easter Egg dream-sequence if that were the case?
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No, because it's about memories. Shadow Moses IS mgs1, by going back to Shadow moses you feel like you are going back to MGS1.

The purpose is to make us hyped about going back to where it all started...!?

Ynos Yrros said:
What about the questions and words throughout the video? With RE signified, and most of all "Can MGS1 be replayed?". Sorry, but if Kojima asks those questions, the answer is very rarely "no", unless it's answered in the same video.
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Right, you are re-viving memories, you are sort of replaying MGs1 by going back to MGs1. It's all about going back, it's all about Shadow Moses.
 
Issun23 said:
I guess this footage is part of interactive cutscenes where Snake remembers his past like you guys are saying. Kind of the flashbacks in MGS2 when elements from MGS1 were introduced. (Liquid Ocelot's arm and so forth.)
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Ohh LOL. But i will still NOT SEE IT!
 
WrikaWrek said:
No, because it's about memories. Shadow Moses IS mgs1, by going back to Shadow moses you feel like you are going back to MGS1.

The purpose is to make us hyped about going back to where it all started...!?



Right, you are re-viving memories, you are sort of replaying MGs1 by going back to MGs1. It's all about going back, it's all about Shadow Moses.
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You might be right, but that doesn't resemble what was implied in the messages at all
 
If you look at the end of the trailer.
You can see snakes breath so it means there is another area and its in the cold
 
Yoboman said:
I noticed the "Metal Gear Solid 10th anniversary" symbol at the end. I haven't ever seen that before.
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Up till now it's always been about the "Metal Gear 20th Anniversary"(which was last year)
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Maybe a little hint
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That would be because Metal Gear started 20 years ago and Metal Gear Solid started 10 years ago. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
 
Yoboman said:
You might be right, but that doesn't resemble what was implied in the messages at all
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IMO it does.

We've played through Mgs1, we played the remake, we saw shadow moses in Smash, BUT...we haven't gone back to Shadow moses, Snake hasn't gone back to shadow moses.

They show you shadow moses after the incidents in MGs1, it looks abandoned and in Ruins. It's playing with the message of memories, and it's telling you that you are going back to Shadow Moses.

We'll see, if it's a flashback sequence it doesn't make sense, why? Jesus people use your brains, look at the suit, look at area, it's not happening in the time line of MGs1. There will be flashback sequences, but what you saw wasn't one.

And it seems obvious to me that a Remake coming out of this...just sounds....well like it's not going to happen.
 
ROFLMFOAMFOASMDO!!! AHAHAHA

"Did yoo rike IT?! i fucking lold so hard :lol :lol

Any way, its really not that big of a spoiler BUT MY OH MY does MGS4 look beautiful,Also i really want a MGS1 remake for ps3 right now :|
 
Nooreo said:
ROFLMFOAMFOASMDO!!! AHAHAHA

"Did yoo rike IT?! i fucking lold so hard :lol :lol

Any way, its really not that big of a spoiler BUT MY OH MY does MGS4 look beautiful,Also i really want a MGS1 remake for ps3 right now :|
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So you ended up watching it? :lol
 
ilanna said:
I think I am the only one who doesn't want another re-make of MGS1!
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Agreed. Sort of. I mean, an MGS1 remake with MGS4's engine would be neat. But I'd rather the Shadow Moses act be big an epic rather than going through the same situations and storyline in MGS1 again.
 
Zedsdeadbaby said:
That would be because Metal Gear started 20 years ago and Metal Gear Solid started 10 years ago. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
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No shit, I'm saying this is the first time they've ever shown such a symbol for MGS's 10th anniversary or shown they had plans for it

WrikaWrek said:
IMO it does.

We've played through Mgs1, we played the remake, we saw shadow moses in Smash, BUT...we haven't gone back to Shadow moses, Snake hasn't gone back to shadow moses.

They show you shadow moses after the incidents in MGs1, it looks abandoned and in Ruins. It's playing with the message of memories, and it's telling you that you are going back to Shadow Moses.

We'll see, if it's a flashback sequence it doesn't make sense, why? Jesus people use your brains, look at the suit, look at area, it's not happening in the time line of MGs1. There will be flashback sequences, but what you saw wasn't one.

And it seems obvious to me that a Remake coming out of this...just sounds....well like it's not going to happen.
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They showed the ruined Shadow Moses we always knew about since last TGS. Why would they need to make such a trailer then? If it was just the modern version and none of the messages in between nobody would think otherwise. That's what makes it a confusing bait-and-switch but a night setting, different suit, a spotlight and some guards and it would be MGS again already. Heck if they recreated the whole or most of the complex anyway (assumption), what's to stop them from going one extra mile and adapting that to a sort of remake?

You're being way too obtuse if you think it could only be about returning to Shadow Moses. Why would they use the word "MGS" instead of Shadow Moses? Why such strong hinting elements of a remake if it's nothing of the sort?
 
Yoboman said:
They showed the ruined Shadow Moses we always knew about since last TGS. Why would they need to make such a trailer then? If it was just the modern version and none of the messages in between nobody would think otherwise. That's what makes it a confusing bait-and-switch but a night setting, different suit, a spotlight and some guards and it would be MGS again already. Heck if they recreated the whole or most of the complex anyway (assumption), what's to stop them from going one extra mile and adapting that to a sort of remake?

You're being way too obtuse if you think it could only be about returning to Shadow Moses. Why would they use the word "MGS" instead of Shadow Moses? Why such strong hinting elements of a remake if it's nothing of the sort?
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I'm being obtuse? I think you are the one seeing 72 virgins at the end of the tunnel.

Shadow Moses is MGs1. What happens in MGs1 happens in Shadow Moses, revival of memories, that's what i get from this trailer.

But i guess i look at it from a point of view, that being, it's a conclusion to a story, the are trying to make us hyped about it.

You see a remake, well, shit, more power to you.
 
Yoboman said:
They showed the ruined Shadow Moses we always knew about since last TGS. Why would they need to make such a trailer then? If it was just the modern version and none of the messages in between nobody would think otherwise. That's what makes it a confusing bait-and-switch but a night setting, different suit, a spotlight and some guards and it would be MGS again already. Heck if they recreated the whole or most of the complex anyway (assumption), what's to stop them from going one extra mile and adapting that to a sort of remake?

You're being way too obtuse if you think it could only be about returning to Shadow Moses. Why would they use the word "MGS" instead of Shadow Moses? Why such strong hinting elements of a remake if it's nothing of the sort?
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Yeah, I totally agree, I mean remember how all the trailers for MGS2 showed how you were going to play as Snake for the Big Shell, and then that's exactly what happened?

I'm glad Kojima never uses misdirection in trailers. Imagine how boring his games would be if he did!
 
I like how Snake's face morphs from his MGS1 self to MGS4 when he "wakes up". I think it's pretty clear we will go back to Shadow Moses for whatever reason.
 
This should clear this up:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9974&Itemid=2&limit=1&limitstart=3

“When I was doing focus tests within the office, I asked the former Kojima Productions staff, who’ve since moved on to management levels elsewhere in Konami, to play MGS4. And they were crying, not because of the story but because it took them back to MGS1, to when they worked on it without sleep. Some even recalled their freshman years, the days they joined Konami and the days that changed their lives. That was just a small success, granted, but I hope that players feel something similar.”
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MGS4 will takes us back to MGS1, its actual storyline, not an unlockable remake. And it will do so by taking us back to Shadow Moses.

Stop wishing for a remake if you don't want to be disappointed, guys. Really.
 
proposition said:
Yeah, I totally agree, I mean remember how all the trailers for MGS2 showed how you were going to play as Snake for the Big Shell, and then that's exactly what happened?

I'm glad Kojima never uses misdirection in trailers. Imagine how boring his games would be if he did!
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The MGS2 trailers never showed you playing as Snake in the Big Shell

WrikaWrek said:
I'm being obtuse? I think you are the one seeing 72 virgins at the end of the tunnel.

Shadow Moses is MGs1. What happens in MGs1 happens in Shadow Moses, revival of memories, that's what i get from this trailer.

But i guess i look at it from a point of view, that being, it's a conclusion to a story, the are trying to make us hyped about it.

You see a remake, well, shit, more power to you.
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No, I'm just reading what the text actually says and implies. You're just ignoring it looking for the more down-to-earth answer. Which is understandable, but doesn't make you right. The entire last 30 seconds is suggesting, to anyone with a clear understanding of English, that they are talking about the game and not the place

It says "THE CLASSIC MASTERPIECE RETURNS?" Why would they refer to Shadow Moses as "the classic masterpiece"? That makes zero sense

Then it says "IS IT POSSIBLE TO REPLAY MGS?!" Replay =/= revisit, MGS =/= Shadow Moses. Nothing there says it's only talking about revisiting SM. And it's flat-out misleading if that's all it is.

I'm not saying it definitely is this, but you're being silly calling everyone dumb for interpreting it that way
 
Yoboman said:
The MGS2 trailers never showed you playing as Snake in the Big Shell
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They did, actually. They replaced Raiden's model with Snake's during the Fortune boss fight, for example.

Yoboman said:
He's talking about people who worked on MGS1 though
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He wants the players to feel the same thing:

“It’s not just, y’know, remembering what Snake did or what happened in the past. It’s about bringing back yourself as you were then; I want people to think: I am here because I experienced those things back then. I wanted you to appreciate how things have stacked up since then.
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Zedsdeadbaby said:
That would be because Metal Gear started 20 years ago and Metal Gear Solid started 10 years ago. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
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Yes, we can do the math. The comment was made because Kojima actually created a logo specifically for 10 year anniversary of Metal Gear Solid and that could only mean Kojima has got something surprising up his sleeves. Good call for the OP to point out the logos.
 
The MGS2 trailers never showed you playing as Snake in the Big Shell
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Yeah, they never actually showed Big Shell in gameplay form prior to the release of the game. All trailers were cut to make it seem as if you were playing around the Tanker. They even had Snake fighting the jet on the Washington Bridge!

There was one trailer released almost in conjunction with MGS2 that showed some segments from Big Shell in cutscene form as well as Raiden, but it never once showed the player controlling Snake in that context.

They did, actually. They replaced Raiden's model with Snake's during the Fortune boss fight, for example.
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OK, I can see that. However, as I said, all gameplay segments were designed to give the impression of taking place on or around the tanker. The area where you fight Fortune could easily have existed within the tanker.
 
proposition said:
Uhhh, they showed Snake juxtaposed into cutscenes that were eventually replaced with Raiden.

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C14upMsuEFI&feature=related

We see Snake fighting Fortune, Snake wandering around Arsenal Gear, Snake meeting Olganinja (just from skimming through, there might be other scenes of Snaketaposition).
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I guess you're right, but I don't think it's the same as actively coming out and suggesting a REmake or something of that nature, only to be nothing of the sort. With Snake, it's more like they were hiding the truth
 
Yoboman said:
The MGS2 trailers never showed you playing as Snake in the Big Shell



No, I'm just reading what the text actually says and implies. You're just ignoring it looking for the more down-to-earth answer. Which is understandable, but doesn't make you right. The entire last 30 seconds is suggesting, to anyone with a clear understanding of English, that they are talking about the game and not the place

It says "THE CLASSIC MASTERPIECE RETURNS?" Why would they refer to Shadow Moses as "the classic masterpiece"? That makes zero sense

Then it says "IS IT POSSIBLE TO REPLAY MGS?!" Replay =/= revisit, MGS =/= Shadow Moses. Nothing there says it's only talking about revisiting SM. And it's flat-out misleading if that's all it is.

I'm not saying it definitely is this, but you're being silly calling everyone dumb for interpreting it that way
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Funny, why would they mention an already existing Remake of MGs1 and then imply to you that there's another remake coming.

Is it possible? What the f trailer, what kind of question is that? You just showed me it was possible, it's called MGS TTS

SMZC said:
He wants the players to feel the same thing:
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That's not what the trailer says!!! Remake believe
 
SMZC said:
They did, actually. They replaced Raiden's model with Snake's during the Fortune boss fight, for example.



He wants the players to feel the same thing:
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Okay that's great and all. Why haven't you explained the "IS IT POSSIBLE TO REPLAY MGS?" quote?
 
soldat7 said:
Just when I thought things couldn't get more confusing...they just did.

I'm guessing that you'll play random scenes from MGS within MGS4 as Snake experiences flashbacks.
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no,
you return to shadow moses in the present day
the fact that the facility is abandoned, Snake enters from land and not DSV, he's holding an XM8 and the fact that we've known all this for months should have made it obvious.
 
Yoboman said:
I guess you're right, but I don't think it's the same as actively coming out and suggesting a REmake or something of that nature, only to be nothing of the sort. With Snake, it's more like they were hiding the truth
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I just think it's KP playing around. It's like how we got Gene Meme Scene Sense because of rhyming and cadence, even though it's probably not the right words to use if you were really looking to express the meaning of the concepts. This new trailer is RE this, RE that, because it makes a greater impact, from repetition. I wouldn't read too deeply into it, because they're probably using synonyms with a roughly similar meaning just to fit the pattern they've created themselves.

Didn't they do similar wordplay for one of the MGS3 trailers using words for eating and stuff?
 
WrikaWrek said:
Funny, why would they mention an already existing Remake of MGs1 and then imply to you that there's another remake coming.

Is it possible? What the f trailer, what kind of question is that? You just showed me it was possible, it's called MGS TTS
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I don't think we're talking about a full on remake. But certain playable MGS flashback dreams are what I mean
 
Yoboman said:
Okay that's great and all. Why haven't you explained the "IS IT POSSIBLE TO REPLAY MGS?" quote?
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WrikaWrek already has. You're taking that sentence too literally, that's the problem.
 
Yoboman said:
Okay that's great and all. Why haven't you explained the "IS IT POSSIBLE TO REPLAY MGS?" quote?
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It's a question. What do you think is the answer?

If you take it letter by letter, then...the answer is in the Video. There's the original, and there's already a remake.

Yoboman said:
I don't think we're talking about a full on remake. But certain playable MGS flashback dreams are what I mean
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Maybe. But what we saw, didn't happen during MGs1.
 
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