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[FaultTolerance]

I want people to grill Sony about that because I benefit from Sony feeling under the gun about it. I want suspend/resume asap.

I'd like to know what's going on with it too, but there's a good way and a bad way to go about it.

The good way would be to arrange an interview with someone at Sony who is authorized to speak about it and then ask some hard questions.

The bad way would be to show up at some Sony event, pick out an executive who may not be authorized to talk about it, and then try to force them to answer your questions.

If you pick the bad way, you'll have as much luck as Eurogamer did.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Additionally, I do think it's odd that you are trying to make me sound unbalanced here, and I'm not exactly sure how to respond to that.

Probably because I've never noticed your posts until the last few days and you appear to have a MS-leaning theme where you've pounced on people for not taking their PR at face value, and you're doing it again here. Nothing more sinister than that.

I can't really say why Microsoft has executives with loose lips and, as a result, is getting dragged over the coals, while Sony executives are able to keep their mouths shut and, as a result, is so far escaping unscathed.

Wrap your eyes round this Game Central interview from a few weeks back then, if you want to see Sony's Jim Ryan getting hauled over the coals a bit. If they're going to do an interview they should be prepared, and also prepared to do their homework beforehand and take a guess at what questions they're going to be asked, it's not difficult. If they can't do PR, then they shouldn't do it, don't blame the journalists for being unfair.

If you pick the bad way, you'll have as much luck as Eurogamer did.

It seems that there's no right way available, because MS don't know the answer.

 

[Gestault]

Day by day, the edited headline for this thread becomes more and more obtusely inaccurate. What report exists (as the single, initial report was corrected within hours of its posting) which conflicts with the claim that it's an ongoing platform development goal to allow retail XB1 systems to function as dev kits? At the time it was changed, the original report had already been corrected, which makes this even more odd.

The Tom Phillips interview was a bizarre one as well. He was asking questions to determine if the retail-as-dev-unit implementation was still in the works, and he was give unequivocal answers ("...we're committed to that same vision we outlined a year ago - that eventually anybody will be able to make games on their Xbox - to use their retail Xbox One to make games on." and "...people will be able to develop games on retail Xboxes."), yet the author acts as though because a representative not involved in that process didn't outline the specifics of how it will be enacted in the future, that it makes the most sense to characterize the interaction as vague in the opening lines, with a similarly postured headline. My opinion is that the tone and innuendo would leave many readers with an impression at odds with the realities of the situation. That said, the points pressed on the "Xbox first" publishing policies (while similarly pointed), are an absolutely fair (and I'd say necessary) topic.

 

[teiresias]

Day by day, the edited headline for this thread becomes more and more obtusely inaccurate. What report exists (as the single, initial report was corrected within hours of its posting) which conflicts with the claim that it's an ongoing platform development goal to allow retail XB1 systems to function as dev kits? At the time it was changed, the original report had already been corrected, which makes this even more odd.

I don't see what you're complaining about. The correction to the original story (ie. the statement from MS) doesn't say they're still going to make retail units into dev kits.

 

[FaultTolerance]

Probably because I've never noticed your posts until the last few days and you appear to have a MS-leaning theme where you've pounced on people for not taking their PR at face value, and you're doing it again here. Nothing more sinister than that.

In my defense, my account was just activated recently. There really hasn't been any big controversies yet other than this whole mess so I haven't had much chance to comment about much else that is substantial. It's a timing thing, nothing more sinister than that.

Wrap your eyes round this Game Central interview from a few weeks back then, if you want to see Sony's Jim Ryan getting hauled over the coals a bit. If they're going to do an interview they should be prepared, and also prepared to do their homework beforehand and take a guess at what questions they're going to be asked, it's not difficult. If they can't do PR, then they shouldn't do it, don't blame the journalists for being unfair.

I missed that article when it was published, but you are right, he does get slammed a bit.

It seems that there's no right way available, because MS don't know the answer.

Maybe they don't know exactly when it's coming. Maybe Sony doesn't know exactly when suspend/resume is coming. Maybe the interviewer of the article you posted is right and Sony and Microsoft should have made a gentlemen's agreement to delay the consoles for a year to get better prepared.

But it is what it is.

 

[Gestault]

I don't see what you're complaining about. The correction to the original story (ie. the statement from MS) doesn't say they're still going to make retail units into dev kits.

Neither does it say they aren't, and it does say the original report was inaccurate, and the string of interviews in the month before and the hours/days after the report are quite clear that it's still a development goal. The interview from today is additional, on-the-record claim to the contrary of what you're saying.

A report doesn't exist, to my knowledge, to inform the idea that there are "mixed" reports about whether XB1 retail units are planned to be usable as dev units. That's not a new development from the time the title was edited. You can certainly say specifics on the feature are limited, but the one claim to the contrary was recanted hours after its posting when the party involved contacted them about the inaccuracy, and the writer was one of a room full of reporters in the info session and was the only one to come away with the impression that the goal had been changed.

If you're aware of information to the contrary, I have no qualms with being corrected.

 

[serversurfer]

Day by day, the edited headline for this thread becomes more and more obtusely inaccurate. What report exists (as the single, initial report was corrected within hours of its posting) which conflicts with the claim that it's an ongoing platform development goal to allow retail XB1 systems to function as dev kits? At the time it was changed, the original report had already been corrected, which makes this even more odd.

The Tom Phillips interview was a bizarre one as well. He was asking questions to determine if the retail-as-dev-unit implementation was still in the works, and he was give unequivocal answers ("...we're committed to that same vision we outlined a year ago - that eventually anybody will be able to make games on their Xbox - to use their retail Xbox One to make games on." and "...people will be able to develop games on retail Xboxes."), yet the author acts as though because a representative not involved in that process didn't outline the specifics of how it will be enacted in the future, that it makes the most sense to characterize the interaction as vague in the opening lines, with a similarly postured headline. My opinion is that the tone and innuendo would leave many readers with an impression at odds with the realities of the situation. That said, the points pressed on the "Xbox first" publishing policies (while similarly pointed), are an absolutely fair (and I'd say necessary) topic.

"Mixed reports" seems reasonably accurate. First, they flatly denied it was still coming, and then they give us a bunch of vague platitudes about still being fully committed to their original vision.

Didn't they also tell us they're still fully committed to the original vision of the XBone itself? Why, yes they did, and it was Phil Spencer, no less. So that means DRM is definitely coming back, just like retail dev kits are definitely coming, right?