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MGM Sued over Two Films Missing from James Bond Box Set
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excelsiorlef
Member
My retort would be did you read the back of the box?
Snowybreak
Member
I mean, yeah they should have included them. I I bought a James Bond box set, I'd expect them.
But it's not like you're missing much.
But it's not like you're missing much.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
thoughts of an English class teaching the legal definitions of simple words is hilarious to me
"All does not mean all"
"every does not mean every"
"All does not mean all"
"every does not mean every"
NealMcCauley
Member
Great Bond movie titles though.
The judge enjoyed himself way too much writing that.
uncelestial
Member
Unclear on where that leaves the status of the suit. It's just narrowing the defendant list and one of the claims, I guess?
excelsiorlef
Member
I think the idea is all as in with continuity.
If Marvel released a box set saying all the Marvel movies that would be understood to mean the MCU movies and not the X-Men movies for example
Neither movie was made by the production company that did the mainline Bond series...
If Marvel released a box set saying all the Marvel movies that would be understood to mean the MCU movies and not the X-Men movies for example
Neither movie was made by the production company that did the mainline Bond series...
Count Dookkake
Member
But the box has literally every Bond flick.
Silvergun-Blue
Member
Can't really argue with that.
excelsiorlef
Member
And again the back of the box would literally list all the movies included so it's not a surprise.
Lonewulfeus
Member
That would be almost the same issue here, why not just say includes all Marvel Cinematic Universe movies instead of a blanket term meant to deceive?
seems like it's just saying "you can sue MGM and 20th Century Fox Entertainment specifically, but not the overarching parent companies"
If it says "Every movie ever containing Spiderman" and it included only Homecoming and Civil War, that's a lie. You can't put it on the consumer to know the production background of the movies.
pluginbaby121
Member
I get the complaint but they weren't even "official" EON movies. To me this would be like having all the MCU movies in a collection then being mad that the Raimi Spiderman movies aren't included
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CaviarMeths
Member
Uhhh...
Why would a reasonable person expect unofficial Bond films produced by a different studio to be included in the box set?
(yes I know MGM later acquired the distribution rights to both movies)
Why would a reasonable person expect unofficial Bond films produced by a different studio to be included in the box set?
(yes I know MGM later acquired the distribution rights to both movies)
SodiumBenzoate
Member
MGM didn't make Never say Never Again.....
But you'd have to know the name of every Bond movie to know which is missing. Something you wouldn't expect if it was supposed to have all.
good point
Mortimer Brewster
Member
Kevin McClory still trolling EON years after his death.
I believe this is the collection in question:
Obviously, "all" means all, but in my mind at least it's a little bit fuzzier because they also list the (wrong) count of "all" the movies. It's still misleading though.
The back of the box isn't on Amazon.
Obviously, "all" means all, but in my mind at least it's a little bit fuzzier because they also list the (wrong) count of "all" the movies. It's still misleading though.
The back of the box isn't on Amazon.
You wouldn't. You'd argue they aren't "James Bond" movies because they were produced by different production companies and are markedly different in meaningful respects (e.g. in tone -- Casino Royale is a comedy). As such, they exist outside of the collective perception of the James Bond "canon" and shouldn't have been expected to be included.
Whether or not that argument is compelling is another story.
Regardless, this suit is fundamentally silly and primarily exists so class counsel can bilk money out of MGM.
pluginbaby121
Member
If that is the collection I have the same one and all the movies are listed on the bottom
StrangeRoboMemory
Member
If I'm buying a Bond box set, I would not expect these unofficial films to be there.
If you're buying a complete Star Wars film set, would you expect to see the Ewok movies there? And in that case, those movies are technically official (but not canon, IIRC?).
If you're buying a complete Star Wars film set, would you expect to see the Ewok movies there? And in that case, those movies are technically official (but not canon, IIRC?).
GoldenEye 007
Member
Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again aren't exactly canon I don't think.
They are not part of the mainline James Bond series.
They are not part of the mainline James Bond series.
Prince of Space
Banned
I believe this is the collection in question:
Obviously, "all" means all, but in my mind at least it's a little bit fuzzier because they also list the (wrong) count of "all" the movies. It's still misleading though.
All 24 Bond films
It's really not. It's a box set that says it includes all of the James Bond films but doesn't actually include all of the James Bond films. If you're going to use "they're different in tone" as an excuse to say one film is a Bond film and another one isn't a Bond film then explain to me why the Craig films are included when they're pretty tonally different from the Roger Moore era
I believe this is the collection in question:
Obviously, "all" means all, but in my mind at least it's a little bit fuzzier because they also list the (wrong) count of "all" the movies. It's still misleading though.
The back of the box isn't on Amazon.
Yeah, come on. That is deceptive. If I didn't know better, i'd assume that is every single Bond film (24 being all of them) when instead 'all' would be 26 from the sound of it.
Betta Lines
Member
Ridiculous. Everybody knows the Niven Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again don't count due to the fact they are absolute shite
Never Say Never Again was about as standard a Bond movie as it gets, even going so far as to star Sean Connery during the Roger Moore era. Going by everyone talking about Casino Royale as being the odd one out, I'd say there's a reasonable argument that a normal person would expect it to be included.
Even if the "legal jibber jabber" is "these aren't actually Bond films?"
TheGameshark
Member
lol that judge must've been waiting his whole life to drop a pun like that.
Spiritual_Chaos
Banned
How the hell can you even sue for something like this...
(Never Say Never Again is more enjoyable than Thunderball though)
(Never Say Never Again is more enjoyable than Thunderball though)
Then why is Die Another Day included
Marty Chinn
Member
I'm curious. If it said "James Bond Complete Collection", is that equivalent in meaning to "All 24 Bond Films"?
GoldenEye 007
Member
It was a remake and was under different licensing/distribution agreements. It's not part of the main series. Same with Casino Royale - well not a remake, but not an MGM/Danjaq movie or part of the actual series.
No reasonable person would think those are part of the main series to be included in a box set like this.
excelsiorlef
Member
I believe this is the collection in question:
Obviously, "all" means all, but in my mind at least it's a little bit fuzzier because they also list the (wrong) count of "all" the movies. It's still misleading though.
The back of the box isn't on Amazon.
Well right off the bat Peter Sellers ain't on the cover so that should be a ain't that they aren't trying to deceive.
They are though. They are officially licensed and released Bond films both of which had expensive marketing campaigns advertising themselves as such.
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