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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]
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Panajev2001a
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Generally, unless the OOOE design has some weird issues (which it might have), the core that needs more optimization is the in order one where the programmer and or the compiler must work his/her/its magic to prevent stalls, hide latencies, and extract instruction level and thread level parallelism to keep execution units fed. OOOE should make programming easier not more complex generally.
Backfoggen
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Twitter and AMD customer service (lmfao) were wrong who would've guessed that.
The whole super computer CPU stuff was ridiculous from the beginning and I can't believe people actually believed that.
I think what he means is worse than the worst case scenario perceived during rumorbrewing and general pre-launch period, which is true.
Nobody expected it to be worse than current-gen consoles in so many ways. People who posted that were laughed at and called trolls. The worst case scenario at that point was equal to current-gen, and yet...
Selling less systems over a longer period of time, with huge losses > Selling more systems in a shorter period of time, with profits from day one?
Nintendo most definitely learned from the Wii era, if anything.
fixed.
Exactly. Next gen engines are very scalable and will have no trouble running on Wii U.
zomgbbqftw
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LOLOLOL, so desperate.
Best of both worlds indeed
Not to mention I've read more than one developer comment how working around in-order chips actually benefited performance on other (PC/OoOE) CPUs.
Majmun
Member
It's not a race, but a marathon. Wii's popularity spike was high, but the drop was big too. The Wii has been pretty irrelevant since 2010 or so, while their competitors are still very popular.
How is that good for business? Especially when it comes to business partners such as 3rd party developers?
Wii U is weak, I agree, but this reads off like a kid throwing a tantrum, or a guy at work pissed because his boss tells him to do something that he doesn't like. If other devs can learn to work with and around the CPU then why can't you?
With that said, Nintendo is kicking themselves in balls for using 'different' hardware.
Wasn't the CPU weak because the hardware was built so that the GPGPU and DSP can handle tasks that the CPU normally would?
With that said, Nintendo is kicking themselves in balls for using 'different' hardware.
Wasn't the CPU weak because the hardware was built so that the GPGPU and DSP can handle tasks that the CPU normally would?
Actually I think it was ghost recon that subsided the Xbox 1.5 nonsense. It was also the game that really started the rrod phenom. I know my system would majorly start acting weird within a few hours of playing ghost recon.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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No one said graphics don't matter(at least I never have), it's about priorities and standards.
In this day and age, every system is very capable, games aren't magically going to be better because they are on better than very good technology.
Most people want great looking and playing and very inventive games.
Just because a developer here and there isn't happy with the tech(some are more enwrapped with raw specs than others----not a slam on them) doesn't mean great looking, playing and ingenius games won't be made.
And I'm not even just talking about Nintendo.
Should you ever buy a modern Nintendo system for multiplatform gaming???
Ummmm, of course not.
Which dev has praised the cpu?
It's not an opposite opinion if one dev praises the gpu or other parts. Praising the whole system is kinda self-contradictory then. But what do you expect from devs which want to sell their games on the system? Saying the cpu is horrible and slow publicly needs balls and it could be argued that saying it is dumb.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Ah, good post. You're right.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Yeah credit to that OnQ guy, he had it right when he said souped up Broadway x 3. I suppose no one could believe that Nintendo would cheap out that much.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I think it's the same situation the Wii saw, maybe even more drastic if the novelty of the tablet doesn't interest the public. The Wii might have lasted 6 years on paper, but I think the majority of support dried up a couple years ago. You see stuff like Xenoblade or Nintendo published stuff every once in awhile, but it felt like developers abandoned ship a long time ago.
It's hard to tell what will catch fire with consumers. In this economy, I wouldn't expect much. Especially since it doesn't differentiate itself that much from the Wii, for some people. Let alone existing consoles.
With your permission, I'll use this quote in every opportunity.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
So people should buy a Wii U knowing it will have a premature death due the lack of support?
That sounds exciting.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
So who's CPU is slower? The Wii U or the PC each member here is using?
Magius needs to know.
Magius needs to know.
My understanding is that OoOE can make programming more foolproof, but in order to take full advantage of it you need to take it into account when writing code. I could be wrong though.
I'm bored of developers talking about the Wii U's power based on how well their ports run. This is why I don't buy 3rd party games on Nintendo systems, they are the laziest most uncreative people on the planet the second you ask them to develop for a Nintendo platform. Seriously were Factor 5 the only ones who actually gave a shit?
Heavy doesn't care about video games. He wants video graphics, even if they're largely non-interactive and expensive enough to tank the industry. Luckily, it looks like he might get his wish!
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Nintendo and doomed, it just isn't the smartest thing in the world to assume.
Thye already have formed relationships with topnotch developers(so far exclusively) and their system just came out.
Wii still made more money, in less time, with no losses. In comparison, PS3 just recently-ish started making money and will most likely never pass Wii's numbers. No company would like a PS3 repeat over a Wii repeat.
I still don't understand what the point of the Wii U existing. With the Wii I understood it that they put motion controls in the forefront. But with the Wii U it's like releasing a 360 in 2012, the gamepad barely is a gamechanger, in fact it is more of a hassle as it makes things more expensive and battery doesn't last as long.
So this is basically what the Wii U is
- worse online than PSN and XBL
- worse multiplatform ports than PS3/360, hell many big multiplats are still notcoming GTA5, Bioshock, Tomb Raider, MGS and etc
- added Gamepad which ain't really a gamechanger, mainly used for maps texting and etc, I'd rather do that on the TV than waste battery life of the controller for an extra screen
So what is the point of Wii U, oh right HD Nintendo games, but we really should have gotten that last gen. I really think the Wii U will stumble, it will probably do slightly worse than GameCube. Of course Nintendo fans will buy it. Majority of gamers will stick with PS3/360 and move to their successors. And I doubt Wii U can be saved by the casuals like the Wii did, motion gaming appeal was far to much of a huge i hit with Wii and I don't think whis Wii U pad will come anywhere near that.
So this is basically what the Wii U is
- worse online than PSN and XBL
- worse multiplatform ports than PS3/360, hell many big multiplats are still notcoming GTA5, Bioshock, Tomb Raider, MGS and etc
- added Gamepad which ain't really a gamechanger, mainly used for maps texting and etc, I'd rather do that on the TV than waste battery life of the controller for an extra screen
So what is the point of Wii U, oh right HD Nintendo games, but we really should have gotten that last gen. I really think the Wii U will stumble, it will probably do slightly worse than GameCube. Of course Nintendo fans will buy it. Majority of gamers will stick with PS3/360 and move to their successors. And I doubt Wii U can be saved by the casuals like the Wii did, motion gaming appeal was far to much of a huge i hit with Wii and I don't think whis Wii U pad will come anywhere near that.
CadetMahoney
Member
I never expected it to be a port machine anyway. There where some signs but really you know it wasn't going to be that.
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oh dear.
Represent.
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oh dear.
phosphor112
Banned
New news, new thread is fun though.
This...
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Can someone explain in layman's terms what does Out-of-Order-Execution means?
Syphon Filter
Member
shots fired.geting that next gen feel again where consoles release and articles pop up.ish gon get real next year.
Sexually Aggressive Uncle
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Relaxed Muscle
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Not doomed, but a lot of people didn't liked the lack of 3rd party and multiplatform games on their console so being the same with Wii U how they should accept that?
And the Wii had too a few exlusivities too, and it didn't help.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If people haven't yet figured out that this is the path Nintendo has decided to take, they need to get a clue and realize it today.
This system isn't built for people who hang out on GAF. It's not built for PC gamers. It's not built for the people who care about graphics. It's not built for the hardcore (regardless of what Nintendo tried to pretend this past year).
It's built for the Nintendo fan and the casual fan. Their desire is to bring those people into gaming. If that mindset ruins their company, so be it. It worked for them with the Wii and obviously they think it is going to happen again.
Let's not keep pretending that we didn't think this was going to happen.
This system isn't built for people who hang out on GAF. It's not built for PC gamers. It's not built for the people who care about graphics. It's not built for the hardcore (regardless of what Nintendo tried to pretend this past year).
It's built for the Nintendo fan and the casual fan. Their desire is to bring those people into gaming. If that mindset ruins their company, so be it. It worked for them with the Wii and obviously they think it is going to happen again.
Let's not keep pretending that we didn't think this was going to happen.
This is really not going to happen.
I myself can see it lagging behind PS4 and NextBox, but it won't be Nintendo's worst selling home console ever. GameCube was stomped by a gargantuan PS2 and was the successor for the already not-too-successful N64.
We'll see about that, the CPU being underpowered can be a significant problem for some games. Scaling graphics is a lot easier than scaling physics or other operations that require a lot of number crunching.
Its better than direct x 10, its direct x 10 equivalent
But people calling the Wii U worse than current-gen were trolls (unless they actualy had inside information ofcourse).
I bet even the trolls themselves are surprised their hyperbole turned out to be true. :lol:
MOTHER OF GOD
I NEED SCISSORS
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Ah, the Sony Defence Force logic at play. If all else fails: "lazy devs"
I feel all nostalgic right now.
I feel all nostalgic right now.
You'll need to actually sit down and play one. It might be hard to get across in ads and even store demos but it seriously changes the way you think consoles should work.
You should buy it when you deem that the current library is worth the price of entry. That's my criteria for console buying anyway.
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