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How fast do you think it takes to make a console
Dictator93
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in very rare borderline cases... or vector math...
But seriously... with their image quality and resolution I can hardly say Galaxy 1 and 2 look amazing. The artstyle is completely hampered by bad image quality. Thankfully dolphin exists.
I mean, hell, look at durante souls. A game whose artstyle looks only OK in low res jaggy town and looks god like with real image quality.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Nintendo would not have changed a thing if they knew the specs of the upcoming competitors, they just don't work like that.
They have said as much many times themselves, they looked at the Wii and improved on it and that was that. They are very single-minded on that front and openly honest about it.
Well it's weird to think Nintendo would do "hmm so those are the 720 specs...Lets make the Wii U weaker and harder to make multiplats"
And as another example I'm pretty sure Nintendo wouldn't want another Wii situation.
It takes a long time to settle every for consoles, it doesn't take only a year.
That's exactly what Nintendo did. Trust me, they definitely have a decent idea of what the next Xbox/ps4 specs will look like.
Nintendo 100% does not give a shit about anybody but Nintendo. They design their hardware cheaply with their own ideas in mind, 3rd parties can go fuck themselves. They do not care. The PS4 and 720 could have dropped a year before the WiiU and it would still be an underpowered, half baked piece of hardware.
I think Nintendo does care, they do care about third party's and if it hurts sales Nintendo will do what they will have to, they are very stubborn at times but if it's towards sales they will do what the competition will do.
If they do then nobody should worry about the Wii U, didn't Iwata say the PS4/720 won't be that much more powerful then the Wii U after all?
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...aphics-wont-be-drastically-better-than-wii-u/
This is pretty much it. Nintendo consoles are designed to sell Nintendo games. Third parties can come along for the ride if they want, but they won't have any major influence on how the system is designed or how releases are planned, advertised, and released. If that is what they are trying to do with the WiiU, their inexperience is showing.
Joe Molotov
Member
You think Nintendo was trying to match up with the 720/PS4, and the Wii U was the result? lol
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I know rite, anyone would think Iwata had some kind of vested interest that would require him to downplay the competition, who'd would have thought that would happen?
Not caring about what they do tech wise is not the same as caring about whether they are in competition for gamers funds.
Dude. Cmooon what is Iwata supposed to say?
No, I just don't think Nintendo would limit themselves like the Wii.
That's what I think though.
He did a,so say this
He said the difference won't be as big as wii-ps3 that's all,it can still and likely will be pretty big.
H_Prestige
Banned
They don't care about the system specs. With the Wii U they did enough to have BC and check the HD box while staying at 30W. They focus on the gimmick. They made mad money off the wii remote and they hope to reproduce the same effect with the gamepad.
He doesn't have a clue what Sony and MS will have. He's just speculating.
And really all your posts are just wishful thinking.
How can you think this, when the system has already released and all evidence points to the contrary?
It might just be wishful thinking, but I'm not setting the Wii U to be doomed for the next 6 years like some people are.
But it's not limited, the Wii U is a huge improvement over the Wii, and Nintendo among third party's have much more room to work with then the Wii, the Wii U obviously isn't a massive jump over the 360/PS3 but it can still do stuff the 360/PS3 can't, since it does have more modern architecture and more up to date GPU.
Dictator93
Member
If it's a legitimate disappointment, Nintendo has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
He probably does have a clue, actually. I think everyone that high up in the industry knows very well what all his competitors are planning to do.
I don't think it's doomed. Just that its underpowered. I think it will sell fine.
I mean third party wise.
There it's doomed. Iook at the launch situation.
I doubt that. Unless Sony and MS entered into high level talks to make sure that their consoles were similarly speced.
Otherwise, the specs are only known to a few people, and it would be a pretty massive breach if competitors were to know what each others plans are. The only people who know besides the actual team are the major graphics developers like Crytek, DICE, and so on.
The Redmond campus of Microsoft has locked down the Xbox area for the last few months with tight security. They don't even want their own employees to know what's going on.
The Wii U third party wise launch is already a huge improvement over the Wii, and you should know launches never show the future of the console.
Example the PS3.
I think the only technology imperative for Nintendo this generation was to design a console that can push 720p graphics at the UE3 level. They're hoping that having HD graphics will blur the differences enough between them and the competition and the public won't notice.
We'll find out if they're right soon.
We'll find out if they're right soon.
Boss Man
Member
It's not doomed, I don't think any Nintendo console will be. It probably won't sell like the Wii did (which isn't really saying a lot), but I think it's going to turn out to be a very nice console to own.
It'll suffer the same lack of multiplatform support in a year or two though. And having the "opinion" that PS4/720 are going to somehow have weaker CPUs than this generation is definitely wishful thinking.
H_Prestige
Banned
You mean the console that was announced with FFXIII, Versus XIII, MGS4, DMC4, RE5, and much more implied support from third party?
I mean, were you actually surprised the ps3 got the support it ended up with? Because it was announced before day one.
Well,the games will tell the story
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
no one is saying the wiiU is doomed, they're saying wiiU's 3rd party support is doomed and shaping up to be another n64/gc/wii situation. a few handful exclusives (if they remain exclusives at all) and sloppy seconds from big franchises. that's far from doomed, as we can see from the wii.
people are pointing out, and rightfully so, that most major 2013 releases have no wiiU versions. you claim wishful thinking, other posters are just trying to ignore the issue by telling us "wiiU is fun, i don't care" and everyone else is saying "yap, looks like regular old nintendo".
3rd party sided with sony during the ps1 and ps2 days, and sticked to ps360 this generation. By releasing a console that seems to be marginally better than 360 a year or so before microsoft and sony launch their next boxes will put nintendo at a technological disadvantage in a short period of time. expect both microsoft and sony's online services to completely blow nintendo out of the water too, if anything else because they're not associating purchases with a specific console instead of a network account (seriously, how the hell people can even accept something like that in 2012?). expect big 3rd party franchises for both unannounced platforms, because 3rd parties have already shown they want to stick to familiar territory.
just look at all the sings... EA's relationship with nintendo somehow turned out sour this past year, they announced a metro game that is in fact not even coming out for the wiiU, gta5 is not even coming out for the thing, and a lot of other stuff...imo, the writing is on the wall.
just expect people with different opinions about the value of that 271.13 (271.13 ($350)) nintendo box.
Always-honest
Banned
I think people can buy one out of three other options for that: xbox720, ps4 or pc.
If you are only able to buy only one console and choose the Nintendo console: you obviously prefer Nintendo games. Nothing wrong with that, have fun.
It's clear Nintendo does not do a god damn thing to accommadate third party dev. Studios.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
WHAT?
NES came before the Master System. The NES had such a huge graphic jump from previous consoles, it's what made it so big.
The SNES was superior to the Genesis graphically in nearly every way & the SEGA CD which came long later, still wasn't able to fully outdo what the SNES was already capable (DKC, Mario RPG etc).
The N64 SMOKED the PSX & Saturn in graphic capabilities. Games like Zelda OOT & Perfect Dark were flat out impossible to do on those others systems.
GC was their first console to not be the powerhouse that gen.
Even then it could easily trade punches with the ps2 atleast. The wii was in a league of its own, and from the looks of it wii u as well :/
I know it's not much but the Wii U has Bayonetta 2, Monster Hunter 3G, Dragon Quest X (not counting the 3DS/Wii versions) as an exclusive among games we'll also find out in the future.
I'd say the GameCube was a powerhouse, it was more powerful then the PS2 and almost as powerful as the Xbox, it was also much more powerful then the N64.
Nintendo would have known that competitors would be making a machine MUCH more powerful than the one they are creating. They didn't change tack at all.
Dude, you're too invested in this. You're making baseless statements. Calm down a bit. Take a chill pill, and look at the last page of this thread. Look at your posts and tell me what you think.
Edit: I just quoted this so I can reply to you, not to this specific comment.
They'll probably be weaker in some ways, actually (for example, vectorized code). And probably stronger in others (for example, general purpose code).
The limited cartridge memory and muddy blur ensured that the N64 did NOT "smoke" the PSX and even the Saturn (at times) visually. Never mind framerates...
Corporate espionage. Nintendo Ninjas. Chloe uploading schematics to Jack Bauer's Wii U Gamepad via the Nintendo Land tower and satlink.. This sounds like the basis for a great video game.
What are you smoking?
Saturn games...even the likes of VF2 looked like ass compared to PSX and N64 games!
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
But it is like the Xbox struggling to run Half-Life 2, with the PS2 not being able to do so.
chertipros
Member
How does the lead programmer at DICE not have a Wii U devkit? EA were one of the first companies to receive them
Best console available right now.
Problem is I expect it to be obsolete as soon as another console is released. Another generation of sub-par hardware is destined for another dodgy round of 3rd party support. Good luck Nintendo, but I think it's going to be short timeframe for good sales. I can wait for a console that will have proper support.
Problem is I expect it to be obsolete as soon as another console is released. Another generation of sub-par hardware is destined for another dodgy round of 3rd party support. Good luck Nintendo, but I think it's going to be short timeframe for good sales. I can wait for a console that will have proper support.
Longer than a curtain.
Can you explain your reasoning behind "best console available right now"? It's okay if you think that, but why?
chertipros
Member
He means power wise
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Holy shit wrong thread
Weren't you the one who tried to make this claim before just for a developer to come out and say the GPU in the xbox was ~3 times faster?
It was not almost as powerful as the xbox, but you'll continue to believe otherwise.
Also your other posts here have been hilarious. You're going to be in a rude awaking over the next year IMO.
The best is not just the one that has the most power, else everyone would just be gaming on PC's. Thought they probably should just go ahead and do that anyway.
Seems delusional. Don't expect reality or facts will change his/her mind.
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