See, this post is rather acidic as well. No need to stoop to his level, man.
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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]
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See, this post is rather acidic as well. No need to stoop to his level, man.
Or maybe he quantifies "slower than 360/PS3" as "horrible, slow", from a brand new 2012 console.
A lot of other people sure do. Why sugar coat it? Why are your feelings so hurt?
vasametropolis
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I guess nobody remembers or cares that the GPU is better than 360 and PS3 apparently, and that its general processing ability is supposed to alleviate troubles caused by the less than stellar CPU.
Nintendo systems are meant for first party. I'm not gonna sugar coat it, the CPU is most likely lacking. But, it's not gonna matter.
Nintendo is competing with Apple and Android, not Sony or MS. They have stated this publicly before.
Nintendo systems are meant for first party. I'm not gonna sugar coat it, the CPU is most likely lacking. But, it's not gonna matter.
Nintendo is competing with Apple and Android, not Sony or MS. They have stated this publicly before.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
You're right, it was a cheap shot and unnecessary, it was probably good wine, my bad
Ninja Scooter
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The fact that 2012 hardware is being compared to 2004/5 hardware is what is sad by itself. Even if it turns out that "You can compensate this doohicky and take some ram from here and some ram from there and it's 12% more powerful than a 360!", that's really fucking underpowered. It's the Wii all over again. That's not necessarily a bad thing, people need to come to grips with that and then we can all move on.
No need to wait that long, just take a look at Star Wars 1313 footage.
Honestly Im not into pc gaming.
the Wii U tablet has some features that dont really work on PC and Nintendo has IPs that only play on PC through emulation.
The other two consoles this probably holds true.
Did anyone expect Last Light to come to Wii U in the first place? I certainly didn't.
They have more things to worry about. Mainly, Last Light selling worth a damn on the platforms its coming out on. It's supposed to hit March 2013 which puts it smack-dab in the middle of some heavy hitters. Less time worrying about Wii U and more time hoping your game sells.
They have more things to worry about. Mainly, Last Light selling worth a damn on the platforms its coming out on. It's supposed to hit March 2013 which puts it smack-dab in the middle of some heavy hitters. Less time worrying about Wii U and more time hoping your game sells.
Ninja Scooter
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All of which completely misses the point.
Discomurf
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Here's a quote from Katsuhiro Harada from July...
OK I admit it... this is concerning, hopefully devs can find a work around...
“I think maybe the game is coming along smoother than most people would think, as far as the look of the game. As far as graphical processing and such, it’s not much of an issue. But as far as the CPU goes, the clock is kinda low. I guess they’re trying to keep power consumption down so we have to come up with creative ways to get around that and that’s taking a little bit of time.”
Harada was then asked if the CPU is lower than that of the Xbox or PS3.
He responded:
“Maybe a little bit. For example on PS3 it was kind of difficult at first, but if you made good use of the different cores, you could split up the processing tasks and you could achieve very good effects. But this is kind of a different issue than that.”
-Katsuhiro Harada, Tekken series producer
OK I admit it... this is concerning, hopefully devs can find a work around...
“I think maybe the game is coming along smoother than most people would think, as far as the look of the game. As far as graphical processing and such, it’s not much of an issue. But as far as the CPU goes, the clock is kinda low. I guess they’re trying to keep power consumption down so we have to come up with creative ways to get around that and that’s taking a little bit of time.”
Harada was then asked if the CPU is lower than that of the Xbox or PS3.
He responded:
“Maybe a little bit. For example on PS3 it was kind of difficult at first, but if you made good use of the different cores, you could split up the processing tasks and you could achieve very good effects. But this is kind of a different issue than that.”
-Katsuhiro Harada, Tekken series producer
mentalfloss
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lol - No I just prefer it when people who make important public statements are articulate.
this corroborates what another dev has said. truly disappointing ..
this is an example of talking out of one's ass. "exact" lol
Ninja Scooter
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respective to their competition. Meaning Wii
S3::WiiUS4. Not saying that Wii=Wii U power wise.Dreams-Visions
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Well said.
Isn't the Wii U CPU out of order? My understanding is you can't just compare the clockrate of in order and out of order CPU's 1:1 so even if that information comes out it won't be as simple as which number is higher. It's not going to be spectacular but as a console it's undoubtedly capable of PS360 levels, look no further than the Pikman portion of Nintendo Land. I don't doubt the difficulty but if Wii U is running Blops 2 as well as it is for me there's no reason to suspect other PS360 games would be impossible.
I'm disappointed Nintendo didn't try to be a little more future proof but some of the doom and gloom seems overly pessimistic.
I'm disappointed Nintendo didn't try to be a little more future proof but some of the doom and gloom seems overly pessimistic.
soulassssns
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Because Metro is a huge system seller right????
Nintendo's taking a loss on Wii-U at the moment, and they've managed to release competent, efficient and competitive hardware every generation minus the Wii (and now Wii-U too, I gues), so I have very little reason to believe they couldn't have made an actual, next gen. system that went toe-to-toe with PS4/X720.
I agree with your the rest of your post though.
No one is comparing clockrates!
And BTW, Metro 2033 ran well on even low end systems like my 2Ghz C2D laptop with a Nvidia 9800m.
Ninja Scooter
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I was under the impression that they were most likely only taking a loss in North America due to the Yen/Dollar thing, but I could be wrong. If that's the case, they should be hitting a profit sooner than later, no?
TAS
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Oh really pumpkin? Who are you..the Internet police? Go drink a nice warm cup of STFU. I'm done talking to you.
I think the most entertaining thing about this whole WiiU launch situation is the personal umberage Gahiggidy seems to be taking (in this and other threads) at even the possibility that WiiU might not be as powerful as PS4/720 (or whatever we're calling the next Xbox nowadays) much less the PS3/360. It's like he's physically incapable of buying anything but a Nintendo console and therefore is anguished in his soul that there are other machines out there that might play games that look better than WiiU's library and that WiiU might possibly not get as good 3rd party porting support as originally anticipated.
there is no doom and gloom, nobody thinks nintendo is going out of business. In fact, many think that they will make a fair amount of money off the wii u.
Some people are just trying to tell other people that the wii u almost certainly has really cheap, weak parts (for 2012) in the main console that will likely mean a repeat of the wii situation wrt 3rd party games. thats all.
Baconsammy
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I'm jealous of anyone getting 3 hours from the gamepad. I get 2.5 hours maximum when I'm streaming my games to it. I'd probably get more if I played on the TV, but I feel like using its unique features now. Definitely is in need of a bigger/better battery.
Thunder Monkey
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Confluence of the two actually.
Meager (and when I say meager I mean like a few dollars) of losses on the hardware itself, and the exchange rate. The exchange rate is much more likely to slow profitability than the cost of manufacturing.
Both of you should calm down actually.
He's being an idiot, and you're being a jackass.
Actually, now that you mention it, I've heard the exchange rate thing being thrown around too, so you might be right on that.
Yeah yeah, the point is the CPU is slower. Okay. Now what? Either work around it/with it/whatever or ignore it and develop for another system. Or get a PC. =)
Hopefully there will be third party battery attachments/expanders to increase the battery life.
Still undecided if I should try to get one on launch (EU). Will buy one for Bayo 2 eventually though.
ThoseDeafMutes
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What is so shocking about all this is that building a relatively cheap console that would be undeniably superior in every respect to PS360 was not out of the question, but instead they decided to have it draw ridiculously low amounts of power and have a tiny form factor. These are sort of noble ambitions, but they had absolutely nothing to do with why the Wii succeeded so it's stunning that Nintendo chose them over the alternative, particularly when they were aware of problems it may cause with third parties. Nobody would have complained if the WiiU drew 60 watts during gameplay instead of 30 - it would still be lower than the revised "slim" versions of the PS3 and 360, and would have allowed a beefier CPU and better memory.
My surprise with the WiiU launch isn't that Nintendo didn't make a powerhouse, but that Nintendo has done what seemed unthinkable recently - made something that is worse in several respects to the old competition. It made sense with the Wii because of it's relationship with the GC (eg no radical architectural changes), but this time they've got a whole bunch of new stuff, but still gimped themselves technically anyway.
Yeah, I'm waiting too for the inevitable 3ds-like price cut and/or Super Mario Galaxy 3. Buying this at $199 would be an easy thing to do.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Barack Lesnar
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Selling at a loss could mean just barely selling at a loss, it's not necessarily the $200-300 loss the launch 360s and PS3s were taking. Selling at a 50 dollar loss, for example, would be nothing compared to the other consoles.
you use words of bewilderment but speak in a tone of condescension. which is it?
I am not being a jackass,.
He just does not understand that attacking experts and saying they have an agenda when they say something he personally does not like, bar the fact he has no knowledge in the expert's field (and has no proof of said agenda) , is not ok!
Thunder Monkey
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Even at their worst Nintendo reportedly lost at max of $10 per home console in the GCN. Since then only the 3DS has had larger losses.
You can still be a jackass and right you know?
br0ken_shad0w
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Wow at the people hating on Metro. It doesn't even have fucking multiplayer and it's being called generic and "dudebro"? Amazing.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Yup. But they're not Apple.
They have this form over function problem and don't benefit from massive cultural zeitgeist-dom like Apple.
We all knew it wouldn't be that impressive, regardless. Even if it were on par with the 360 it would still suffer from the added workload from the tablet.
Seriously. You could pair really cheap modern hardware for the cheap and get 3x 360.
I wonder if Intel i5 3xxx's onboard video beats Wii U.
Edit: Yup, probably. And that's just lazily putting a $190 all in one part on a board.
dude, if it's not Ninty, it's gotta be dudebro, bro
Why are people so hung up on this?
The WiiU will be capable of unique experiences different from the other consoles.
It was the same way with Wii.
If you want those unique experiences then buy the WiiU.
If you want more traditional experiences look elsewhere.
It has become this never ending circle where Nintendo fans are given a very fun and unique gameplay opportunity with the new system but they are too worried about how the system will look to a group of gamers that will never be satisfied with a Nintendo console to begin with.
Quit worrying about sales or whether the system can run ports of games the PC can ultimately do best anyway and just enjoy the really neat things WiiU is able to do.
It is what it is. You know what youre going to get with it. You know what you wont get with it.
The WiiU will be capable of unique experiences different from the other consoles.
It was the same way with Wii.
If you want those unique experiences then buy the WiiU.
If you want more traditional experiences look elsewhere.
It has become this never ending circle where Nintendo fans are given a very fun and unique gameplay opportunity with the new system but they are too worried about how the system will look to a group of gamers that will never be satisfied with a Nintendo console to begin with.
Quit worrying about sales or whether the system can run ports of games the PC can ultimately do best anyway and just enjoy the really neat things WiiU is able to do.
It is what it is. You know what youre going to get with it. You know what you wont get with it.
Depending on the sales performance of the system, a price drop could be far off but I don't hope so since I don't want to pay that much money this hardware.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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If my options are similar, but one offers a better experience (in this case, graphical) for a slightly higher price tag, most people would take the second option if they can afford it.
Whoa, wait, for real?? I haven't heard this bit of news, this is actually more concerning to me. I don't play alot in short bursts, usually I have 1 day to really play console games and I pick one and pretty much play it all day. This is not good at all. I really dislike my Sony Wireless headset for a similar short battery life with no convenient way to charge it while using and a long charge time.
Pyrrhus
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Man, that gamepad battery life is atrocious. I'm kind of hoping this goes badly for them. It's the only way they're going quit being so goddamn cheap with their components.
Somebody said they're not competing with the other consoles, they're competing with iOS Android. That may be what they aspire to, but it's not reality. I don't know of any $60 phone or tablet games.
Things aren't going to repeat themselves this cycle. The people they abandoned their old audience to serve have now abandoned them for cheaper (much cheaper) games on multipurpose devices.
Somebody said they're not competing with the other consoles, they're competing with iOS Android. That may be what they aspire to, but it's not reality. I don't know of any $60 phone or tablet games.
Things aren't going to repeat themselves this cycle. The people they abandoned their old audience to serve have now abandoned them for cheaper (much cheaper) games on multipurpose devices.
robertlebrone
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Preach! Take us to church!