Recommending a RPG as an alternative to a FPS... You really have no idea what you are talking about.
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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]
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Recommending a RPG as an alternative to a FPS... You really have no idea what you are talking about.
Tricky I Shadow
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Good to see Nintendo deservedly getting slammed.
TreasureHunterG
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Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Yeah, well.. I like to see these critics do it to Nintendo's face.
I'd bet the majority of their target audience doesn't give a fuck about their thoughts on the Wii U.
Dynasty Warriors producer Akihiro Suzuki said the CPU is weaker than 360/PS3
Source: http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/21/wii...ul-than-xbox-360-ps3-causes-challenges-tecmo/
I'm siding with 4A.
Poimandres
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They also said in realtion to Borderlands 2:
"Were super excited for the Playstation version. We have lots of people in house that are big Playstation fans and want to make sure that our Playstation customers are well taken care of. So yeah we tackled all that stuff and its certainly on par with all the other platforms."
- Paul Hellquist, Gearbox Software
http://n4g.com/news/1083816/gearbox...performance-of-borderlands-2-on-playstation-3
And, uh, it certainly wasn't on par with the other platforms. Who to believe?
chertipros
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No they said they would try porting it. They ended up trying to do it for a brothers in arms game and they couldn't.
The Mana Legend
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Deservedly? How? Because they aren't the ones idiotic enough to sell a console for $599 and STILL lose money on each console sold?
mentalfloss
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Just recommending a better first person apocalyptic themed game.
Go with Stalker if it makes you feel better.
TAS
Member
Excuse me..but who the fuck are you to tell me what right I have to do anything? It's a free country. GET OVER IT.
Officerrob
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I'll just leave this for you:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-u-with-the-developer-of-a-wii-u-launch-title
MarshMellow96
Member
Well Sony paid a price for Blu-ray which Nintendo is now using.
what Nintendo is using some other format.
Ha well, I completely disagree with you (comparing apples to oranges), let's leave it at that.
I want more CPU
Nintendo.
A CPU that is half as powerful lasts twice as long.
He has a point, developers are not gods. They don't know everything, they can get things wrong and they have their biases.
I'm not saying he has an agenda against Nintendo or that the CPU is strong, at this point it's pretty much known that it's clocked lower than the 360. What I'm saying is that what I extract from what he said is that they had a look into the hardware, (not an in-depth look) and saw a system that doesn't have the raw numbers the others have and needs to be worked with in specific way to get the best results (GC rings a bell).
There's no install base, no guarantee that it sells and it would be troublesome to develop, so they chose not to do it. Saying it has a "horrible, slow CPU" is probably an exaggeration that stems from the fact that he's a tech minded person that usually places a lot of importance on these raw numbers, so seeing a 2012 system come out with "low" clockspeeds, low bandwidth DRAM and whatnot obviously guarantees this reaction. A reaction that doesn't tell the whole story and doesn't change anything.
This isn't on him though, it's on Nintendo. Whether or not using its different architecture (and make no mistake all the trolls trying to make fun of this are off their rockers, the architecture is different and needs to be well used to shine) efficiently shows significantly better results than what can be achieved on last generation, history shows that most developers don't want/know how to work with different hardware (hello again GC, maybe even PS3) and this will lead to a bad reception from the devs and community.
But it's easier to just react with unbridled stupidity, so I'm prepared for derivatives of "LOL FANBOY/denial/damage control" posts.
LOL.
Exodus5 said that it doesn't matter to him because he was only getting Nintendo games. I disagree. Not because I intended to play 3rd party games much, but because I want to play Nintendo games with 2011 tech. Great games run on hardware, and I want gameplay for stuff like Zelda that isn't corridors.
I know this isn't popular with the currently in progress disillusioned people, but it's clear to me that Wii U is ~0.75 a 360. Extra RAM could help with load times, but other than that, it's choking on it.
By the time the next Nintendo console comes out that maybe might push tech, I'll likely be a father that won't have time for these sorts of things, until another console cycle when I can watch my future kids play.
I thought Blu-ray discs were 25GB too?
Barack Lesnar
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This is at least the second time we've heard it. The Dynasty Warriors guy recently mentioned it on the record.
Please add a NSFW warning for those of us eating dinner while reading the thread.
I think it's a proprietary disc that's based on blu-ray technology?
mentalfloss
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None of that indicates the CPU is horribly slow - just a challenge.
And considering the casual observer won't notice the difference, I wouldn't put much stock into what a douchey dev says.
Good god the selection bias and cognitive dissonance is strong. I hope none of you are professionally scientists. The data so far highly suggests that Wii U is weak. It's not 100% confirmed, but finding quotes from other devs saying something positive does not undo the massive fail that is DDR3 1600 MHz.
"Douchy"? Really now? This is what we have come to?
It would almost be an improvement to go back to meaninglessly bashing their game output.
Moral Panic
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A slow CPU does limit you a lot, but if the console has a good GPU like rumoured it should still be able to put out better graphics than the current gen consoles. Especially since people keep talking about the GPGPU features. The limited bandwidth on the ram will also be a bottleneck.
Both of these will limit what developers can do with the hardware, but if the stars align right, you target your code to the system's strengths and mitigate it's weaknesses (assuming the 32mb edram is crazy fast) then we'll see some gems on the platform.
Both of these will limit what developers can do with the hardware, but if the stars align right, you target your code to the system's strengths and mitigate it's weaknesses (assuming the 32mb edram is crazy fast) then we'll see some gems on the platform.
Thunder Monkey
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Including this dev I can count three times a dev just out and out said the CPU was lacking.
Glorified G
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smh. fanboys really do suck.
Haha, oh wow. Calm the fuck down guys, yeesh.
The CPU is made on the 45nm process (confirmed by IBM), the same as some other low end CPUS like the Intel Atom n270, the die size for the WiiU CPU is only a few square nm bigger than it.
The Atom gets massively out classed by the Intel P4 (by about 2x), which at the same clock speed, the xenon is 1.5x faster than.
TUROK
Member
Fucking lol.
Hardware isn't slow anymore, guys. It's just challenging.
We can finally stop improving hardware, after all, higher clock speeds are less challenging to get results out of, and developers would be lazy to develop for the less challenging hardware.
mentalfloss
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The Dynasty Warriors dev put it accurately while the Metro dev indulged in some douchey hyperbole.
I disagree. The RAM and CPU is slower, and the shared memory pool for video is going to choke the GPU. You might get some competitive games built ground up, but nothing amazing, especially considering those games would hit market at late 2013 at earliest.
Officerrob
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The 360 is seven years old and the CPU in it is still faster then the one in the Wii U. Seven years is an eternity in tech. If you can't outclass a seven year old product, you are horribly slow. Good job calling him "douchey" though, considering he has more information on the subject then you and you just don't happen to like what he said.
The best solution is buy a PC, join us and live like Kings
Ninja Scooter
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There was never any doubt that the Wii and Wii U were going to be on the exact same technical level respective to their competition. The only difference is that when the Wii launched, the 360 was already out and the PS3 alongside it, so it made it look worse in comparison. The same thing will happen when the first gen PS4/NExtbox stuff comes out makes it very clear just how much of a leap it is from the Wii U. I honestly think there is a sect of Nintendo fans set themselves up for disappointment, constantly thinking that the "This time" the old Nintendo that courts 3rd parties, and delivers state of the art hardware, is finally coming back. The Wii was just a way to make money, now that they have a massive war chest, we'll get the old SNES/NES era Nintendo back. It makes no sense. I have my gripes with the Wii U, but from a technical perspective they made the most logical move. They tried the arms race thing with Gamecube and it got them nowhere. They don't have the money to bleed on cutting edge, expensive hardware the way Sony and MS do. I never understood why people didn't expect them to use the exact same philosophy that made the Wii a huge success and translate that over to it's successor. Will the hardware drawbacks make it harder for them to get 3rd party support? Of course. But the 3rd party stuff has always just been lip service. They throw a bone every once in a while, like they did on Gamecube with the "Capcom 5", or like they did on Wii U by announcing and hyping up ports of CoD, Batman and AC3, but they are never going all out the way MS or Sony do. That's not their objective. What they want is to sell a ton of inexpensive hardware at (eventually) a profit, and sell 20 million copies of NSMB/Mario Kart/Wii Sports/ect...
Ah.. but they are small time compared to the devs behind Aliens Colonel Marines. They are the voice of truth in the sea of muddy lies. Obviously, these small time chums like devs behind metro and dynasty warriors have an agenda. They've been paid to do negative publicity against Nintendo. There is no way the CPU is "horrible" or "slow". They simply haven't looked far enough to see the potential of Nintendo's "balanced" approach CPU.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
mentalfloss
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Please forgive my brevity, I'm posting from my 360.
Poimandres
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Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
As I said last page, throwing the rattle out of the pram is all mentalfloss has at the moment.
Let him vent, his mother will probably be out of the shop with her cheap wine soon to wheel him home so she can drink herself into a slumber of tears at the failure of a child she has borne.
Teletraan1
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What an embarrassing post. Did you invent this cpu or something? It is the only way it makes any sense, even then yikes.
Good Job Bob
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So Nintendo's already lost one third-party developer, I'm sure many more will follow, and rightfully so.
TheGreyHulk
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The die size of the CPU looks extremely small and it's not even using cutting edge 28/22nm tech. It's using 45nm and the die size looks comparable to something you'd find in a netbook.
I don't believe that there is a powerful tri-core lurking underneath the Wii U hood. I believe it's a cheap CPU that isn't very strong at all.
I don't believe that there is a powerful tri-core lurking underneath the Wii U hood. I believe it's a cheap CPU that isn't very strong at all.