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Onix said:
Yeah, between stuff like this, the current gen of phone OS's (iPhone, WebOS, Android), and the PSP Go (at least for me) ... it really is an insane period for portable electronics.

And to think 10 years ago people were excited for what, MiniDisk players, MP3 CD players?

Cell phones were what? The Startac was a few years earlier, but yeah. And we were gaming on our badass new Gameboy Colors.

Goddamn.

Teching it up like it's 1999.
 
SnakeXs said:
And to think 10 years ago people were excited for what, MiniDisk players, MP3 CD players?

Cell phones were what? The Startac was a few years earlier, but yeah. And we were gaming on our badass new Gameboy Colors.

Goddamn.

Teching it up like it's 1999.

Yep. Having grown up before the internet, and shit, even beepers ... I think the current gen takes this shit for granted. It really wasn't long ago that basically none of this stuff was available.
 
Onix said:
Yep. Having grown up before the internet, and shit, even beepers ... I think the current gen takes this shit for granted. It really wasn't long ago that basically none of this stuff was available.

Seriously. B&W to color TV? Suck it down, old farts. We lived in the tech. revolution.

I bet our kids will say the same. :(

Too bad so few kids will have the joys of playfully throwing a friend into a pool, or dropping a bucket of water on a pal these days, though. :(
 
SnakeXs said:
Seriously. B&W to color TV? Suck it down, old farts. We lived in the tech. revolution.

Yep :)

I bet our kids will say the same. :(

But they'd be lying to themselves. Well, unless the singularity occurs, then yeah ... owned. The good thing is that we have a chance to be alive for it as well.

Too bad so few kids will have the joys of playfully throwing a friend into a pool, or dropping a bucket of water on a pal these days, though. :(

Yeah ... about that. I think I'm going to be perceived as a real douche by my kids. They're going to actually have to go out and play part of the time :D
 
This is actually just a sexified, more focused, and hardware based version of an old research project InkSeine

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/inkseine/

Seems like the video of the software has gone missing.

I have the software on my tablet, and it is pretty awesome. Its by far the only thing I've ever used that makes sense out of tablet input.

I see the transition from InkSeine to this UI to be rather trivial honestly. This thing could really shake stuff up and be out way before people expect...
 
I actually like that it seems to sacrificing some ease of use stuff to make everything act like a "real" object.

IDK, just concept video.. I'm sure if something like this actually is released it will have all that stuff too.
 
That UI would be unnavigable for the average user. For instance, there's no breadcrumbs at all.

As cool as it is, the final product's not going to resemble the promotional video all that much. It's the classic 'Minority Report' problem. That scene where the guy puts on a glove and waves things all over the screen? That's not going to be the future of human/computer interfaces. The problem isn't that technology is lacking. The problem is that if you sat right down to actually use it, you'd find very quickly that it was a million times more fun to watch than to actually use to try to get stuff done.
 
Slavik81 said:
That UI would be unnavigable for the average user. For instance, there's no breadcrumbs at all.

As cool as it is, the final product's not going to resemble the promotional video all that much. It's the classic 'Minority Report' problem. That scene where the guy puts on a glove and waves things all over the screen? That's not going to be the future of human/computer interfaces. The problem isn't that technology is lacking. The problem is that if you sat right down to actually use it, you'd find very quickly that it was a million times more fun to watch than to actually use to try to get stuff done.


I dont know, am I the only one that thinks that things should start taking more creative thinking and probing skills to be able to use the first few times? I'd be down for something that made perfect sense once you knew how to use it. User's will be comfortable with anything if they feel like the payoff is worth having to learn a little.
 
SnakeXs said:
Too bad so few kids will have the joys of playfully throwing a friend into a pool, or dropping a bucket of water on a pal these days, though. :(

I disagree with this. Really even in the 80s we had the ability to entertain ourselves without going outside if we wanted to. Sure, the NES, Commodore 64s and Walkman's that we all rocked are primative compared to what we have today.. but the fact is the "digital" lifestyle has been possible since the late 70s in some form.. and even before that you would have people that stayed inside all day to read/watch TV/listen to music.

Good parents everywhere have been using the tried and true fallback for decades: "Turn that off and go outside"... amazingly as a child I would always manage to entertain myself after I was forced into physical activity.
 
Can someone explain just why everyone wants a tablet system?

While I agree 100% that visually this thing looks pimp, and it's stroking my futuristic looking tech-boner a good bit...but why would I want this instead of a personal computer or a laptop?

I've used a tablet as my work machine before and it really wasn't anything special. It even supported multitouch gestures and it was hokey at best, broken at worst. Navigating around the interface with a stylus was cool, but in order for the system to be portable, it had shitty specs, and this was a new system only a year ago.

What everyday activity are people doing where they need to be drawing on their screen? Outside of students and graphic designers, I'm not seeing the market for this. It's more awkward to use on your lap without a desk, and with a desk it'll be flush against the surface causing you to have to lean over to see straight down on it.

I don't know, I was obsessed with the idea of tablets until I got one and foun out they're not the massive leap in usability and productivity that I was expecting...and at least that model had a keyboard.

Looks nice, but I'm not seeing the use case where I need this.
 
RubxQub said:
Can someone explain just why everyone wants a tablet system?

While I agree 100% that visually this thing looks pimp, and it's stroking my futuristic looking tech-boner a good bit...but why would I want this instead of a personal computer or a laptop?

I've used a tablet as my work machine before and it really wasn't anything special. It even supported multitouch gestures and it was hokey at best, broken at worst. Navigating around the interface with a stylus was cool, but in order for the system to be portable, it had shitty specs, and this was a new system only a year ago.

What everyday activity are people doing where they need to be drawing on their screen? Outside of students and graphic designers, I'm not seeing the market for this. It's more awkward to use on your lap without a desk, and with a desk it'll be flush against the surface causing you to have to lean over to see straight down on it.

I don't know, I was obsessed with the idea of tablets until I got one and foun out they're not the massive leap in usability and productivity that I was expecting...and at least that model had a keyboard.

Looks nice, but I'm not seeing the use case where I need this.

this is why. people want tablets to meet their techno-lust dreams. it's new, it's different. it's taking something familiar (writing) and adding a new coat of interactivity to it.

the reason why they don't sell... well, that's the rest of your email :)

I'll admit, i love this tech demo as a tech demo. it's crazy, it's over the top. I like that. and, i figure, there's nothing wrong with getting excited about this reveal. It's not like anyone is putting money down on a pre-order. if it comes out and disappoints, people will know about it well before they need to put their cash down.
 
This looks pretty sweet. I don't know if I'd need one, but depending on price, it could be great for books and whatnot. Not sure the extent of why I'd need a tablet PC. I need something with a keyboard if it's only good for web and email (No 3D games obviously), and if it's for those things, I need a physical keyboard. This will be great for artists out there though.
 
Well...hello there.

Photoshop on that thing, all GUI of brush options, layers and so forth and Navigator on the top screen and drawing mode on the bottom and baby, you got a stew goin'.
 
StoOgE said:
I disagree with this.

I think you missed his point. With all these awesome portable electronic devices, throwing someone in a pool or dumping a bucket of water on them could result in losses of thousands of dollars. You'd probably get punched.
 
I don't like the hinge part. I understand it is necessary at the current time to add more screen real estate but maintain portability, but once there are cheap flexible screens that hinge is gonna go bye-bye.

I used to want a tablet that looked like a book, until I got a Kindle. Now, the ease of a single screen device that I can hold in one hand is awesome. I will never want a two screened hinged device, EVER! Though I suspect the MS thing locks flat, so the hinge is really just for portability/screen protection.

This is never going to touch the Kindle. E-ink is far more readable, efficient, and useful for a dedicated reader. The goal of e-book readers is to bcome so CHEAP that they are virtually disposable, and become cost transparent to the consumer for reading. I worry about my Kindle getting stolen or damaged at the beach or whereever, I would be much more concerned for a much more expensive tablet thingy. When the Kindle is $20, I won't worry if I lose it. Tablet PCs are always gonna be chasing the performance edge, they will always cost a fair chunk of change, while I think e-readers will eventually plateau in features and thus drop radically in price.
 
As an owner of a tablet it's not that exciting. Most people take keyboards for granted, you don't really realize how much work it saves you until you try and handwrite everything. More of a tech demo than a workable consumer product I think.
 
RubxQub said:
While I agree 100% that visually this thing looks pimp, and it's stroking my futuristic looking tech-boner a good bit...but why would I want this instead of a personal computer or a laptop?

this is the only reason i want this. i just want to pop this bitch open on the subway and take notes like spider jerusalem would have
(will do?)
 
jason10mm said:
I don't like the hinge part. I understand it is necessary at the current time to add more screen real estate but maintain portability, but once there are cheap flexible screens that hinge is gonna go bye-bye.

I used to want a tablet that looked like a book, until I got a Kindle. Now, the ease of a single screen device that I can hold in one hand is awesome. I will never want a two screened hinged device, EVER! Though I suspect the MS thing locks flat, so the hinge is really just for portability/screen protection.

This is never going to touch the Kindle. E-ink is far more readable, efficient, and useful for a dedicated reader. The goal of e-book readers is to bcome so CHEAP that they are virtually disposable, and become cost transparent to the consumer for reading. I worry about my Kindle getting stolen or damaged at the beach or whereever, I would be much more concerned for a much more expensive tablet thingy. When the Kindle is $20, I won't worry if I lose it. Tablet PCs are always gonna be chasing the performance edge, they will always cost a fair chunk of change, while I think e-readers will eventually plateau in features and thus drop radically in price.
?? The kindle is currently teetering on the expensive-insanely expensive fence...when do you think they'll are going to be $20!?
 
DO WANT..but not right now. In the future, when specs are high in power and small in size. Also, battery time.

Listening to some people in this thread, you would think it comes out today.
 
2k9 is the year microsoft became awesome.

xbox 360 with its media extender and Natal interface (coming still) which is exciting for the media side of things

Windows 7 which is amazing and is a real contender for OSX in pretty/simple and useable areas

The Zune HD which despite being shit because it can't access microsoft maps and see where EUROPE is looks pretty great anyway

starting to come around on microsoft in a big way.
 
LCfiner said:
this is why. people want tablets to meet their techno-lust dreams. it's new, it's different. it's taking something familiar (writing) and adding a new coat of interactivity to it.

the reason why they don't sell... well, that's the rest of your email :)

I'll admit, i love this tech demo as a tech demo. it's crazy, it's over the top. I like that. and, i figure, there's nothing wrong with getting excited about this reveal. It's not like anyone is putting money down on a pre-order. if it comes out and disappoints, people will know about it well before they need to put their cash down.

I agree with you overall, but I would phrase it a bit differently: people are impressed by tech demos, but going from "it looks so cool/futuristic" to "I have to buy one" to "I actually bought one" to "I use it all the time, so convenient!", in my experience, can't happen just because the tech is impressive. The tech is just the part that's necessary to make it work as people want it to work, not what you should put forward when trying to sell your product. Not that Microsoft is doing it in the video, mind you.

And while you're right that there's nothing wrong in getting excited over what's been shown, I'll still voice my skepticism, just because :p. First, I hate that Gizmodo says the thing is an actual device, only to say right afterwards that it's a late prototype, with no release date, no price and no hands-on. Reminds me too much of Natal, to be honest. I hate it when they hype up their projects as if it's the next big thing, and yet we don't get to see in practice how and if it works.

Also, 1 minor gripe. I hate the presentation in the video: those simple guitar tunes annoy me, as do the empty phrases like "Inspiration: free to gather". You're not selling the Fountain of Youth or anything on that level, Microsoft.
 
subrock said:
yes I know people use computers for actual work, but I would say the more typical user experience would be, checking email and web surfing in an inappropriate social situation, lurking on facebook for hours on end. I think computing is very very basic for %75 of consumers.

my opinion on using computers in a workplace environment is that its a task that is very much behind the times. given I worked in TV and not graphic design like they are portraying but I dont think a lot of people are doing cutting edge stuff day to day unless they are the ones cutting the edge.

I don't even what the fuck
 
Cheeto said:
?? The kindle is currently teetering on the expensive-insanely expensive fence...when do you think they'll are going to be $20!?

Sure, NOW, but in 5 years it might well come FREE with an amazon e-book subscription, for all we know. The point is that I think e-books will quickly reach a set performance point, so they can be made for less and less, while anyhting as sexy as a tablet PC will always be chasing the tech curve.

Compare it to cell phones. The BASIC model cell phone is like $20, though that SAME feature set in 2002 would have been a $150 phone. But the iphone stays the same price for years. Why? Because the feature set keeps expanding.

I think the Kindle is almost perfect for an e-book reader in terms of screen size, ergonomics, and form factor. So long as they don't try to jump to color e-ink, increase processor power, add wi-fi, etc, they could conceivably reach an economy of scale such that the Kindle is virtually free, and can therefore be given away. The money is in the books, not the hardware, and I think amazon is striving for this. Sony, on the other hand, is shooting for hardware profit, thus they keep upping the ante with their readers with touch screens, etc. This will keep their readers expensive, and ultimately does no service for a dedicated e-book reader.
 
D4Danger said:
500x_courier8.jpg

That is one of the most awesome pics of tech I've ever seen. Consider me excited.
 
jason10mm said:
Sure, NOW, but in 5 years it might well come FREE with an amazon e-book subscription, for all we know. The point is that I think e-books will quickly reach a set performance point, so they can be made for less and less, while anyhting as sexy as a tablet PC will always be chasing the tech curve.

Compare it to cell phones. The BASIC model cell phone is like $20, though that SAME feature set in 2002 would have been a $150 phone. But the iphone stays the same price for years. Why? Because the feature set keeps expanding.

I think the Kindle is almost perfect for an e-book reader in terms of screen size, ergonomics, and form factor. So long as they don't try to jump to color e-ink, increase processor power, add wi-fi, etc, they could conceivably reach an economy of scale such that the Kindle is virtually free, and can therefore be given away. The money is in the books, not the hardware, and I think amazon is striving for this. Sony, on the other hand, is shooting for hardware profit, thus they keep upping the ante with their readers with touch screens, etc. This will keep their readers expensive, and ultimately does no service for a dedicated e-book reader.
The $99 iPhone today is better than the $599 iPhone 2 years ago.
 
I don't get excited until I see actual products. CG prototype videos mean nothing.

The good news is that some project (whether its this, the Apple tablet or some Chrome OS gadget) will get this stuff right in the next five years. I don't care who does it, as long as the OS lives up to the hardware and the SDK isn't a mess.
 
This looks awesome, but don't know if want. I just don't see why I would ever need this. Right now, I am waiting for the perfect PMP to come out, and sometimes I look at these tablets and think "what if" but for the most part they just seem like they are a bit much for what I mostly want (Something that primarily plays music and movies, with internet capabilities that would allow me to do some moderate browsing).

I want to see if they have any special hooks that can be used for music/movies. Everything is pretty much the same in those area's today, regardless of what company or device. I wonder which company is going to throw something new out there in regards to those. When am I gonna get my damn built in editor and dj tools, know what I mean?

Regardless, it's a nice looking product. Certainly looks cooler than the archos tablet. Wonder what apple has in store.
 
I was going to add something about Codex when I made the OP but I thought people would focus too much on that hardware/software instead of what Gizmodo posted.

People get really hung-up on tech demos and R&D and assume that's what the finished project is so I thought I'd leave it out.

This video is over a year old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=049_U-0C9qU. Neowin posted it in their story. You can see they've been working on something like this for a long time.
 
Yeah, but it's great to see a device in its R&D stages.

If Microsoft can line up some great programs for its launch next year then the company is going to have one killer product on its hands.

Of course, Apple's strengths will lay with content. No doubt there will be an App Store for the rumored tablet with HD games, HD movies, HD TV shows, daily newspapers and magazines. The hardware might not be as impressive as the Courier, but it's mass-market content that Apple's going after.

Geez, the two companies have practically had a role reversal. Apple going for mass-market content (App Store) and Microsoft for killer hardware (Zune HD, Courier).

Interesting times up ahead indeed!
 
I think the R&D is especially important to see in this case as it makes the interface make alot of sense. If you've used InkSeine its really a pretty neat experience. The only thing holding it back is how heavy tablets are currently.

Also, they've been working on this for years... i wouldn't be shocked by a rather short time to market after this reveal. The younger crowd at msft seems to want to prove something.
 
This has fail written all over it, regardless of if it is competent in running the software.

1) Price - we're probably looking $500 dollars at least - more than a netbook, more than a Kindle.
2) Who is the market for this?
 
I can't wait to see how exactly Microsoft or Apple could get tablets to be mass market products. Eventually I'd like to see all those tablets prototypes Apple apparently threw out in the last few years though. As cool as this concept vid is, I still think it doesn't offer enough to replace notebooks/journals when it would cost a lot more than netbooks and isn't as convenient as the iPhone.
 
SnakeXs said:
Shog's dick just exploded.
This thing is old news, dude. They use to have a prototype made up on 2 OQOs stuck together in a binder. Read about this like a year ago.

edit: There's the pic of the prototype above!
 
Woodsy said:
This has fail written all over it, regardless of if it is competent in running the software.

1) Price - we're probably looking $500 dollars at least - more than a netbook, more than a Kindle.
2) Who is the market for this?

Tablet users?
 
Woodsy said:
This has fail written all over it, regardless of if it is competent in running the software.

1) Price - we're probably looking $500 dollars at least - more than a netbook, more than a Kindle.
2) Who is the market for this?
are you serious?

edit: nvm saw tag
 
Damn, that "current" pic looks like two Zunes taped together :P

I suspect this stuff is aiming for the school/college market. There is a BIG push to eliminate books as they are a big expense for schools/students and are a space problem. Business applications are also a big target, especially if they can ever get a linked meeting package that allows for easy passage of secure documents and such.

We get this sort of stuff for medical use from time to time, the idea being that it is much more secure to have your PC ON you rather than a fixed terminal, plus it is more personable to be sitting with the patient rather than over at a desk, pecking away.

If some one can really nail the handheld computing device, they stand to sell MILLIONS of them. It is a golden apple (no pun intended) because traditional computing sales are static.
 
http://gizmodo.com/5369493/the-courier-files-how-microsoft-thinks-well-use-their-secret-tablet

Microsoft's Courier booklet was surprising, mostly because it was so far outside of what everybody now expects from a tablet. This internal video shows how Microsoft thinks we'll use Courier.

Since publishing the first leak, several more people have come forward with details on the Courier project.

This video is produced by the same firm that collaborated with Microsoft's Pioneer Studios on the previous clip, and it walks through a slightly different (and more conservative/realistic) iteration of the Courier interface. While the first video showed a handful of use cases, this one actually provides an overview of the interface and Courier's features, and more of how you would actually use it if you are not a designer.

The heart of Courier appears to what's called the "infinite journal," which is what it sounds like: A journal/scrapbook that is endless, bound only by storage constraints (presumably). Hopefully they will call it something less awkward. The journal can actually be published online, and it's shown here as able to be downloaded in three formats: a Courier file, Powerpoint or PDF. There's also a library that looks a lot like Delicious Library, where things like subscriptions, notebooks and apps, are stored.

This interface does share a few things in common with the other one: In particular, the hinge between the screens is still used as a pocket to "tuck" items you want to move from one page to another. It also still revolves almost exclusively around using the pen for input: In 4 minutes of video, there's not a virtual keyboard in sight. Fingers are still used just to navigate, through flicks, swipes and pinches.

The interface has a few more traditional elements than the first video, with more of a Microsoft feel (fonts and titles bars) and less of the entirely handwritten journal aesthetic: a smart agenda, more defined folder system, universal search and multi-page web browsing. It feels more evolved and fined, and less convoluted, suggesting it's more recent.

It also begins to bring into focus Courier's priorities, and possible limitations: Other than the brief glimpse at the library and the web browser, there is basically nothing about viewing content, like watching movies, reading books, or listening to music. Courier, in this iteration, appears to be all about creating and writing with a pen, which is vastly different from what everybody expects out of the Apple tablet.

We expect to have more a in-depth breakdown of the Courier interface in the next few days, so stay tuned.

new video at the link
 
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