Punished Miku
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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I think I would want to be a defense attorney. Getting paid all that money for usually defending the guilty and losing. Easy work
DeepEnigma
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Not sure I would want that on my conscious, well in the criminal cases that is.I think I would want to be a defense attorney. Getting paid all that money for usually defending the guilty and losing. Easy work
Clearly found his current revenue niche
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Anyone reading the bolded part in a vacuum will assume one of the biggest reasons for FTC's lawsuit is MS supposedly recanting on assurances they made to EU.
Waiting for another "Reading is hard" type reply.
It's not supposedly. They did. Doesn't actually matter if the EU took it into consideration or not. I'm aware the EU didn't because they said in that same document that even if Microsoft did have incentives it wouldn't be a concern for them. That's not the point the FTC is making though
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ReBurn
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The win/loss ratio matters, though. If you don't win people don't hire you. You have to be good to make the bank.I think I would want to be a defense attorney. Getting paid all that money for usually defending the guilty and losing. Easy work
Punished Miku
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Consider for just 1 second the possibility that MS are not complete morons that lie to major regulators.
Solid point.
Another solid point. And prosecution is 90% vs. 10% for defense.
feynoob
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FTC is saying future games, while EU is existing games.
2 different topic.
DeepEnigma
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You don't have to be a completely moron to intentionally mislead or obfuscate. In fact, the best ones are of people with very high IQ and make a living or even a corporation out of it.
Punished Miku
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I mean, sure. Agreed. I just think they have a little more experience with this kind of thing than to just lie about such an obvious thing and then immediately announce an exclusive. It's literally retarded.
Ass of Can Whooping
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You should probably also read the Zenimax document. It's about both future and existing games
feynoob
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Stop it man.
Punished Miku
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I mean, he can keep going. Doesn't bother me. I like hearing everyone's opinion. We'll find out in time.
Topher
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Read all that. Are people really paying money for this? We knew all of this already from reading what MS submitted to EU.
feynoob
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Its the website I showed you.
You need to have premiium access for it .You get news from mergers, and all kind of market related materials.
Its like the NPD data.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Read. The fucking. Document
You're notorious for not actually reading anything. Do yourself a favour and learn how already
I still don't understand why it's up for debate?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This is one of the shittiest things about the internet.
The websites that do relevant reporting are tied behind paywall, and I understand their reasoning, but it sucks that all the tabloid shit is free and advertised everywhere.
Also, FTC's erroneous statements yesterday lit a fire under a lot of folks, this is just the fire hydrant to it, I guess.
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Topher
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Except NPD has actual useful data.
feynoob
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feynoob
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It matters to those who are on those fields.
ReBurn
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We didn't know that the EU commission clapped back at the FTC for misrepresenting their conclusions, though. People were asking for the source of the text that was quoted earlier because they believe that some random made it up and this is just posting where it came from.
Then EU are liars then got it.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Then EU are liars then got it.
I'm basing my information on offical documentation. Not interested in these paywalled articles.
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Topher
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Where did the EU make any statement here at all? I see references to an "EU watchdog". "Watchdogs" typically don't work for the entity they are watching. So who is this watchdog?
DeepEnigma
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I will repeat what I said in the other thread since people are A) not reading it, apparently, and B) they tried saying it was a " direct EU commissioner" at first (which is why I called bullshit since there was no press release from them, nor do I believe they would get involved and open their mouths when this is going to trial) and now when read, it was supposed "watchdogs."
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feynoob
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Because these documents are for existing zenimax games, and the 2 contractual agreement, which is deathloop and ghost wire Tokyo.
MS clearly stated during these periods, that zenimax future games are cases by cases.
You know, the stuff we have been going forth and back here?
That is what was happening during the EU commission.
EU regulators knew MS were going to have some exclusive games. They were aware of that, during the process of approval.
ReBurn
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The EU commission is the watchdog. They ensure compliance.
Context for them being a watchdog for the EU:
Though in need of reform, the watchdog is still watching
The Commission remains guardian of the treaties, but oversight rules must be reconsidered.
www.politico.eu
CatLady
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It's too bad the EU had to correct the FTC's misrepresentations. That's really shady and corrupt. The FTC lied not Microsoft. I don't see them winning anything.
MLex emailed the European Commission about the FTC accusation and they provided a very interesting answer:
MLex emailed the European Commission about the FTC accusation and they provided a very interesting answer:
Ass of Can Whooping
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Go ahead and point out the language being used to indicate the EU is only refering to existing games and not upcoming ones
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Whoever responded to MLex's comment is being labeled as "The European Commission"
Microsoft didn't make any "commitments" to EU regulators not to release Xbox-exclusive content following its takeover of ZeniMax Media, the European Commission has said.
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ReBurn
got it better.
feynoob
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107: existing games.
Go ahead and point out the language being used to indicate the EU is only refering to existing games and not upcoming ones
108: states how MS intends to make zenimax games exclusive. And 109: shows exclusive strategy would be successful, if their content is weak (2022 Xbox).
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Thirty7ven
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What the EU watchdog is saying is that EU didn’t impose conditions therefore MS didn’t break conditions, but MS did in fact argue something and then didn’t deliver.
Ass of Can Whooping
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The word "existing" isn't used
Thirty7ven
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They mention a significant portion of Zenimax sales will be on rival consoles this generation. Xbox is selling everything they ship. They proceed to announce exclusives straight away.
Sorry but people reaching for straws here.
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feynoob
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It covers current games, ongoing games, and timed exclusive games which PS has with zenimax.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Why are you giving me a definition for a word i just told you they didn't use?
feynoob
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Because that is the point of 107 here.
Ass of Can Whooping
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For the third time, they never used the word "existing" in point 107. Read it again
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feynoob
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New players would offset those lost sales.
108 highlights that.
So if MS sees the purchase is bringing more players, then they can determine that the revenue on the rival console can be offset by these new players.
That is how MS is assessing these exclusive games.
Topher
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The EU commission is the watchdog. They ensure compliance.
Context for them being a watchdog for the EU:
Though in need of reform, the watchdog is still watching
The Commission remains guardian of the treaties, but oversight rules must be reconsidered.
Really? That seems like an odd way to refer to the commission, but ok.
Whoever responded to MLex's comment is being labeled as "The European Commission"
Microsoft didn't make any "commitments" to EU regulators not to release Xbox-exclusive content following its takeover of ZeniMax Media, the European Commission has said.
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Clearly no "commitment" was made. Microsoft did emphasize that it wouldn't make sense to remove Bethesda games from other platforms in their EU submissions. Ultimately it did not matter as the EU determined that it wouldn't have an impact. That's not the point the FTC is making though. The point is what MS suggested was the case turned out to be the opposite action they took.
This is why I don't trust lawyer bullshit.
feynoob
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They used "making available for purchase", which is literally existing.
There is no mention for any future games here.
DeepEnigma
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Preach. They're beneficial when you need them (I have them in retainer), but best not to put all your trust in their BS. Just take advantage when they BS for you.
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CatLady
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Microsoft didn't mislead EU over ZeniMax deal, watchdog says in response to US concerns
Microsoft didn't make any "commitments" to EU regulators not to release Xbox-exclusive content following its takeover of ZeniMax Media, the European Commission has said.
US enforcers yesterday suggested that the US tech giant had misled the regulator in 2021 and cited that as a reason to challenge its proposed acquisition of Activision Blizzard.
"The commission cleared the Microsoft/ZeniMax transaction unconditionally as it concluded that the transaction would not raise competition concerns," the EU watchdog said in an emailed statement.
The absence of competition concerns "did not rely on any statements made by Microsoft about the future distribution strategy concerning ZeniMax's games," said the commission, which itself has opened an in-depth probe into the Activision Blizzard deal and appears keen to clarify what happened in the previous acquisition.
The EU agency found that even if Microsoft were to restrict access to ZeniMax titles, it wouldn't have a significant impact on competition because rivals wouldn't be denied access to an "essential input," and other consoles would still have a "large array" of attractive content.
Here are a couple of paragraphs from the document that that keeps being quoted that seem to back up the info the EU sent MLex yesterday
126) This conclusion is consistent with the results of the market investigation. The majority of distributors considered that the Transaction, in general, would have a neutral impact on their company, and no respondent believed that the impact would be negative.129 The majority of distributors also indicated, more specifically, that the impact of a possible exclusivity strategy with regard to ZeniMax games would be neutral on the distribution market.130
DeepEnigma
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feynoob
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Lawyers can find any loophole easily for you.
I was watching Blacklist, and this lawyer who is going through these lengthy documents, managed to find a one chance loophole.
Even though it's a show, these lawyers can be a trickster.
Ass of Can Whooping
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No, that's complete stupidity. When Starfield releases next year, you are making it available for purchase. That statement applies anything you are putting up for sale.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Whose arguing based on resetera posts ?
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