And he created a monster who destroyed the lives of children.
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Michael Jackson apparently had a child pornography collection
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And he created a monster who destroyed the lives of children.
Psycho_Mantis
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Its hard to take some of you serious. The report clearly says otherwise and pictures of the books are explicit in such nature.
Goodbye
Dr. Feel Good
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I'm not sure why MJ is constantly compared to Cosby. Cosby had firm allegations from reputable sources that could pinpoint a place and time on where it happened and it often times checked out. MJ's accusers have always had alternative motives, and even those with the strongest evidence were debunked in court.
Obviously it's appropriate. If I believed that he was a pedophile I would delete anything related to him from my personal belongings. He may be weird or even sick if you want to call him that.but the facts speak for themselves and I'm happy to see the others bring it up to light once again.
freenudemacusers
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Wow so now you can't have art with kids who happen to be naked without it being weird?! The human form is nothing to be ashamed of.
Yeah, you'd have to have a warped view of adolescence and sexuality to not only be a pedophile but also see nothing shameful in sharing your bed with kids.
The denial is real. 'People are presenting evidence contrary to my narrow beliefs therefore I'll put them on the ignore list'. People can't face facts when they're right in front of them.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I am defending MJ... please add me to the list.
Heckler456
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I think his point is that it was decided that this was "art", or otherwise "legal" in the court case or something, seeing as MJ wasn't found guilty. Which, you know, if this evidence was as damning as some here are implying it to be, then I don't see how they could have decide not to lock this guy up. Unless you're taking the conspiracy route.
Anyway, those pictures are disgusting, but on the other hand, I think I remember hearing that photographing underage nudity is legal in some cases, so yeah, I don't know what to make of this, other than that MJ was a weird and disgusting, but more importantly troubled person.
Additionally, the report includes some incredibly misleading statements like referring to "photos of young boys" when it's actually just the Jackson 5.
This is a tabloid attack timed to help Wade Robson's case.
Please add me to that list. MJ's always been innocent.
I think so? I'm not 100% sure, but it looks like the old stuff we already knew about with a tabloid spin to it.
As if to illustrate how profoundly little you understand even the concept of child molestation, you believe that the fact someone states on the record they want to help children and does good things for causes related to sick or underprivileged children that it means he can't be or "look" like a child molester. That you watch a video of a guy spending Christmas with kids and think "sure looks fine to me, no way he can molest kids!" It's utterly absurd. There are endless cases where people are shocked they find out someone is a child molester because - wow! - this guy or that guy dedicated his life to teaching kids or helping kids or treating sick kids.
Child Molesters are everyone - from the most philanthropic child helper to the most self-evidently depraved asshole around - and there is no identifying feature that qualifies or disqualifies someone as being a molester.
Whether or not this story ends up being true, the reasons you list here for it not being the case are actually insulting to child molestation victims.
Ash Sparrow
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That's the thing though, thousands of impoverished inner city children visited NL and had the times of their lives. None made accusations. The only accusations come from people who forced themselves into Michaels life, some people with incredible shady pasts.
A lot of this happened to Michael because he refused to turn away a kid he thought had cancer. Even though people like Chris Tucker were trying to tell him that these people were about to con him.
Anyway I'm grateful to read all the intelligent well thought out comments the later pages, too bad those are not on the first pages.
Dr. Feel Good
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From my recollection of the 2003 case, most of this stuff was obtained in mass auctions. A lot of the stuff he bought was rare print media and used to fill up his personal libraries. I believe the defense was that most of this stuff has never even been opened within his home. Maybe someone who has better facts on the original case can explain, but if that's accurate it's not that hard to believe. Michael purchased a lot of things, both normal and weird, it's why he was constantly bleeding money.
EdibleExplosives
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Can someone describe what's in the PDF? I'd rather not look through (potentially as there are clashing posts in this thread) fucked up pics of kids.
The jury clearly disagreed with you.
Fuck yes, naked children are not fucking art to be shared with other people. You want to snap a pic of your naked child as a memory that is your business. Selling those pictures as art is child porn.
That stuff is def weird...
Note that I called him sick and not a pedophile, i dont recall the jury ever saying my he didn't have a sick taste of art or collecting sick books
Adding to this....
- MJ had over 10,000 art books.
- All the material in the report was shown to the jury in 2005.
- None of these books were illegal.
- Not even the prosecution claimed these books were child porn or animal torture.
No it is not a joke, if you sell pictures of naked children that is fucking child pornography. Its really not that hard to understand.
No it isn't. Quiet clearly actually. Or else he would be in jail for owning it
Dr. Feel Good
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Agreed. But again he would buy out entire estate sales and hoard books and various forms of print articles. Often times the material they found was purchased with hundreds of other books at a time. There was no way to tell if he targeted these books, rather they came in a bulk purchase.
Additionally I believe the most evident books were given as gifts to him from other people (in some cases women).
It's old in the sense that it was shown in court 11 years ago. It's new in the sense that it's been released/leaked now.
Sumio Mondo
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Looking at the article, it's all tabloid garbo. Wasn't the evidence used in the trial rather...liberal with its terminology of "child porn" (supposedly like an autographed photo collection off some famous photographer for fashion, artbooks off famous artists and the like). I wonder what the heck the animal torture stuff is all about though? Weird.
Red Liquorice
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You just described Jimmy Saville.
the Jury also let OJ walk free, stop trolling..
CheDominik
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Maybe it's just my European upbringing but most of the stuff in the pdf(most of it was hard to decipher because of the quality) is nothing out of the ordinary. I have never cared for Jackson or his music so I didn't pay much attention to the trials but if that is what the prosecution presented as evidence it's pretty much nothing.
The Illiterati
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Doesn't it suck when you go buy tasteful nude children books to read in bed with nude boys who you give wine to and they're just stuffed with random child pornography? Not just once but over and over? I mean geeze people. Quit accidentally selling your unwanted hoards of child porn to unsuspecting collectors of innocent child nudity!
Clockwork
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Legally it's not though. The most mainstream example would be the Brooke Shields photos taken by Gary Gross or her appearance in the film Pretty Baby.
You or I may say it is distasteful, but it's not child porn.
Tatsumi Oga
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I really would like to know about what people are freaking out exactly? I genuinely want to know because i got to page 15 just now, and i wonder wtf i am even looking at. All very vague pictures overall. I would check out all the other pages but Windows 10 is incredibly slow for hours now already and things load up insanely slow...for whatever reason. I rather not waste my time like this.
Old info with a tabloid spin. Pretty sure the gist of it has been known for years if you go looking.
Thank you.
I don't give a fuck what some fucked up court says. This thread is going way too far for me. I need a serious break from GAF, this is not a place I want any connection with.
Not read the whole thing, but I have a copy of The Fourth Sex : Adolescent Extremes.
It's not child pornography in the slightest. I think I heard about it in a book review in one of the women's mags (think Cosmopolitan, not a porno) which had a picture of various graffiti done by NYC teenagers defacing a Britney Spears promo poster.
It has work by Jake and Dinos Chapman in it and that Cindy Sherman photo which was the most expensive piece of art ever sold.
Bit freaked out now! It's a pretty good book too! I'm sure it's got an essay about Sonic Youth in there too.
It's not child pornography in the slightest. I think I heard about it in a book review in one of the women's mags (think Cosmopolitan, not a porno) which had a picture of various graffiti done by NYC teenagers defacing a Britney Spears promo poster.
It has work by Jake and Dinos Chapman in it and that Cindy Sherman photo which was the most expensive piece of art ever sold.
Bit freaked out now! It's a pretty good book too! I'm sure it's got an essay about Sonic Youth in there too.
The willful ignorance is at a new level ITT
You don't know what trolling means clearly. Also, stop comparing OJ to MJ. They're completely different cases.
Count Dookkake
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A few things to remember:
1) Nudity is not porn.
2) Porn can be fully clothed.
3) MJ not guilty!
1) Nudity is not porn.
2) Porn can be fully clothed.
3) MJ not guilty!
Tatsumi Oga
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Again i post this
http://michaeljacksonallegations.co...aterial-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/
Actual information on all that was found
And as someone here said...he used to buy tons of shit, you could see that in the documentary, just for the sake of it. There's no telling if the guy even ever read these.
http://michaeljacksonallegations.co...aterial-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/
Actual information on all that was found
And as someone here said...he used to buy tons of shit, you could see that in the documentary, just for the sake of it. There's no telling if the guy even ever read these.
Both cases where star power trumped reason duh
Coreda
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Watch out, you're on a list now sploatee.
Speaking of, his documentary trying to actually interview MJ was super interesting, that closed-door interview with Joe Jackson is so tense.
I think that if someone like Louis actually got to speak with MJ, he would have been the person to get MJ to incriminate himself, if that were to be possible. But at the same time, we're also pretty sure that MJ was psychologically underdeveloped, so a lot of what he says and does is interpreted with that taken into account.
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