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Microsoft surpasses Apple to become most valuable US company
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Silent Viper
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What's Sony market value?
quickwhips
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this says more about apple losing value than Microsoft gaining value right? Either way that is a lot of money.
too much eslim
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Probably at $100 billion.
greyshark
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too much eslim
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yeah granted MS did some things to help their bottom line, but it's more about Apple dropping that low.
TeamGhobad
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ya buddy! give us the games now
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
Congratulations to MS. Well deserved.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Wow. WTF? Haven't tracked the tech giants lately. Didn't know Apple stock has dropped like 20% lately.
At one time Apple was worth more than Microsoft by probably $200 billion.
Good to see MS do well. Love em or hate them, the company is run well and their revenue streams are diversified.
Apple is doing great ever since they got the mojo back with U2 promoting iPods. However, the vast majoirty of their sales/profits come from their phones and app fees. All the other stuff like Macs, tablets, watches are a fraction of their business model.
At one time Apple was worth more than Microsoft by probably $200 billion.
Good to see MS do well. Love em or hate them, the company is run well and their revenue streams are diversified.
Apple is doing great ever since they got the mojo back with U2 promoting iPods. However, the vast majoirty of their sales/profits come from their phones and app fees. All the other stuff like Macs, tablets, watches are a fraction of their business model.
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Dee Dah Dave
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Now make Banjo 3 to celebrate
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sony has done great the last few years. They tanked hard about 5 years ago, but since the company's divisions have rebounded, the stock is doing fantastic since then. You could have bought Sony stock at around $10 5 years ago!
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Both.
Comparing YTD stock prices, MS is up 20%, Apple is flat. Comparing stock prices the past 2 months, MS is down 10%, Apple is down 25%.
Some reason Apple skyrocketed during the summer, but then crash landed the past 2 months.
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Chittagong
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It’s been long overdue for Apple, their stock rally hinged on the fact that their ability to sustain and rise their phone ASPs seemed otherworldly. Now this update cycle has made reality settle in, with XS being no upgrade at all, and XR seemingly exceeding what “mainsteam buyers” are willing to pay.
The irony is that Apple has had probably its biggest super cycle year ever with brand new iPad Pro form factors, brand new Apple Watch form factors, brand new iPhone form factors, all new iMac Pro, Airpods crushing it, and even a new Mac Mini. The entire lineup is rock solid, but consumer willingness to pay more seems to have come to an end.
Combine this with the fact that almost any new business line will either look too small to move the stock price (smart speakers), stagnating in execution (car), or technologically unfeasible (AR).
So there is no growth story. And with no growth, share price lose the optimism premium.
HeresJohnny
Member
Yeah, Apple just corn holed themselves releasing too many phones at too high a price point and now they've been cutting orders to suppliers and their stock has been downgraded. They're still an amazing success story, as is Microsoft.
Hari Seldon
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Their phones are too expensive and their laptops are not very good anymore. They need to lower their phone prices, release a small form factor model, and make their laptops competitive again with windows models in price and performance.
MrTroubleMaker
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Good, It's a bunch of BS they have been doing.
Ok MS spend more if that money on my favorite hobby
I think it says more about Microsoft being valued a little bit more accurately relative to Apple than anything else.
Microsoft is infrastructure. If they disappeared, it would cause real problems. Apple? They make toys. Laughably overvalued.
Oh, and Microsoft isn't a Silicon Valley company. No idea where that crap came from.
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Smartphones mirroring PC adoption and becoming a mature market. Consumers becoming more price sensitive and breaking out of the replace every 1 to 2 years. Also poor performance in China vs. Chinese companies.
Funny enough, MS had to deal with this very issue with Windows. The bridged the gap first with business services and Office business line, and diversified further into cloud, etc.
Going to be interesting to see if Apple can diversify successfully to justify their stock valuation.
Funny enough, MS had to deal with this very issue with Windows. The bridged the gap first with business services and Office business line, and diversified further into cloud, etc.
Going to be interesting to see if Apple can diversify successfully to justify their stock valuation.
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ReBurn
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The prices on all of the new products are outrageous. $800 starting price on Mac mini is ridiculous. $1,100 for the six core version is Insulting.
ReBurn
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Office 365 has been a game changer. So many companies are tossing money at Microsoft to get off of on prem exchange and sharepoint and put them in the cloud.
cool_dude_resurrected
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Sony is the most valuable company in the world... I saw Sony TVs everywhere in Japan... I also saw PS4 Spiderman fly off the shelves but saw a wall of Microsoft keyboard during Black Fri... Sony, such a great company... Their market ticker (SNE) updates at an average 29.57 fps whereas Microsoft stutters along at 29.52 fps... Sony is smart to not go to E3... so much money saved... Poor Microsoft, catering to the fans... GamePass isn't real sales, so Sony dominates NPD.... I shudder to think about Polyphony releasing GT Sport: Championship Edition Beta in 2024.... Think about the Earth shattering sales... Cerny is a genius to be worshipped, as checkerboard engineering defeats chessboard any day... I'm buying another 1000 SNE shares tomorrow... Driveclub!
PSYGN
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I hope this is a joke post!
octiny
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LOLOLOL
LuvOfThaGame
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I understood that reference. Lol
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Here comes the obligatory question "Where are the games ?"
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
PC MASTER RACE, BRUH! lol
Vicetrailia
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Tech companies are slowing down in general.
FranXico
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Release everything on the Windows Store? Sure.
Why stop there? Just buy both NVidia and AMD and rent out premium graphics cards with contract plans.
Monopolies are great!
/j (in case it wasn't obvious)
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zwiggelbig
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More and more peoole are realizing that apple is waaaay overpriced. It used to not be this bad atleast.. and their tech advantage is bare to non.. its a shame what happend to them since steve is gone.
Halo is Back
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Lort
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Microsofts real competition is Apple and Google, pc + console games are smaller than mobile games market in revenue.
Would make sense to buy Sony.
https://www.mobvista.com/en/blog/mo...aming-combined-still-growing-always-changing/
FranXico
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It might make sense for MS, but Sony would have to want to be merged. Anything is possible, of course. We'll see in the next few years how things pan out.
FranXico
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Lort
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I was just about to say exactly that.
Z..
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I have plenty of love for MS, but I'm not sure what you mean here... How exactly is it well deserved if this is mainly precipitated by Apple taking a massive tumble?
Lort
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It is too expensive but its also faster than laptops in the same price point...
https://browser.geekbench.com/ios_devices/56
Geekbench 11248 - iphone xs
http://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/8650143
Geekbench 7414 - surface pro i5
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Chairman Tickles
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These market valuations are as realistic and stable as bitcoin/crypto prices. (not very).
LOL Not even close. It’s 62 Billion LOL
phil_t98
#SonyToo
I think this post single handly killed of "HIM" commenting on this hahaha well done
KonradLaw
Member
They go down and up, but I don't think they're unrealistic. Microsoft is a company that generated 90 billion dollars revenue last year. And those revenue sources are pretty damn stable. So to see them valued at 700 billion isn't unrealistic
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
what a pointless comparison tho xD