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Personally I'd spring for a Mister…and plan to soonish.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Well.. ..they backpedaled and resolved the issue. What are people supposed to say?

There was no backpedal at all. They are not getting rid of dev mode on xbox consoles, and accounts deactivated was not intentional, and they are being remedied. Not what you'd call a backpedal.

 

[ManaByte]

MVG's update is still shitting on MS. Claiming the Xbox One or Series was never hacked because there was no motivation and people don't care about those consoles. He's such an idiot. It's due to the security MS put on the consoles, which they're using on PCs now.

 

[Chiggs]

MVG's update is still shitting on MS. Claiming the Xbox One or Series was never hacked because there was no motivation and people don't care about those consoles. He's such an idiot. It's due to the security MS put on the consoles, which they're using on PCs now.

It's actually incredible to see him melt down like this. I've always appreciated his perspective on things, but he's blown it.

Hackers couldn't crack the Xbox One, period.

 

[ManaByte]

It's actually incredible to see him melt down like this. I've always appreciated his perspective on things, but he's blown it.

Hackers couldn't crack the Xbox One, period.

This is the second time in a year where he's started an anti-MS FUD firestorm and raked in the sweet Adsense money from the outrage. He's just exposed himself as a grifter who's act is to get fanboys on one side all outraged and then sit back and watch his views and money go up.

 

[Chiggs]

This is the second time in a year where he's started an anti-MS FUD firestorm and raked in the sweet Adsense money from the outrage. He's just exposed himself as a grifter who's act is to get fanboys on one side all outraged and then sit back and watch his views and money go up.

It's hard to argue this point, unfortunately.

 

[Fess]

People can make fun of them for doing a 180 but I respect them a ton for listening, it's a rare thing, it should be applauded.
Either way, in 90 days the honeymoon is over.

 

[MrFunSocks]

People can make fun of them for doing a 180 but I respect them a ton for listening, it's a rare thing, it should be applauded.
Either way, in 90 days the honeymoon is over.

Dev accounts will still be closed if they do not attempt to publish anything to the store, so they didn't really change anything at all.

 

[lh032]

Microsoft love to backpeddled alot from what I seen recently, they love testing waters lol

 

[ManaByte]

Microsoft love to backpeddled alot from what I seen recently, they love testing waters lol

What exactly were they testing here. Explain.

 

[01011001]

Microsoft love to backpeddled alot from what I seen recently, they love testing waters lol

this was clearly an error as not every account was disabled. it was some random amount of accounts that were affected and many that used it in the same way weren't

 

[reinking]

There was no backpedal at all. They are not getting rid of dev mode on xbox consoles, and accounts deactivated was not intentional, and they are being remedied. Not what you'd call a backpedal.

Sure. And I believe them.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Sure. And I believe them.

Dev mode isn't going anywhere. Dev mode never got removed. What happened was some people had their accounts closed due to inactivity, which the guidelines state clearly. People that had been actually releasing things using Dev mode didn't get their accounts closed.

 

[Excess]

Hackers couldn't crack the Xbox One, period.

Yet. But as MVG stated, when there's a will, there's a way, and there's very little will to crack a last gen console that mostly relies on multiplayer games with rapid console firmware deployments. Also, by the time an exploit even shows any promise, probably 95% of the userbase is already upgraded to a new firmware. It's simply a game of cat and mouse.

 

[Shmunter]

This is why woke outrage works like a charm on spineless corporations

 

[reinking]

Dev mode isn't going anywhere. Dev mode never got removed. What happened was some people had their accounts closed due to inactivity, which the guidelines state clearly. People that had been actually releasing things using Dev mode didn't get their accounts closed.

Yes? I know that. They also said they are reversing the "mistake." That was no mistake. They saw the backlash and are changing their stance for the time being. It's not new. We've seen it before. It's also a good thing that they are willing to listen.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Yes? I know that. They also said they are reversing the "mistake." That was no mistake. They saw the backlash and are changing their stance for the time being. It's not new. We've seen it before. It's also a good thing that they are willing to listen.

I don't buy the mistake part about the deactivation being in error either. Their mistake was not sending a warning like most other services that deactivate inactive accounts do, which they've now effectively done.

Yet. But as MVG stated, when there's a will, there's a way, and there's very little will to crack a last gen console that mostly relies on multiplayer games with rapid console firmware deployments. Also, by the time an exploit even shows any promise, probably 95% of the userbase is already upgraded to a new firmware. It's simply a game of cat and mouse.

It wasn't a last gen console for the 7 years it was released before the current gen though. People have tried and tried and tried to crack it, they just haven't been able to. It's not cracked because it's incredibly secure, not because it's old and people can't be bothered.

 

[Little Chicken]

So this isn't/wasn't ever happening.

 

[Excess]

It wasn't a last gen console for the 7 years it was released before the current gen though. People have tried and tried and tried to crack it, they just haven't been able to. It's not cracked because it's incredibly secure, not because it's old and people can't be bothered.

The implication in my post was that there has been very little will to exploit the One, as opposed to consoles such as the 360 or PS3, before online games and firmware deployments made it much more difficult. Do you even remember how hackers took a damn drill to the Mediatek chip in the 360 after Microsoft said their new Slim model was "unhackable"?

Today, this same deployment strategy works with all kinds of hardware, especially phones. Android made it almost worthless to root your phone by constantly deploying things that would break key features such SafeNet for GPay. You can still root it, but you lose things in return. Even Windows 11 gave older hardware without TPM 2.0 the snub. It's just a never-ending cat and mouse game.

 

[Deerock71]

 

[MrFunSocks]

The implication in my post was that there has been very little will to exploit the One, as opposed to consoles such as the 360 or PS3, before online games and firmware deployments made it much more difficult. Do you even remember how hackers took a damn drill to the Mediatek chip in the 360 after Microsoft said their new Slim model was "unhackable"?

Today, this same deployment strategy works with all kinds of hardware, especially phones. Android made it almost worthless to root your phone by constantly deploying things that would break key features such SafeNet for GPay. You can still root it, but you lose things in return. Even Windows 11 gave older hardware without TPM 2.0 the snub. It's just a never-ending cat and mouse game.

The 360 was an online powerhouse, and had more firmware updates than you could shake a stick at.

There is plenty of will to crack open the Xbox one. There's just no way yet.

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

Damn, I had actually been tempted to get a Series S for emulation purposes.

 

[Excess]

There is plenty of will to crack open the Xbox one. There's just no way yet.

I like that you said "yet". That's where we agree.

But just anecdotally, Se7venSins may not be what it used to be, but I didn't see very much enthusiasm from lurking those forums the last 5 years of the generation. By the time the new consoles were debuting, I don't think anyone really cared anymore.

 

[Chiggs]

Damn, I had actually been tempted to get a Series S for emulation purposes.

Emulation on the Series S doesn't require Dev mode, but I bet you MVG made you think it does.

 

[009EspadaSageJay]

Dev mode was not going away LOL why people thought that is insane to being with every xbox can be turn into a dev kit why do you think modding for the original xbox is so big. The way you can run emulation on xbox was always going to be a loop hole that was may or may not get patched devs and publishers have been super petty since 09. Most of them dont want you playing old games unless you pay some Upgrade $50-70 DC patch or some nonsense all the GTA games were BC on xbox the "non updated broken trilogy or "360 remaster" But Rockstar pulled the plug. Modders got Ps2 games to run at 1080p/4k/60 on the ps4/ps4 pro sony banned all of them and then has been patching the ps4 at a crazy rate to stop modders/emulation they did the same thing with the vita. Emulation is a gray area I dont care Emulation is fine most of these games you cant even buy anymore so who cares the dev,pubs and console makers are making 0 dollars on them to being with. The only reason why MS "was" going to pull dev accounts is because in the terms it requires the person to actually be interested in publishing and making games.

 

[Fess]

Dev accounts will still be closed if they do not attempt to publish anything to the store, so they didn't really change anything at all.

They gave us more time at least, reset the clock:
"we have restored your account but you must publish an app or game product within 90 days"
And who knows, they might increase the time limit, 90 days must be an awfully tight timeframe even for a serious dev.

 

[Ribi]

lol wat. Let me understand, instead of buying a 40 dollars/euro/pound Gamecube and idk 20 dollars/euro/pound a copy of Smash did you just bought a 300dollars/euro/pound Series S plus 20 for dev mode?
yeah, fuck Microsoft.

Yes I don't think you understand anything. I didn't pay for the dev mode there's a way to get it free. Do some research

 

[Sp3eD]

I thank this bullshit outrage by MVG for showing me the ultra easy edge download of retro arch on my series S. I stayed away from it due to the thought of diving into dev mode and sanction my series S already shit hard drive with file space for dev mode.

Now with a 1.6 gig download and a thumb drive I can pretty much get all the classic games I want. This is great

 

[gypsygib]

Its almost as if emulation isn't legal.

A legally purchased game would, in an ideal world, be able to be played anywhere.

 

[Fess]

I thank this bullshit outrage by MVG for showing me the ultra easy edge download of retro arch on my series S. I stayed away from it due to the thought of diving into dev mode and sanction my series S already shit hard drive with file space for dev mode.

Now with a 1.6 gig download and a thumb drive I can pretty much get all the classic games I want. This is great

Yeah this is what happens, probably got many of those who did it through dev mode to do it through retail mode instead.
What they should do is take away the time limit. Why do you have to publish something on the store within just 90 days? In a proper development scenario it only make more rushed crap go up on the store.

 

[Windle Poons]

Is there a 5 step plan for getting it legit for tards like me who has never used discord?

I like how people say 'just sign up for a discord man'

Then what?

Sorry, should I just use an internet search engine?

EDIT: I've found the other thread, sorry.

 

[Fess]

Is there a 5 step plan for getting it legit for tards like me who has never used discord?

I like how people say 'just sign up for a discord man'

Then what?

Sorry, should I just use an internet search engine?

There is no legit way to get it as far as I know. It's not like on Steam where Retroarch is properly uploaded by the original dev.
Not sure what is the latest strategy but previously you could acquire a browser link that trigger a download of hopefully a relatively recent version from some kind soul who think playing games from our childhood isn't an awful crime. You had to contact the person and get your console whitelisted to install it, I'm guessing it's some kind of beta tester loophole.

 

[Windle Poons]

Okay thanks I looked in the other thread and the opening post says it's been removed now. It's just spliced between the various posts on here about the morals of MS disabling dev accounts are several posts saying you can still get it on non-dev Xboxes and I've just seen conflicting info (as I say other post says it's now been removed)

 

[pasterpl]

UPDATE: Microsoft says it has no plans to remove or disable dev mode on Xbox consoles. A number of Partner Center accounts were disabled by mistake. "We are actively working on identifying and reenabling these accounts as soon as possible."

/end thread

 

[Fess]

Okay thanks I looked in the other thread and the opening post says it's been removed now. It's just spliced between the various posts on here about the morals of MS disabling dev accounts are several posts saying you can still get it on non-dev Xboxes and I've just seen conflicting info (as I say other post says it's now been removed)

It has been going up and down in different versions so look around and you might find a recent upload

 

[Maogp]

Yes I don't think you understand anything. I didn't pay for the dev mode there's a way to get it free. Do some research

yeah, whitelist et cetera.
but did you still buy a $ 300 console to install an app to play roms?
And when Microsoft decides to close the accounts then it becomes ugly and bad?
It seems bullshit to me, just a reason to go against Microsoft.

 

[phil_t98]

This is why woke outrage works like a charm on spineless corporations

so at first you were saying its bad they were removing it, now your saying they are spineless to not follow it through?

as always interesting your views on xbox

 

[Ozriel]

Can you blame just MVG? He should take down the original video or add some disclaimer. But at the same time, everybody here and others on Youtube/Reddit were going bananas over this and buying/recommending the console over this feature alone. Hell, even the same people in this thread saying "Should've read the TOS" were the biggest proponents of praising this feature.

At no point did anybody (MS too) point out what the TOS said. Blaming just MVG is not fair.

And In every single thread referencing MVG's original video, People were informing others about using retail mode as the preferred option.

Anyone who feels impacted by this can always pivot to emulation on retail mode and get up and running in under 10 mins.

It's fair to blame MVG for his latest video because he CLEARLY did not do any research before claiming this was an MS crackdown against emulation on the Xbox.

 

[Three]

Why do you have to publish something on the store within just 90 days? In a proper development scenario it only make more rushed crap go up on the store.

Because it's a tradeoff. Their two main goals are:

1) Don't allow anything to run on the console that isn't from their store.

2) foster developers who want to release on their store and allow them to develop freely on the console.

The problem is that these two contradict eachother. The solution is to place a set of rules that try to force you to publish to the store in a timeframe so that you aren't doing 1) without doing 2). 90 days is a bit short though, just seems like an empty gesture. Do you plan to publish?

 

[Shmunter]

so at first you were saying its bad they were removing it, now your saying they are spineless to not follow it through?

as always interesting your views on xbox

Believe it or not we do live in a world where 2 or more things can be true at the same time

 

[Fess]

Because it's a tradeoff. Their two main goals are:

1) Don't allow anything to run on the console that isn't from their store.

2) foster developers who want to release on their store and allow them to develop freely on the console.

The problem is that these two contradict eachother. The solution is to place a set of rules that try to force you to publish to the store in a timeframe so that you aren't doing 1) without doing 2). 90 days is a bit short though, just seems like an empty gesture. Do you you plan to publish?

Yeah it doesn't seem realistic. Can you even get an app through certification and proper bug testing in 90 days?

Lol nah I have no plan to publish, I just like to fool around with Unity and thought it was cool that I could get my crap up on the TV.

Spoiler: Nothing important

 

[Shmunter]

Yeah it doesn't seem realistic. Can you even get an app through certification and proper bug testing in 90 days?

Lol nah I have no plan to publish, I just like to fool around with Unity and thought it was cool that I could get my crap up on the TV.

Spoiler: Nothing important

Damn, that's juicy

 

[Fess]

Damn, that's juicy

Lol idk it's absolutely horrible to play, it's based on the free platformer template in Unity, then I've just built from that and drew the art etc. Started as a bouncy walk animation not intendent for a modern audience

 

[MrFunSocks]

They gave us more time at least, reset the clock:
"we have restored your account but you must publish an app or game product within 90 days"
And who knows, they might increase the time limit, 90 days must be an awfully tight timeframe even for a serious dev.

I'm sure if you show them that you're actually working on a game they'll gladly extend that massively. The problem for all the people in here is that no one actually needs a dev account or dev mode, not even for emulation. They paid $20 for something they didn't need.

 

[phil_t98]

Believe it or not we do live in a world where 2 or more things can be true at the same time

Just your usual trolling in Xbox threads. Yeah it's shitty they doing it

 

[Fess]

I'm sure if you show them that you're actually working on a game they'll gladly extend that massively. The problem for all the people in here is that no one actually needs a dev account or dev mode, not even for emulation. They paid $20 for something they didn't need.

Maybe but if I don't plan to publish, how many 90-days "delays" will they tolerate?

I'm thinking it's no point using this anymore unless you already have a finished game, it's not meant for hobby projects, it's made for real devs which can give MS their cut of the retail price in 90 days when it's getting sold.
It's a bummer, I miss the Commodore days when you had a devkit fully unlocked on a little box connected to the living room TV, it gave birth to many professional game developers.

 

[Shmunter]

Just your usual trolling in Xbox threads. Yeah it's shitty they doing it

You're deluded, take it elsewhere.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Maybe but if I don't plan to publish, how many 90-days "delays" will they tolerate?

I'm thinking it's no point using this anymore unless you already have a finished game, it's not meant for hobby projects, it's made for real devs which can give MS their cut of the retail price in 90 days when it's getting sold.
It's a bummer, I miss the Commodore days when you had a devkit fully unlocked on a little box connected to the living room TV, it gave birth to many professional game developers.

I doubt that it's 90 days from the start, they've likely just given everyone a 90 day warning from now. People have been using dev mode since it came out which is longer than 90 days.

But yeah, if you don't plan on publishing then an Xbox dev account is not what you should be using.

 

[lostinblue]

Nintendo's lawyers have been in touch:

Goldeneye as collateral.

They were just pretending to be a "cool" pro gaming company but at the end their… just Microsoft

I'm sure Phill Spencer has his heart in the right place and all, but yeah, corporate Microsoft is corporate Microsoft.

Not saying that's the case here (I don't think so), but they never change as seen by some Windows 11/Edge changes of late.


I'm always afraid of Microsoft being too successful and instantly reverting most of their good will. It's in their genes.

 

[Fess]

I doubt that it's 90 days from the start, they've likely just given everyone a 90 day warning from now. People have been using dev mode since it came out which is longer than 90 days.

True, I had it active over a year and it was deactivated yesterday (and reactivated), just thought they had changed their policy recently