There's no transgender restroom, and she was genetically born a man, has yet to remove the defining sexual organ, so what hypothetical harm are you suggesting would come from this student using the same restroom they have probably been using their entire life? Since you seem to be content with putting the hypothetical inconveniencing of one person over several who are on record as uncomfortable.
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Missouri Teenagers Protest a Transgender Students Use of the Girls Bathroom
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There's no transgender restroom, and she was genetically born a man, has yet to remove the defining sexual organ, so what hypothetical harm are you suggesting would come from this student using the same restroom they have probably been using their entire life? Since you seem to be content with putting the hypothetical inconveniencing of one person over several who are on record as uncomfortable.
Horsemama1956
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A person can think what they want. Nothing wrong with that.
You're saying you've never had thoughts that others on this board would disagree with the same way people on here deal with gender stuff? I really doubt it.
I disagree with the media stuff, but I don't have a problem with the issue at hand.
Schweinehund
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Don't care about bathrooms, locker rooms are a complicated situation, and the school did offer her a room, so I don't think anyone's in the wrong.
Barack Lesnar
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I've got a question. The article says she began identifying as a girl at age 13. Let's say a kid began identifying as a girl tomorrow (how about an 18 year old) but still wore traditional male clothing, should she still be allowed to go into the girl's room? Or how about if the girl we're talking about here 'identified as a girl' but still wore all men's clothing. How does that work?
Okay the issue here is that for generations it has not been "civilised" to share a restroom with the opposite sex. Obviously there's an issue here as people brought up that way aren't comfortable. That's basically everyone who isn't transgender or has been thoroughly educated on the issues that affect them.
Basically, for everyone else, they deal with it from having empathy first, not actual understanding. And that empathy is lessoned. It doesn't happen on its own, which is why a school[/i[ should be the perfect place for that education to take place. But it's not.
Some places, in order for some policy to work for you, you gotta be identified as trans by an external body. I don't know if it has changed but in the UK it was (at least) a case where you had to go two years "living as a girl" for it to not be an offense and to be able to write down female on certain things. I don't know the full details, but I'd imagine that it changes for different states.
But above all, the school itself can choose to have its own policy that is more open or equal to the rights proposed by federal policy, but not any less. So like, the school can say "as long as this child identifies as a specific gender and we are informed prior, they can immediately use facilities for that gender" -- if they want to.
I put confidence in the fear high school students have of being punished.
outunderthestars
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Well, as the parent of a transgendered child, I say "go to hell" and this conversation is from from "done here"
Could happen in either bathroom. As I said earlier, teenage girls can be just as vile & violent as their male counterparts, so I'd worry for her safety in both rooms.
Definitely.
M0nochromatic
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I admire your optimism for future generations. I wish that my experiences with people my own age and younger were so progressive.
Kite
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A girl with a penis, locker rooms are separated by gender for a reason. I won't blame the high school girts for being uncomfortable around someone who has the outward appearance of a guy in their locker room.
QueenOfThorns
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What? How is there nothing wrong with thinking and believing harmful things.
Do you think the boys are going to be more acceptable of her than the girls? Seriously? Being uncomfortable is fine, really, especially if it's their first time encountering someone. Being a jerk to them is a different beast though and that's what these girls are being.
Watch the generalizing there friend. I couldnt care less how someone lives their life. But if my underage daughter could possibly be in physical danger, i have a problem with it. Call it a trust issue. I dont trust people. Period.
Tell us how you really feel, seriously. What is she going to do?
I can only give you my personal experience. I started using the women's restroom after I've been out for a while, I had started hormones, and gotten some more feminine clothes. At this point there's no doubt that she's female. She should be able to use the women's restroom
Darth Karja
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If a teenage girl were to see my dick in a locker room I would be a paedophile. But its okay that they see this persons dick? If there was no dick involved then sure, use the locker room, but she has a penis, and the teenage girls saw it.
QueenOfThorns
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DontBeThatGuy
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Fine, be uncomfortable, but then how about trying out some education on the matter, some empathy, and not school wide protests of the highest assholish order.
Dude Abides
Banned
Stage a dramatic "protest" cause you don't like the different kid. Yep, sounds like high schoolers to me.
Are you seriously implying that a transgendered woman is dangerous? Like...seriously?
What danger is there?
DontBeThatGuy
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See, education is extremely important.
QueenOfThorns
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The fuck is this? If a teenage girl saw your dick you'd be a pedophile, because I'm assuming you're an adult and way past high school age, but if they saw another high schooler's penis and she's a girl it's.......what, exactly?
Shamrock7r
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I think you are overthinking just how fearful some students are of being punished, and how subtle bullying and rejection can be. Students can be quite cruel while being able to skirt being caught for anything.
Dongs Macabre
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It's far more likely for a trans people to be sexually assaulted than for a trans person to sexually assault someone.
What the fuck are you talking about?
So why do you trust the students who already associate with her?
And what physical danger does a transgender student present?
Are you implying something? No need to beat around the bush.
Do transgender people have the opposite gender brain?
I don't know shit about shit, and don't know any of the PC way of talking about it, so please take my promise of not meaning harm to be genuine.
So the question. A male born person that identifies as female - do they actually have a female brain? Just curious.
I don't know shit about shit, and don't know any of the PC way of talking about it, so please take my promise of not meaning harm to be genuine.
So the question. A male born person that identifies as female - do they actually have a female brain? Just curious.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Can be, but we have precedents we can consider.
QueenOfThorns
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Why do (underage) transgender girls pose a danger to your (underage) cis daughter?
This image looks mad onion-ish to me. Like, that's not her and a douchebag holding a sign behind her, but actors or something. Weird.
So...
"You make other people uncomfortable... please could you do your private business elsewhere?"
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I wouldn't want a boy in the same toilets as my daughter in a primary school, but if there was a transgender child there -- I'd just have to explain the situation for what it is. Not, "some girls have penises". The school needs to figure out how to educate those girls according to its views so this poor teen doesn't have to.
Please explain how this transgendered individual is dangerous
titiklabingapat
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Is it gonna take another Supreme Court ruling to shut these assholes up? I'll be okay with it.
QueenOfThorns
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Is your daughter home schooled? Pretty irresponsible of you if she isn't.
So why is your daughter allowed to be around anyone, then? Why single out the transgendered girl?
Barack Lesnar
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Here's the thing....there's biological females that identify as girls that dress in traditional boy's clothing.Everyone agrees with that, right? They're of course allowed to use the girl's bathroom and locker room. Using the reasoning in this thread so should a transgender student that identifies as a girl but still dresses like a boy, right? It would be intolerant not to allow her she's a girl since she identifies as one. That's what youre all saying.
John Kowalski
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Ah yes the uh, "Don't Let My Daughter Know What A Penis Looks Like" parenting policy.
Do you have any stats to reinforce your point? Not calling you a liar or anything like that, but I'm genuinely interested to see the figures of hate crimes against young trans boys & girls.
googleplex
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That isn't at all what he said and you should be ashamed of yourself for implying it.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
If you don't trust anyone (and totally not just trans people), then do you think it's okay for other cis girls to share a locker room with your daughter?
I was thinking the same thing. I think it's the framing and two mics shoved in front that seal the deal on making it look surreal.
I know what he is implying...
That perverts would be able to identify, take advantage of the lack of discrimination in an utopia for transgender people, and wouldn't want that to even be an issue.
Like, as if, that scenario is far more realistic than a lesbian assaulting another girl.
In which case, why not make sure lesbians go into different toilets?
Fuck it, teach them all Judo and put stickers on people so you know who to be careful around. Let's just assume everyone except his daughter is a sex offender. World is MAD scary.
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Truth is the transgender person is for more scared of what actually is the reality of how they are treated.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I'm not talking about hate crimes, I'm talking about high school boys being assholes lol
anyway, John Oliver on transgender rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmoAX9f6MOc
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