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Miss Teen Delaware, former porn actress?

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Laughing Banana

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Why are they given a skill testing question then?
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I don't know, for appearance? To mask the shallowness of the entire endeavor?

I am mindblowned by the seemingly fact that some here honestly believe that sex appeal is not a large part of beauty pageants. Do you honestly believe a person with unattractive physical features can win one of those things?
 

shira

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I don't know, for appearance? To mask the shallowness of the entire endeavor?

I am mindblowned by the seemingly fact that some here honestly believe that sex appeal is not a large part of beauty pageants. Do you honestly believe a person with unattractive physical features can win one of those things?
Wouldn't an attractive person just be a model.

I think a pageant person would have to be a great spaker, role model, and like doing volunteer work
 
I don't know, for appearance? To mask the shallowness of the entire endeavor?

I am mindblowned by the seemingly fact that some here honestly believe that sex appeal is not a large part of beauty pageants. Do you honestly believe a person with unattractive physical features can win one of those things?

Then why does my fully heterosexual mom and sister love watching pageants? Sorry I'm using a small sample size here, but if you want a larger sample size you're free to ask some users on the pageant forums.

And I'm not saying that these girls are athletes, but think about how fit a woman has to be to play basketball, tennis, soccer, volleyball, cross country etc. 99% of them have shapely figures as well.
 

Laughing Banana

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Then why does my fully heterosexual mom and sister love watching pageants? Sorry I'm using a small sample size here, but if you want a larger sample size you're free to ask some users on the pageant forums.

And I'm not saying that these girls are athletes, but think about how fit a woman has to be to play basketball, tennis, soccer, volleyball, cross country etc. 99% of them have shapely figures as well.

Are you denying that physical attractiveness does not play a large factor in beauty pageants?
 

lenovox1

Member
...You literally contradict the first sentence with the second sentence there.

Of course it's about sex. It's ALL about sex, showing these beautiful women that men want to have sex with. How could you possibly think it's anything but that?

The second sentence had more to do with the origins of the pageant. Miss America was created to get people up to Atlantic City. Miss USA was created as a swimwear pageant. They were all about sex and the appeal of a "nice, young thing."

The first sentence had more to do with the modern ideal of the pageant. Heck, the only thing the winner of Miss America gets is a scholarship and the opportunity to promote their pet cause for a year. At least Miss USA gets an apartment and a modeling contact.

You have to be pretty good with a makeup brush, but beauty isn't the end all be all with these things. In Miss America, their poise and beauty counts for around a third of their score (gown + swimwear), their intelligence, platform, and speaking skills are another third (interview + final question), and their talent makes up the final third.

What used to be a competition that was simply about pretty young ladies sashaying across the stage while wearing sponsored swimsuits (and it's still that in part) has tried to modernize a bit and become more than that. That goes for both of the main pageant systems.

I could have explained that much better the first time around, but I was sleepy.
 

jaxword

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You have to be pretty good with a makeup brush, but beauty isn't the end all be all with these things. In Miss America, their poise and beauty counts for around a third of their score (gown + swimwear), their intelligence, platform, and speaking skills are another third (interview + final question), and their talent makes up the final third.

You seriously think anyone cares about their intelligence and "talent"?

Show me one winner who was fat/ugly/universally unappealing but had talent and intelligence. If your argument is true, then the two thirds that are talent and intelligence should be enough to overcome that.
 

lenovox1

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You seriously think anyone cares about their intelligence and "talent"?

Show me one winner who was fat/ugly/universally unappealing but had talent and intelligence. If your argument is true, then the two thirds that are talent and intelligence should be enough to overcome that.

Now how would that happen? If you're going up against fit, pretty girls who also happen to be intelligent and "talented," why would the "fat" or "ugly" girl take it?

ETA: There might be more examples of women losing the Miss America pageant because they couldn't put two sentences together. Miss USA has let through some real doozies (Carrie Prejean anyone?), but they even seem to be few and far between in that competition.
 

jaxword

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What is it that makes you think that plain and simple "sex" is anywhere near the same thing as having sex for money, on camera, for worldwide distribution?

I think a better question is why you think "plain and simple" sex is somehow more worthy of a beauty pageant crown than the other.

Now how would that happen? If you're going up against fit, pretty girls who also happen to be intelligent and "talented," why would the "fat" or "ugly" girl take it?

It wouldn't happen, that's right, because you know very well that the talent and intelligence mean nothing because it's a BEAUTY pageant.
 

jaxword

Member
It's a competition where you are judged based on performance. Whether you want to call it a traditional sport or competition is up to you. Just like pageants themselves, the classification is subjective.

A "performance" based upon beauty, which is sex appeal. What other purpose does beauty have?
 

lenovox1

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It wouldn't happen, that's right, because you know very well that the talent and intelligence mean nothing because it's a BEAUTY pageant.

What? In order for your scenario to work, the "fat" girl would have to go up against women who were dumb as posts in order to win.

Look, there are terrible stories all over the web of sponsors, local organizers, and horrible people around the contestants pressuring them to lose weight in Miss America's case. I just found an article on Bing about a Miss San Antonio getting her crown stripped (and then given her crown back by a judge, because there's nothing against rules about getting fat) because of her weight. But the official propaganda from the mothership doesn't deal with issues of weight or attractiveness. They're just looking to hand out scholarships to well-rounded, well-spoken, community minded women.

This story deals with the Miss USA organization, which is a modeling pageant. But even in that case, there are going to be standards that will need to be met. If Trump wants to exclude people that have done nudes, then, whatever. I don't really see how that's hypocritical when all modeling jobs have standards. This one just comes with a dinky tiara if you win the title.
 
Yeah that was a terrible performance shame she had to lose her crown over that wack shit.
Yeah, it was pretty crap.

OTOH, props to the GDP guy for gloving up. It's a big underlying issue with STI's (and general fluid-transmitted diseases, like Hep or AIDS) in the industry, yet a lot of mainstream houses refuse to acknowledge the problem.

Wish he would've used an ultrathin, though. Much less distracting than what appears to be one of those shittastic nitrile ones.
 
Video is shit, as are most of the videos that I've seen from that site.

Too bad.

Maybe she will be forced into more work with better sites.
 
Look she can parade around in a swimsuit and other costumes for no real reason than being aesthetically pleasing but having sex is just going much too far.

If nothing else, the different impact on female psychology these two activities typically produce provides us a principled basis for treating them -- and people who engage in them -- differently. To the extent that this is true, such differential treatment is not "hypocrisy."

Intuitively, for most women there is a difference between hopping in a bikini as if one were heading to the beach, issuing a silly statement about world peace or what have you, and calling it a day, and driving to a dingy hotel to get fucked and treated as an object by a stranger you don't know, respect, or aren't even necessarily attracted to, all for a small sum of cash and with the knowledge that your potentially unpleasant experience will be uploaded to the internet for an indeterminately large audience regardless of your wishes because its producers genuinely think of you as meat. Oh, and having a big wad blown in your face/hair. Ew!

That said, I don't think the (uncontroversial) fact that the two activities are significantly different and thus to be handled differently justifies shaming, which I think is extremely unproductive and, well, a shame. But let's not pretend either that porn is generally just "sex" as you and I (presumably) engage it. Perhaps some future idealized version will be as such and no principled reason will exist for treating it differently; as it stands, this isn't the case and it seems much more like yet another mechanism for projecting male dominance and the objectification of women, something that puts them "in their place."
 

lenovox1

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That's a Miss Teen USA contestant; I was talking about Miss America in that quote. Miss USA is modeling pageant (As opposed to Miss American being a scholarship pageant), so the standards are a bit different.

This young woman was a Miss Delaware Teen USA, so she wasn't competing for scholarship money. She was competing for a chance to be seen. Even so, the Miss USA organization claims to want women that "are savvy, goal-oriented[,] aware" and can fit in a size 2. And they don't want women that have done porn.
 
That's a Miss Teen USA contestant; I was talking about Miss America in that quote. Miss USA is modeling pageant (As opposed to Miss American being a scholarship pageant), so the standards are a bit different.

This young woman was a Miss Delaware Teen USA, so she wasn't competing for scholarship money. She was competing for a chance to be seen. Even so, the Miss USA organization claims to want women that "are savvy, goal-oriented[,] aware" and can fit in a size 2. And they don't want women that have done porn.

At the end of the day, they're all shallow contests, which I'm sure good people partake in for excellent reasons, like that scholarship money you keep mentioning. People are simply objecting to the desire to polish beauty pageants up as something more than what they are: contests bound primarily in social constructs of physical aesthetic and antiquated mores.
 

Aselith

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After viewing the tape, seems like a Kim Kardashian level of work. She should be banned from pageants for life for being a bad lay.
 

KuroNeeko

Member
???

I'm pretty sure she knew exactly what she was getting into. A miscalculation of judgement perhaps, but explain to me how you think she could have been "tricked"?

I'm pretty sure he's just trolling. There was a thread a while back where a guy found some girls he knew in an online adult video and refused to believe that they signed off on it claiming that they must have been "tricked into it."
 

Cloudy

Banned
The biggest scandal in this story is the fact she only got paid $1500. WTF she might as well go be a proper whore. Probably pays better and no one will have video of you for all the world to see.
 

Aselith

Member
The biggest scandal in this story is the fact she only got paid $1500. WTF she might as well go be a proper whore. Probably pays better and no one will have video of you for all the world to see.

It was her first video. Generally, you make not too much your first time then more as your popularity grows. Not much opportunity for growth as a prostitute (unless you are a male whore.) $1500 first time doesn't seem too bad and your average prostitute is gonna make...maybe a few hundred?
 

Trin

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The biggest scandal in this story is the fact she only got paid $1500. WTF she might as well go be a proper whore. Probably pays better and no one will have video of you for all the world to see.

YouPorn is allegedly offering her 250 grand now to be their spokesperson. Maybe not the worst decision in the end.
 

Cloudy

Banned
She is pretty good looking. Unless I'm mistaken about prostitution, I would imagine she'd make a lot more as a stripper who does extra or a call girl. And without the public humiliation! $1500 is about how much I thought random porn dudes got paid lol
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
She is pretty good looking. Unless I'm mistaken about prostitution, I would imagine she'd make a lot more as a stripper who does extra or a call girl. And without the public humiliation! $1500 is about how much I thought random porn dudes got paid lol

But she sucks at her job.
 

LakeEarth

Member
I was wondering, how in the world did they find out that the woman in the video was Miss Teen Delaware?

Then I watched the video. She actually said right in the interview phase of the video that she was in pageants. That's straight up begging the internet to figure out who she is.
 
Being hot only makes up for being terrible in bed.

Who said anything about being terrible in bed? Being bad at porn =/= being terrible in bed, just like being great at porn =/= being an amazing lay (even if there may be some correlation).

Besides, a lot of people would probably be too self-conscious to deliver a great performance if it's their first time on film. The camera changes the dynamic drastically.
 
I checked out her video and yeah... she's bad at sex. Then again I've seen some first time porn videos from famous porn stars and they were pretty bad at it but their hotness makes up for it (which she doesn't really have due to her lack of boobs/ass).
 
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