...or we're tired of charlatanism.
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Microsoft talks about a Kinect future, wants it in every device (Kinect 2 sighted?)
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...or we're tired of charlatanism.
What about the touchpad, PSMove, and Stereo Camera?
Everyone is trying gimmicky shit right now because of how hot the Wi''s flash in the pan was, not to mention how hot Kinect's flash in the pan was. Mattrick saying this stuff doesn't mean it's going to be forced into all their games, it sounds like they want the UI and dashboard of their software to be Kinect friendly, or maybe Kinect focused.
All I'm saying is let's all wait and see before we all doom the Nextbox because of some comments about Kinect.
CadetMahoney
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MS must be really confident in Kinect 2 if they want it every device suddenly. Be some serious meltdowns on Gaf if it ends up as a viable input device and used mainstream. ppl will be referencing Gaf comments for years with some hard-line deniers still clinging on that it's garbage. 
ppl in other threads where saying $60 bom for kinect 2.
ppl in other threads where saying $60 bom for kinect 2.
The article doesnt even mention Xbox...
I think everyone shits on move as well. There is nothing redeeming about it. The only good thing about Kinect is voice recognition for which you do not need Kinect as there are advanced voice recognition systems out there.
This article has nothing to do with xbox, or even gaming. Regarding Sony, did you miss the 3d camera? lightbar on the controller? touchpad? move dancing demo? sixaxis support? If not, I don't know how you can suggest they have no gimmicks at all (regardless of whether you like these gimmicks).
Except when they started making that prediction, Cell was a) stupidly expensive and b) not already halfway to being implemented in lots of things.
Look how much stuff already has *a* camera and *a* microphone in it. Is it really a stretch to suggest that putting a second camera and an extra microphone to allow for more advanced recognition is likely?
Punchpudding
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Well this attitude is exactly the problem isn't it? How can you be tired of a thing that hasn't even been announced/tried yet? It is, funny enough, also exactly what a right wing fundamentalist might say to dismiss a point too.
Sure I was disappointed in what Kinect turned out to be but to hate on the technology itself seems weird. We want technologies like Minority Report or Star Trek interfaces don't we? But it comes from risk and innovation. If it fails it fails but to ask companies to not even try so that we can stick to our traditions isn't all that great either.
I don't like Kinect, I'm just waiting to see how Microsoft uses it, and to what degree. If it's like a main focus of the UI and featured in some games, then I'm fine with that. If it's like a must-use feature in all of their first-party games or something then I'll be pissed.
OldJadedGamer
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And like the republican party, they think they are in the majority until election day comes.
plus kinect is already being put to cool use in the real world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85b87FKecU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMdk2wpeTsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVZVnX9IrI0
those are just marketing gimmicks, but the uses in other fields like robotics and medical are pretty well documented. I just chose those since they're not just tech demos
LG too
Ol No Bones
Banned
Well pretty much nothing is confirmed. Most of the rumors don't seem solid. I wouldn't call the ps4 a powerhouse though I think they made very good choices. I'm just gonna wait till the thing is announced before I make any judgments. If ms can't do better than Sony I will be disappointed cause the ps4 announcement was underwhelming to me. Probably will buy both either way.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Just wait until Windows 10. Touch? No. Kinect!
lazorexplosion
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Ahahah what is this stealth praise for republicans on GAF? Because on the pro-kinect side we have people so lost in naive hyped fantasies that they believe the kinect is right around the corner from recognizing not just him perfectly, but him and his kitchen and his stove and his chopped fucking vegetables when this is actual reality of the kinect as it is now. So yeah, I'm pretty much calling the republicans the realists on this one.
ChosenPredator
Banned
I find it odd how no one ever says anything about ps4 having almost all the same gimmicks, I don't know if it's because Kinect is more successful so more people shit on it or just no one thinks ps4 wouldn't want a piece of that success pie if something strikes the iron hot.
Gillian Seed
Banned
So much This!
Wut? The whole article is about where kinect is going, not the about the actual reality right now. Yah, the kinect v1 has serious limitations. If the new kinect is more accurate, doesn't that solve lots of problems?
Beermeister
Banned
Time to change the future. Where's Marty McFly and Doc when we need them?
OldJadedGamer
Banned
I never thought of that...
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Mainly because Sony didn't drop core support in favor of pushing Move 95%.
I think people might have been looking forward to kinect, but after a massive marketing blitz and millions sold, what has it actually delivered? It's a nice interface for dance games and that's about it, other games are just using it as an expensive microphone.
Surely kinect leaves a sour taste ithe mouth of many people that bought into it, and anyway is that the market that'll be buying an expensive console at launch?
Meicyn
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Technology will never get better, ever. Didn't you know? The Kinect has a paltry 640x480 camera which severely hampers its accuracy, but hey, here's a Steel Battalion video from Youtube. Motion controls will never be better, ever. We have hit the ceiling folks. This is as good as it will ever get.
So we believe the snake oil this time, even though it was bullshit last time? Why, because secretly we all want to be Tom cruise? Let them show something amazing and then let us decide, but they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt IMO.
CadetMahoney
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MS core output has been the same for a long time. In another thread someone dropped the argument because all they could lament was the loss of no crackdown sequel "because of kinect".
Meicyn
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See, that's fair. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt, but I do wish people would at least give them the chance to prove themselves.
I don't think there is anything to see. The article says it's integrated in the TVs. You can see it, but it's just 3 dots on the bezel
REMEMBER CITADEL
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It's not just GAF, it's core gamers in general, and there's not a lot that is surprising about it. They behave like every other closed group faced with a threat of the outside world invading their cozy, exclusive space - they retreat into the underground, fortify around their niche interest and become increasingly averse to change.
lazorexplosion
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Believing that it's suddenly going to be developed into something perfectly accurate and meanwhile done so cheaply it's not going to add much to the cost of the console is already in the realm of fantasy... but even that misses the larger point that the kinect cannot control a character in a 3D space. That's terrible. You have to hold a controller the whole time in a kinect controlled game. What is the kinect adding here except problems?
Punchpudding
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A moderate conservative. That's a much better attitude than simply condemning companies for even trying/researching. I think technology progresses and the idea (gesture based controls) is sound even though MS and other companies have not delivered on it yet.
The difference is focus and push of the companies. Thats why you see more feathers ruffled by Xbox fans who dont like Kinect when this is brought up. With Sony we know its never been a huge focus or taking valuable resources. MS on the otherhand has given it complete focus, integrated it into 360 before the gen was even out and have seen success with it.
In other words if i didnt like move/pseye i wouldnt be concerned about Sonys focus given their track record and how liitle they showed or cared so far about showing it off with PS4. If i didnt like Kinect going into Durango I would be very concerned about focus and resources. Also depends on what kind of gamer you are. For those CoD/Halo/Madden only players they will probably be relatively unaffected. For those family gamers or just regular gamers who enjoyed Kinect this gen are probably pretty excited right now. Everyone else has some real mulling over to do in the next 6 months of what they really want out of their console next gen and who will meet those want and needs.
Flatline
Banned
You're saying it as if it's a good thing. Sony went from being a relatively small publisher to one of the best publishers in the industry this gen and Microsoft is still stuck publishing 3 good franchises of which one isn't even theirs.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Because of the Core dudes!!!!
lazorexplosion
Member
Or maybe core gamers have a good idea of what does and does not make a good interface for gaming. It's like calling stenographers right wing for wanting a practical stenotype instead of being hyped about minority report sci-fi interfaces where they have to wave their arms in the air all day for no obvious gain in practicality... but motion gaming fans seem to be fans of them too because terrible taste in practical interfaces.
AgentP
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Based on the leaked specs the new Kinect is 23% higher resolution for depth data. Let's hope MS can do something with that meager bump.
CadetMahoney
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Really? No expectations no loss. I can't complain about something that was never there. They're allegedly doing 4 new ips next gen however, not that I expect them all to be something I would like anyway.
the leaked specs have a depth resolution of 2.8x the original
also 6.75x the color resolution
where are you getting 23%?
Flatline
Banned
Actually there was loss, but not that important for some. Rare used to make actual games before they turned it into a shell of its former self. Lionhead released a Kinect game too and from the people who bailed out it seems it didn't turn out well there either.
Anyway, the point is that in the new era of no more 3rd party exclusives Sony adopted, Microsoft did not.
Nemesis121
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The only way Kinect works for me, if am still holding my controller and doing small hand gestures, head tracking, like walking forward in an FPS but able to look around, but a full Kinect game is shit, do not want...
Personally I think Sony have shown more backing of research in this area with the work done by the renowned songsmith Richard Marx for the past ten years or so, both in image processing and more recently in AR. Eyetoy, PSEye and move are product experiments borne out of that research. Not always wildly successful, but you can see them improving over time.