I think its just business as usual and expected but at least we don’t see Sony posting stuff like this on their twitter timeline:Good.
I mean, if Sony can moneyhat Final Fantasy, Deathloop, GhostWire Tokyo, Forspoken etc. why we should be angry when Microsoft will do this?
I think its just business as usual and expected but at least we don’t see Sony posting stuff like this on their twitter timeline:
I think its just business as usual and expected but at least we don’t see Sony posting stuff like this on their twitter timeline:
I'm not the one sat here saying one way or the other is the "right" way. You don't want to pay for your games anymore because you see everything as fully disposable, that's your choice. That kind of service has always existed and will always exist, it's called renting. Personally I couldn't give a shit though, I already have a purchased library of well over over 1500 games, the vast majority of which I've made a conscious decision to purchase at some point.
No matter how much the evangelists scream, the reality is that the sales figures are showing us for every person that is deciding to subscribe to one of these services there are still more people who are willing to pay full price for new games and/or discounted prices for games that go on sale (yes, you don't have to only buy games at full price, something that is always conveniently left out of these arguments, it's not $70 or nothing at all). If only being given the option to purchase certain games was so evil while services such as gamepass are so "pro-consumer" then why are people even buying games at all anymore?
But the bottom line is this - let's not act like subscription services are being created and heavily marketed to us with our best interests at heart when the end goal is to keep everyone infinitely subscribed while owning diddly-squat. If you want to enjoy it then enjoy (you should considering the relative low prices at the moment) but don't act like the people who want to hand pick and purchase the games they want are wrong. They will still have stuff to play and something to show for the money they've spent if the service were to ever end (or if their sub lapses), you won't.
I think there is a meaningful difference between groups of users gatekeeping and a platform holder buying exclusivity either timed or full.we don’t see Sony posting stuff like this on their twitter timeline:
I think its just business as usual and expected but at least we don’t see Sony posting stuff like this on their twitter timeline:
Since i can fire up my smartphone and play Xbox first-party games that way...or through console...or through PC (native or streaming), that does not seem like big deal.
Meanwhile, there is certain company that forces you to buy their console to play their first-party and moneyhatted stuff..
So...there's that...
Doesn't feel like gatekeeping on Xbox. You can play games on basically every device where Xbox app is available.
Not any worse than that "how do i trade games" video from Sony.I think its just business as usual and expected but at least we don’t see Sony posting stuff like this on their twitter timeline:
Of course Xbox is doing it because it is megacorporation and wants to profit. That's their goal. I don't believe any corporation have a high moral standard. They are just pretending for PR reasons.You still have to pay for the device and service that makes it possible, just like you have to pay for a console and software to make it possible.
I’m not saying what they are doing is wrong and I like their efforts with Xcloud for example but their messaging gives off a ”holier-than-thou”- feeling that leaves a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. Skip that and I won’t complain at all. Its megacorporation vs megacorporation, lets not pretend one has some kind of great superior moral standard over the other one.
Console warring has to stay alive some how, mate. Didn't you know that when MS does it, it's because they are trying to buy the console industry. Just go with the narrative.Good.
I mean, if Sony can moneyhat Final Fantasy, Deathloop, GhostWire Tokyo, Forspoken etc. why we should be angry when Microsoft will do this?
Sony took their chance to strike PR gold in response to one of the most heavily critiziced parts of Xbox try to enforce DRM on an industry that never had it before.Not any worse than that "how do i trade games" video from Sony.
MS also took their chance to strike PR. They did the same with crossplay. Many people hate exclusives and many people love crossplay.Sony took their chance to strike PR gold in response to one of the most heavily critiziced parts of Xbox try to enforce DRM on an industry that never had it before.
I don’t see the same criticism towards exclusive games in general. In fact, every good move Xbox has done in the last year that has been righfully celebrated by fans have been pretty much all about getting exclusive content.
But they are still working towards and are heavily celebrated by their fans for getting exclusives, you can’t eat the cake and have it. That’s my main point of the argument. Inconsistent messaging.MS also took their chance to strike PR. They did the same with crossplay. Many people hate exclusives and many people love crossplay.
The big difference is that Xbox + Pc + Smartphone + Tablets + TVs and whatever is not exclusive anymore, because they don't force people to buy specigfic hardware. Almost everybody has one of thoses devices already at home and could play the games.But they are still working towards and are heavily celebrated by their fans for getting exclusives, you can’t eat the cake and have it. That’s my main point of the argument. Inconsistent messaging.
Except you're skirting the "exclusive to their service" part.The big difference is that Xbox + Pc + Smartphone + Tablets + TVs and whatever is not exclusive anymore, because they don't force people to buy specigfic hardware. Almost everybody has one of thoses devices already at home and could play the games.
I don't see there any problem. If it was on PS5 you would have to pay 70-80 bucks, the service is much cheaper and you are also not forced to buy 500 bucks hardware as you have to for Sony games.Except you're skirting the "exclusive to their service" part.
So if PSnow would become available on tablets, phones and smart-TVs the content on it can’t be considered exclusive? I mean its already available on PC to some extent.I don't see there any problem. If it was on PS5 you would have to pay 70-80 bucks, the service is much cheaper and you are also not forced to buy 500 bucks hardware as you have to for Sony games.
It's about as true as me finding a duffle bag with a million dollars in unmarked bills walking to my truck last night lol. These wanna be insiders are getting old.Lame if true.
Not comparable. Not every game, not day1. In other words still (timed) exclusive. Like it or not, but at the moment is Sony gatekeeping while MS is not.So if PSnow would become available on tablets, phones and smart-TVs the content on it can’t be considered exclusive? I mean its already available on PC to some extent.
Its not really the same thing, but most of all 1st party exclusives has become available after about a year on PSnow, give or take.
Sony having exclusives is "gatekeeping" now? That's the new narrative? What about Nintendo? What about mobile? Why can't I play those games on everything?Not comparable. Not every game, not day1. In other words still (timed) exclusive. Like it or not, but at the moment is Sony gatekeeping while MS is not.
I was specifically talking to skit_data about MS and Sony, no need to get defensive.Sony having exclusives is "gatekeeping" now? That's the new narrative? What about Nintendo? What about mobile? Why can't I play those games on everything?
That's fine. I don't buy this new gatekeeping nonsense. I don't care which companies you're talking about. How do you think it should go? Should the next spiderman game go on xbox as well just to be nice? Halo on ps5?I was specifically talking to skit_data about MS and Sony, no need to get defensive.
Halo would be on PS5 if Sony wanted to.That's fine. I don't buy this new gatekeeping nonsense. I don't care which companies you're talking about. How do you think it should go? Should the next spiderman game go on xbox as well just to be nice? Halo on ps5?
Source needed.Halo would be on PS5 if Sony wanted to.
So I can buy, download and play offline natively any MS game on a Mac or Smartphone or Tablet?The big difference is that Xbox + Pc + Smartphone + Tablets + TVs and whatever is not exclusive anymore, because they don't force people to buy specigfic hardware. Almost everybody has one of thoses devices already at home and could play the games.
"Gatekeeping, Anti-Consumer, Censorship"Hmm, gatekeeping is now being used as incorrectly as censorship
You are adding additional requirements. Whether that requirement is 'mandatory' for a user is very subjective similar to being able to play a physical disc without additional downloads.play offline natively
Fine, if Xbox definition of being all inclusive is the gold standard definition everyone else should be kept to then I see no point in arguing otherwise. I can’t win that argument.Not comparable. Not every game, not day1. In other words still (timed) exclusive. Like it or not, but at the moment is Sony gatekeeping while MS is not.
You are adding additional requirements. Whether that requirement is 'mandatory' for a user is very subjective similar to being able to play a physical disc without additional downloads.
I can't stream games reliably over wifi. At all times anyway. I doubt anyone can.You are adding additional requirements. Whether that requirement is 'mandatory' for a user is very subjective similar to being able to play a physical disc without additional downloads.
I'm not the one sat here saying one way or the other is the "right" way. You don't want to pay for your games anymore because you see everything as fully disposable, that's your choice. That kind of service has always existed and will always exist, it's called renting. Personally I couldn't give a shit though, I already have a purchased library of well over over 1500 games, the vast majority of which I've made a conscious decision to purchase at some point.
No matter how much the evangelists scream, the reality is that the sales figures are showing us for every person that is deciding to subscribe to one of these services there are still more people who are willing to pay full price for new games and/or discounted prices for games that go on sale (yes, you don't have to only buy games at full price, something that is always conveniently left out of these arguments, it's not $70 or nothing at all). If only being given the option to purchase certain games was so evil while services such as gamepass are so "pro-consumer" then why are people even buying games at all anymore?
But the bottom line is this - let's not act like subscription services are being created and heavily marketed to us with our best interests at heart when the end goal is to keep everyone infinitely subscribed while owning diddly-squat. If you want to enjoy it then enjoy (you should considering the relative low prices at the moment) but don't act like the people who want to hand pick and purchase the games they want are wrong. They will still have stuff to play and something to show for the money they've spent if the service were to ever end (or if their sub lapses), you won't.
I have finished a couple of games via xcloud on WiFi flawlessly and have had probably 90% hit rate on Hades.I doubt anyone can
Who said anything about the price or Sony? You said they're not exclusive. I'm saying if you don't have a gaming PC the only way to access them would be through their service. That is a fact.I don't see there any problem. If it was on PS5 you would have to pay 70-80 bucks, the service is much cheaper and you are also not forced to buy 500 bucks hardware as you have to for Sony games.
I'll answer that for him. No, you can't.Leave that out. Can I download, install and play on any other OS or mobile device natively?
Leave what out? The fact that you are adding additional requirements to the persons comment. You are doing it.Leave that out. Can I download, install and play on any other OS or mobile device natively?
Streaming is not the future. Digital downloads? Absolutely. It's already been that way on PC for years.Leave what out? The fact that you are adding additional requirements to the persons comment. You are doing it.
But my point is that's a opinion on the best way to play a game. Factually you can play a game via streaming.Streaming is not the future.
One option is objectively better though. You can have a preference for a worse experience all you want. Some people still watch DVD's and VHS's for god's sake.But my point is that's a opinion on the best way to play a game. Factually you can play a game via streaming.
So you are saying that it's about Sega game? /sThe only reason a dev would be "ecstatic" about taking a payout deal like this is if they really needed the money and/or were angling for a MS buyout down the line.
Leave what out? The fact that you are adding additional requirements to the persons comment. You are doing it.
"Almost everybody has one of thoses devices already at home and could play the games."
If you believe that the only way to play the game is natively, then you can have that opinion just like someone's opinion that the only way to watch a movie is via blu-ray or a specific screen.