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[Broad Spectrum]

Yeah, that 2.23% is gone for good, Microsoft is doomed.

You're missing the forest for the trees.

Market share data on operating systems from via statbase 2010:

2025:

Microsoft has been haemorrhaging market share for the past 15 years.

Arm64 support has been available in Proton Experimental as of around 4 months ago. When we get a functional ARM steam client that will play PC games on ARM devices like those found in Android devices you'll see a similar cannibalisation of gaming market share as you did with the general operating system space when those devices get rolled up in relevant steam charts.

If you're going to argue that mobile operating systems shouldn't count, spend 30 seconds Googling on where young people are spending most of their time gaming.

 

[adamsapple]

You're missing the forest for the trees.

Market share data on operating systems from via statbase 2010:

2025:

Microsoft has been haemorrhaging market share for the past 15 years.

Arm64 support has been available in Proton Experimental as of around 4 months ago. When we get a functional ARM steam client that will play PC games on ARM devices like those found in Android devices you'll see a similar cannibalisation of gaming market share as you did with the general operating system space when those devices get rolled up in relevant steam charts.

If you're going to argue that mobile operating systems shouldn't count, spend 30 seconds Googling on where young people are spending most of their time gaming.

Not sure if counting Android or iOS against Windows really makes sense.

Also, "Unknown" having a higher market share than Linux.

 

[Bojji]

Not sure if counting Android or iOS against Windows really makes sense.

Also, "Unknown" having a higher market share than Linux.

It's some unknown Linux distro - 100%!

 

[SScorpio]

You're missing the forest for the trees.

Market share data on operating systems from via statbase 2010:

2025:

Microsoft has been haemorrhaging market share for the past 15 years.

Arm64 support has been available in Proton Experimental as of around 4 months ago. When, not if, when we get a functional ARM steam client that will play PC games on ARM devices like those found in Android devices you'll see a similar cannibalisation of gaming market share as you did with the general operating system space when those devices get rolled up in relevant steam charts.

If you're going to argue that mobile operating systems shouldn't count, spend 30 seconds Googling on where young people are spending most of their time gaming.

That's why Microsoft had that full screen tablet mode in Windows 8 that everyone blew up about. Consumer Windows also isn't Microsoft's main market. That's Azure and all of the subscription services like M365, and the licensing of Windows, Office, SQL, etc by businesses.

And it's not ARM64 support in Proton that you want to look for. It's FEX-Emu that is coming in the Steam Frame that will work along side Proton to let you run x86/x64 games on an ARM64 CPU under SteamOS.

 

[crazyriddler]

You're missing the forest for the trees.

Market share data on operating systems from via statbase 2010:

2025:

Microsoft has been haemorrhaging market share for the past 15 years.

Arm64 support has been available in Proton Experimental as of around 4 months ago. When we get a functional ARM steam client that will play PC games on ARM devices like those found in Android devices you'll see a similar cannibalisation of gaming market share as you did with the general operating system space when those devices get rolled up in relevant steam charts.

If you're going to argue that mobile operating systems shouldn't count, spend 30 seconds Googling on where young people are spending most of their time gaming.

I've been hearing for over a decade that the mobile market is going to take over the PC and console markets, blah blah blah… And here we are, with consoles and PCs stronger than ever. The Android market may grow, but unless you're one of those who (still) thinks that smartphones and tablets are going to make premium experiences disappear... And yes, obviously young (and adult) people play more on smartphones, but that's because the smartphone market is absurdly larger.'Today, approximately 4.69 billion people own a smartphone' source. No shit, of course more people are playing on smartphones.

 

[Alan Silvestro]

 

[Trilobit]

Windows works excellently for me each day. It's weird that there's a lag whenever I right-click in Explorer, but other than that there's no issues.

 

[Broad Spectrum]

Not sure if counting Android or iOS against Windows really makes sense.

Also, "Unknown" having a higher market share than Linux.

I'm not sure why it wouldn't make sense. Unless you want to look specifically at desktop OS market share and not overall global operating system market share. But that would be cherry picking the data IMO.

I've been hearing for over a decade that the mobile market is going to take over the PC and console markets, blah blah blah… And here we are, with consoles and PCs stronger than ever. The Android market may grow, but unless you're one of those who (still) thinks that smartphones and tablets are going to make premium experiences disappear... And yes, obviously young (and adult) people play more on smartphones, but that's because the smartphone market is absurdly larger.'Today, approximately 4.69 billion people own a smartphone' source. No shit, of course more people are playing on smartphones.

Smartphones are also more prevalent as gaming devices in developing markets. I don't think the premium experience is going to vanish as there are always going to be enthusiasts, I think it's going to follow the general global operating system trends and shrink relative to the mobile market.

Going from 95% operating system market share to 25% -- a 70% drop in market share -- is impressively bad and I don't understand how you can tell me with a straight face that Microsoft hasn't been floundering in the operating system space for the past 15 years. They dropped the ball on mobile operating systems. They dropped the ball with XBOX. And if you think it's any better on Windows... go read some recent headlines. They're floundering.

 

[twilo99]

Windows works excellently for me each day. It's weird that there's a lag whenever I right-click in Explorer, but other than that there's no issues.

I read somewhere that Intel based systems don't have that right click lag issue but not sure. Both of mine are on AMD and they both have it..

 

[Trilobit]

I read somewhere that Intel based systems don't have that right click lag issue but not sure. But of mine are on AMD and they both have it..

Yeah, I also have an AMD Thinkpad. Sounds very odd how that could be.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Emedan]

FFS it's a nightmare working in IT having Windows users... We have forced updating for security reasons and never knowing if the next one will brick some function is fucking retarded..

 

[ReBurn]

FFS it's a nightmare working in IT having Windows users... We have forced updating for security reasons and never knowing if the next one will brick some function is fucking retarded..

You guys don't test them before you roll them out?

 

[Emedan]

You guys don't test them before you roll them out?

Im an IT consultant, we help mostly smaller sized companies and don't really have time for that. If the customer wants forced software updates that's what they will get. I do control it though so whenever this shit comes up I can pause them but such a fucking hassle to having to do that all the time.

 

[winjer]

 

[Radical_3d]

Stability: Improvements to Bluetooth, USB, and printer connectivity to reduce crashes.

Hahahaha!! Oh god, Windows users live like savages.

 

[Topher]

Sounds like "hear you"

 

[Bojji]

Hahahaha!! Oh god, Windows users live like savages.

 

[Broad Spectrum]

 

[winjer]

Microsoft Pulls Windows 11 Feature Update After Widespread Installation Errors

Microsoft has withdrawn its latest KB5079391 non-security feature update after users reported significant problems and installation errors. According to Microsoft's official documents, the company has temporarily paused the rollout of this update while investigating the installation error 0x80073712. If you applied this late March update, your operating system might display errors like "Some update files are missing or have problems. We'll try to download the update again later. Error code: (0x80073712)." To prevent further issues, Microsoft decided to temporarily pull this Windows 11 update until the problem is resolved. Microsoft has reportedly identified the issue and will share more information soon as the bug is fixed. Once the fix is applied, Microsoft will reintroduce the update, possibly with a different KB package number, through the Windows Update process.

This is happening just days after Microsoft published its Windows 11 plans and roadmap for upcoming updates. This includes a promised focus on stability to restore Windows 11 to its full glory, but this has been insufficient so far, as this late March KB5079391 non-security feature update had been prepared a little longer before the promise. Hence, the time has been insufficient for the update plans and what Microsoft has in store for Windows 11. It seems we will have to endure a few more cycles of challenging updates and releases before the entire issue portfolio is resolved and an update becomes an actual improvement rather than a nightmare for users.

One important change coming from the new plan for Windows 11 is giving users more control over updates to reduce interruptions. This will essentially allow users to go longer without restarting for an update and to skip updates during device setup, as well as to restart and shut down without updating. Microsoft will start rolling out these changes to the Windows 11 Insider Program throughout March and April 2026. It's unclear how long it will take for these changes to reach the mainline version of Windows 11, but if feedback is positive, it likely won't be long.

 

[diffusionx]

Microsoft Pulls Windows 11 Feature Update After Widespread Installation Errors

Seems like this happens every single time at this point.

 

[AJUMP23]

They outsourced all their development to underpaid cheaper labor markets and it shows.

 

[Wolzard]

Not sure if counting Android or iOS against Windows really makes sense.

Also, "Unknown" having a higher market share than Linux.

This website uses browser data to check which operating system is being used. Some distributions may not report the data correctly due to numerous factors, such as privacy.

You can trust Scott Hanselman. He's a unique guy at Microsoft, I remember him on the C# team. He was always promoting open-source and clashed with some old-guard Microsoft people. There was a case where they developed an open-source tool for VS Code. A member of the Visual Studio team, at the last minute, made it closed and exclusive to Visual Studio. It generated controversy, and I remember Scott being one of those who tried to reverse that decision.

 

[Topher]

This website uses browser data to check which operating system is being used. Some distributions may not report the data correctly due to numerous factors, such as privacy.



You can trust Scott Hanselman. He's a unique guy at Microsoft, I remember him on the C# team. He was always promoting open-source and clashed with some old-guard Microsoft people. There was a case where they developed an open-source tool for VS Code. A member of the Visual Studio team, at the last minute, made it closed and exclusive to Visual Studio. It generated controversy, and I remember Scott being one of those who tried to reverse that decision.

Believe Scott was the main guy pushing .net core and creating Mac and Linux versions as well. Saw him speak at VS Live once. Seems like a great guy

 

[Broad Spectrum]

Not sure if counting Android or iOS against Windows really makes sense.

Also, "Unknown" having a higher market share than Linux.

A 3% in Linux increase this month. Not Bad!

 

[poppabk]

I'm not sure why it wouldn't make sense. Unless you want to look specifically at desktop OS market share and not overall global operating system market share. But that would be cherry picking the data IMO.


Smartphones are also more prevalent as gaming devices in developing markets. I don't think the premium experience is going to vanish as there are always going to be enthusiasts, I think it's going to follow the general global operating system trends and shrink relative to the mobile market.

Going from 95% operating system market share to 25% -- a 70% drop in market share -- is impressively bad and I don't understand how you can tell me with a straight face that Microsoft hasn't been floundering in the operating system space for the past 15 years. They dropped the ball on mobile operating systems. They dropped the ball with XBOX. And if you think it's any better on Windows... go read some recent headlines. They're floundering.

In real numbers it didn't really change that much - it's just that a fuck-ton of new devices entered the market. Missing the mobile phone market was a major fuck-up on their part - but it's not like they didn't completely fuck over desktop Windows (Windows 8, now that was a truly ghastly windows) in an attempt to join that party.

 

[GymWolf]

I'm just gonna wait until my dude winjer tells me that it is safe to upgrade again

 

[winjer]

I'm just gonna wait until my dude winjer tells me that it is safe to upgrade again

Delay feature updates for a year. Delay security updates for a week.

 

[GymWolf]

Delay feature updates for a year. Delay security updates for a week.

Are those 2 separate sliders?

 

[winjer]

Are those 2 separate sliders?

Just use Chris Titus Windows tool.

Open Powershell in Admin mode and run this:

irm "https://christitus.com/win" | iex

Then go to "updates" tab and click on the Balanced Security Settings.

 

[GymWolf]

Just use Chris Titus Windows tool.

Open Powershell in Admin mode and run this:


Then go to "updates" tab and click on the Balanced Security Settings.

I don't trust that stuff tbh.

 

[winjer]

I don't trust that stuff tbh.

You can trust it. It has been vetted and tested by a lot of people.
I have been using it for many years, and it works very well.

 

[GymWolf]

You can trust it. It has been vetted and tested by a lot of people.
I have been using it for many years, and it works very well.

You know my windows is kinda fucked, i don't wanna risk being the 0,001% with a problem

Thanks anyway.

 

[winjer]

You know my windows is kinda fucked, i don't wanna risk being the 0,001% with a problem

Thanks anyway.

Didn't you solve it?

 

[GymWolf]

Didn't you solve it?

Nope, too scared of doing more damage.

The pc work well except for not being able to complete that fc scannow thing you told me to do ages ago (i haven't tried recently tho)

Not gonna take any chance of doing more damage, i had my fair share of bad luck in the past when i tried to fix things that worked well.

 

[Dorago]

Nope, too scared of doing more damage.

The pc work well except for not being able to complete that fc scannow thing you told me to do ages ago (i haven't tried recently tho)

Not gonna take any chance of doing more damage, i had my fair share of bad luck in the past when i tried to fix things that worked well.

Windows updates screw up the OS so much it's a good idea to wipe and reinstall every year. The same thing happens in Linux too with the overlapping lib blot and major updates leaving unused features behind. The only way to have a stable OS is to never patch after a successful install but that's a death wish if you connect to the internet.

 

[GymWolf]

Windows updates screw up the OS so much it's a good idea to wipe and reinstall every year. The same thing happens in Linux too with the overlapping lib blot and major updates leaving unused features behind. The only way to have a stable OS is to never patch after a successful install but that's a death wish if you connect to the internet.

Probably true but the idea of wasting a day formatting and reintalling everything every year sound like a nightmare to me, i can't stress enough how much i fucking hate doing that.

My pc run fine and i'm not gonna adjust something that is not visibly broken just because.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I will add.

I primarily use my PCs for gaming and streaming. Some audio work, production etc.

I have had one issue with Windows 11 and its pissed me off. On the Xbox store it wouldnt sometimes update games and I had to delete and re install them. Outside of that, absolutely 0 issues. I cant talk on performance and speed vs other OSs as my PCS boot and run fast as shit. always.

So, I am not defending MS, I am just saying that it works for how I want to use it. BUT, i have heard from enough people online, and friends that are seriously into certain more bespoke requirements that they have issues. So I say, keep applying the pressure.

Companies that are valued at trillions of dollars should be putting good products out. AND, sustaining them if they are an OS!

 

[MayauMiao]

In space, no one can hear you scream about Windows software errors.

 

[YCoCg]

In space, no one can hear you scream about Windows software errors.

Surely this has to be one hell of a wake up call for Nutella.

 

[Topher]

Bad intelligence is so entertaining

Copilot Terms Claim Microsoft's AI Is for 'Entertainment Purposes Only'

The update flew under the radar, but cropped up on social media this week, with some users noting that the disclosure is similar to what you might hear before a psychic reading.

www.pcmag.com

 

[Hudo]

OS/2 should've won...

 

[winjer]

Bad intelligence is so entertaining

Copilot Terms Claim Microsoft's AI Is for 'Entertainment Purposes Only'

The update flew under the radar, but cropped up on social media this week, with some users noting that the disclosure is similar to what you might hear before a psychic reading.

www.pcmag.com

Admittedly, Microslop and Copilot are a joke. A bad one at that.

 

[xrnzaaas]

A 3% in Linux increase this month. Not Bad!

How can you have 10%+ OS changes in a month? It's not like changing your system is a fast and easy process. Gotta be related to how many Chinese players have logged in on Steam, right?

 

[Krathoon]

I was having a weird problem with Windows 11 on my laptop not loading my profile.

I had to keep rebooting until it loaded it.

It seems to have stopped doing that now.

 

[Broad Spectrum]

How can you have 10%+ OS changes in a month? It's not like changing your system is a fast and easy process. Gotta be related to how many Chinese players have logged in on Steam, right?

That's the running theory. Supposedly, the biggest changes came from Windows installs from China. I've heard people suggest a big part of that could be pirated Windows installs out of China -- whether or not that's true I have no idea. Some attributed the difference between this month and the previous month to a predictable annual increase in Windows users around Chinese New Year (which predictably drops the month after Chinese new years).

 

[falconhoof]

OS/2 should've won...

We could have been Warping our way to a glorious future.

This is probably why we don't have hover cars today.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Well, I broke free and went to bazzite. The learning curve was challenging but so worth it.

Its more stable, almost as performant (9070xt), insanely better window/folder management, virus free and best of all - gets better everyday.

I'm glad I did. Ppl like me will start sending a clear msg to MS eventually : get your shit together.

 

[ReBurn]

OS/2 should've won...

IBM would not have been a better choice for the PC market. OS/2 system requirements were ridiculous, the OS was a pain to install because of extremely narrow hardware compatibility, and third party software vendors avoided it. Microsoft understood the consumer market much better than IBM at the time, which definitely showed after the Microsoft and IBM relationship ended.

 

[rm082e]

My wife is on an ancient desktop that's still on Windows 10 with the extended support. It started throwing boot errors this week. I'm thinking about buying her a MacBook Air since she's a die hard iPhone user and getting the phone backed up on Windows has been such a PITA. She only does basic documents, pics and web browsing, so it should be a fairly easy switch.

I just can't bring myself to spend money on a new Windows machine for her given Microsoft's current direction...