What a way to interpret what he said, wow :lol
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Miyamoto NY Times interview - game violence, Wii U reception, MoMA videogames
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What a way to interpret what he said, wow :lol
Mario Kart having online is a problem?
could you restate this?
yeah. cars aren't art. neither is a car manual. neither is sorry! from parker brothers.
it's not exactly the player input that matters, but that the game exists for player input. this is usually based on research from the designer in how they want to communicate with the audience.
i think people get hung up on what looks like someone talking down about their hobby, when i am just placing it in its correct category. while i agree with roger ebert's conclusion, i don't agree with the emotion or reasoning behind it.
tools don't make a project a work of design. that's like saying a painting is a work of design because someone had to create the canvas, build the brushes, and construct the frame.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I didn't just pick games. I listed Nintendo's own launch and first year software for the WiiU. NintendoLand doesnt even feature online leaderboards for fucks sake, a feature implemented in every single XBLA game.
Have you played NintendoLand??????
Explain in clear terms why cars are not or cannot be art.
This has nothing to do with Ebert. Personally, I would agree with his conclusion with the way he's been introduced to games, and especially after bad games that gamers tried to use to convince him that games are art ("Wordy fortune cookie" is the best description of Braid that I've seen.)
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Miiverse stuff aside, look at a game like Geometry Wars 2 and many others on XBLA where the competing against your friends scores stuff is just done front and centre. Makes more sense to me as an Arcade way of doing things.
megashock5
Member
I think (I know) I'm old, because I still think of video games as toys and probably always will. And I mean that in the best possible way.
CaptainFalafel
Banned
Sorry but that is stupid. Of course a game exist for player input, just like music exists for listning and paintings and sculptures exists for it to be seen. It's the nature of the medium.
Well I don't see it as you talking down on my hobby, in fact for the most part I agree that most games are a product of design and can't be considered as art. But what I don't agree with is that games as a medium can't be used for art, because that seems to be your point.
Good post.
Being a toy doesn't disqualify it from being art...
I wouldn't equate games to toys 100%, but they're definitely an evolution of things derived from toys, mechanical games (see: pinball), and table games. They also borrow from cartoons/comics/general illustrated arts, film, music, etc.
Sis Focaccia
Member
Shigs shouldn't retire, he should just quit doing PR interviews forever. He could do an in-depth interview once every 2 years, and spend the rest of the time making games with small teams made up of special talent, one or two games at the time. Overseeing 15 games at the time and doing marketing spiel interviews twice a month is just not the best way for him to be Miyamoto
You are extrapolating.
Thats quite ironic now.
Has he anything to say about Zelda?
Ping, Lag and guesstimates. Enjoy jumping on a platform that isn't actually there because your game is a bit behind everyone else's and they moved on.
That's why racers dart about on the course and who can get shot even if you thought you killed the other person.
And you know this... How?
Ingueferroque
Banned
I honestly thought he was referring to cubex55 on youtube with that last quote.
I think it's time for Miyamoto to retire. He's really out of touch and he's obviously holding Nintendo back. I don't even want to imagine how the internal teams really see him. It must be HELL.
It's a shame to see him fall behind like this. It's not something I would had expected. He appears to be very very closed minded about the gaming industry; and look at the game preservation quote.. This kind of thinking, in 2013?
I wish a real, no bs interview would happen with him. An ASK SHIGGY, uncut.
It's a shame to see him fall behind like this. It's not something I would had expected. He appears to be very very closed minded about the gaming industry; and look at the game preservation quote.. This kind of thinking, in 2013?
I wish a real, no bs interview would happen with him. An ASK SHIGGY, uncut.
Somehow you know seem to know with certainty that Miyamoto is holding Nintendo and its dev teams back... yet want some kind of "real, no bs interview... uncut" so you could learn something you already know?
What radical new gaming philosophies are there in 2013? Cinematic gameplay? B-movie stories? QTE? Pay to win? Slow motion animations of brutal moves? Tacking on terrible online multiplayer just because? I hope Shiggy never changes.
I also hope that Nintendo and Shiggy never change for reasons that are probably very different from yours.
I agree, video games are art, not just entertainment products whose only artistic value is their industrial design or something.
I can understand and somewhat agree with this sentiment coming from a consumer, but being that he is(was?) a "developer" I really don't think he considers himself creating art when designing a game, besides it's not like it's up to the creator to decide whether his work is art so I find it refreshing that he has some distance to his work. I would like to think that the real artists don't really consider themselves artists but rather that they just are doing what they are good at. On the flip side of the coin, all those self proclaimed artists are usually the people producing the least interesting work.
TheDrowningMan
Member
I'm pretty sure that it's just a wonky translation / poor choice of words and his response meant to encompass emulation, and I can't help but agree. There's something inherently special about playing a game on its native system.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Brera is basically EX farnham.
What a silly argument you're attempting to make. I guess graphic designers are incapable of creating art in their work.
I don't see what's so bad about that quote in particular.
Emulation is not a solution. Real, true preservation for a console or arcade game involves transistor-level simulation, which is... complex. Although, there's a somewhat functional simulation of the 6502 (which is actually what the NES processor is based off of, iirc), but it's very very slow even on today's best processors.
I suppose it becomes less of an issue when developers open source their games for a non-fixed spec platform written in a portable language, like Doom or Wolf3D for instance.
bequietdrive
Member
I really hope he means what he says about online, it's about time that Nintendo fully embraces online gameplay. There is so much potential..
You say this in every Miyamoto thread.
THIS!
I see some people wanting Nintendo to become something like Sony/Microsoft ITT. And this is the last thing I want. Why would I want three companies doing exactly the same thing?
I know I'm going against the flow here, but apart from some minor changes (like changing their accounts system) I do hope Nintendo keeps on doing what they do and following their own path.
shinra-bansho
Member
Are we pretending that Nintendo's attitudes towards the internet and online gaming aren't somewhat behind the times; and that this comment doesn't somewhat exemplify that. Iwata was essentially betting against online gaming taking off prior to the launch of the XBOX.
Yes, the internet wasn't as pervasive as it is now. Someone should have told Google and Facebook they launched a decade too early.
Yes, the internet wasn't as pervasive as it is now. Someone should have told Google and Facebook they launched a decade too early.
GhostOfLawlight
Banned
So Miyamoto's idea of a typical family playing games is one person playing while everyone else watches?
The wording makes me think that he was referring to online connection rate for their consoles specifically. I remember Iwata or someone bragging about how 3DS and Wii U have a 70% or so online connection rate, while Wii/DS were significantly less. If only half of potential buyers can or would take the console online, that limits the size of the audience as he says. It was their own fault for those systems' barebone online capabilities of course, but what's done is done.
KillerTravis
Banned
And how are you supposed to know this?
That's the best they can come up with to explain the tablet.
The truth is it was a fundamentally flawed concept, and a regression from the Wii.
While I agree, he is beginning to ruin Nitendo's stuff with his old world thinking.
I am not saying he should go away, however just... just keep away from other peoples stuff. Please.
Some of you come up with the worst examples ever conceived in the history of man. You don't need highspeed Internet to enjoy Google and Facebook. In fact Google started life by being a no thrills search engine.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
You repeat yourself more frequently than Mario games are released.