Desudzer10
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Why did this become sony vs microsoft? It's shit in general and needs to stop.
They'll try to make up the difference in other formsI mean, no 50 dollar season pass is pretty sweet of them.
They'll try to make up the difference in other forms
Ah good then. Same here with MTX, Can't remember the last time I bought one. I've just started playing POE (about 50 hrs so far) and haven't spent anything. Feel like I should support them lol.Yeah but I have no trouble not buying MTX, personally. The Season Pass' always tempted me and sometimes I even grabbed them.
You got itSo by the time they release this shit on other platforms they'll have already announced the next Call of Duty?
LOL
Well, PS2 was a juggernaut... I doubt they had to pay anyone to make games exclusive to PS2.
Nintendo does it with Bayonetta and stuff too.... so I would equate Sony to Nintendo. MS & EA are pioneers in how shitty they can make the industry.
This whole arguing about who did it first is fucking stupid. They've all done similarly scummy shit. Sony paid Eidos to keep Tomb Raider off the Saturn, they had exclusive content in Ubisoft games last gen, MS had 30 days exclusivity with COD maps and funded the GTA IV DLC to have it exclusive for a year etc.
As sad as it is to say from a consumer standpoint, it's just how business is these days. But this whataboutism bullshit gets you nowhere and it's just pathetic on all fronts, regardless of what side you fall on.
He was talking about the gaming industry. But if you want to go far into the past, Microsoft is the absolute worst ever.Lol. Sony rootkit scandal puts them on the top of the list and by far.
Because microsoft would be massive hypocrites if they said anything. They started the DLC exclusives thing ages ago. Weirdly there wasnt hardly any commotion about that back then. The people to blame are reddit and its users. In fact I would go so far as to say the gaming community nowadays is a complete sh1t show purely down to the negative, moaning rewarding sh1thole that is reddit. Its a shame to have seen neogaf turn into a mini reddit really.Why are people blaming Activision? This is 99% on Sony. If they weren't paying for it, it wouldn't happen. Does anyone think that Microsoft couldn't easily money-hat everything if they wanted? They simply have evolved and are no longer doing that.
Where I do fault MS, is with them not pushing back on Activision. I know they don't have a ton of leverage at the moment, but at least condemn this move publicly. This pushes exclusive content to a new level of assbaggery. People buying the same game for the same price, but not receiving core content? Shameless.
Well, music pirating is scummy...so I have to say I disagree.Lol. Sony rootkit scandal puts them on the top of the list and by far.
Well, music pirating is scummy...so I have to say I disagree.
He was talking about the gaming industry. But if you want to go far into the past, Microsoft is the absolute worst ever.
OEM exclusivity deals.
Internet Explorer 6 facilitating all sorts of easy exploits worldwide.
Office throttling down Cyrix processors to help out their friends at Intel.
The DBLSPACE command scandal.
OS/2 incompatibilities purposely added to DOS.
I don't blame you if you are too young to have even heard of any of these things though.
No apology needed but let's be honest, if I had trouble paying my rent, would you care? Will never understand why anyone should care about something that doesn't affect them? Especially if/when can't do anything about it anyway. It is what it is. Don't like it? Don't buy the game. Don't know what else to say.
Why did this become sony vs microsoft? It's shit in general and needs to stop.
Sony does deserve a pass. If they said no, this thread would still exist. It would just be PS4 owners who are most upset instead of Xbox owners. Activision is not going to decline money just because Sony says no thanks. They would just lower their price until MS said yes.Because the majority of players in here use a Playstation 4 and doesn't like to see Sony as a villain.
It's everyone else's fault. Just look at the MW exclusive threads. Activision gets attacked for toxic practice and Sony somehow gets a free pass.
I know Activision delivered the cash flow, but Sony didn't exactly say no.
Sony does deserve a pass. If they said no, this thread would still exist. It would just be PS4 owners who are most upset instead of Xbox owners. Activision is not going to decline money just because Sony says no thanks. They would just lower their price until MS said yes.
The only way this stops is if the system owners who get shafted, boycott the game altogether in enough numbers to get attention from Activision.
If this was the choice the publishers had between:
Making the DLC additional MP maps PS4 exclusive
or
Making a horde mode modifier within Spec Ops PS4 exclusive
then I’m totally okay with the choice.
Activision takes $x million of marketing dollars and some development costs, Sony gets an exclusive alpha and a Spec Ops modifier. If that money isn’t there, then maybe they couldn’t have done an alpha, bugs might have not cropped up until Beta, and the subsequently fixed later instead of before release.
People cancelling their preorders and posting misinformed reactions (“ALL OF SPEC OPS IS PS4 EXCLUSIVE”) need to chill a little.
Edit: developer reply which should be in OP:
He's right though. Better one MP mode (that is not even popular to begin with) than the whole game. Lesser of two evils.Some time later.
Yeah, a year.
No, it's not Sony being good or not (or MS in the same situation), it's Activision being Activision.So Sony are the good guys. That must be the craziest defence I've ever seen in a fanboy post.
"no Sony is not the bad guys for taking money and fucking other platforms". Can you hear it yourself?
You'd probably rage at Microsoft for doing this deal, while it's good when Sony does. Double standards smh.
The braindeads who still support them and buys their games deserve nothing better. You want change then stop giving them money!
Did you forget the xbox360 era? MS did it all the time, now tides have turned. Sony is now the leader, and with 100 mil. Consoles sold they do the same thing that MS did with the Xbox360.Awesome. So can Activision explain to me why as an XB1 user I should pay the same amount of money as the PS4 version while getting less content?
You know Sony had permanent exclusive content in some of their multiplatform games last gen right? It's shitty for the consumer no matter who does it.Did you forget the xbox360 era? MS did it all the time, now tides have turned. Sony is now the leader, and with 100 mil. Consoles sold they do the same thing that MS did with the Xbox360.
PAYBACK TIME
Yeah deflecting on my answer is to easy to see trough it. My answer stands strong. MS did it every time with every developer who grabbed the money.You know Sony had permanent exclusive content in some of their multiplatform games last gen right? It's shitty for the consumer no matter who does it.
Don't be so dense. MS and Sony were both guilty of it and pretending it didn't happen just to fit your narrative simply because you're anti XB is quite frankly pathetic. I'm not wasting my time on yet another fanboy.Yeah deflecting on my answer is to easy to see trough it. My answer stands strong. MS did it every time with every developer who grabbed the money.
He's right though. Better one MP mode (that is not even popular to begin with) than the whole game. Lesser of two evils.
If you believe in the two evils explanation, yeah.
As I've said before I stopped buying and playing COD after the first Black Ops game.The braindeads who still support them and buys their games deserve nothing better. You want change then stop giving them money!
I agree with you its not costumer friendly, i mean they both do and did it, do you rember that MS had a year excl. content for GTA? The biggest franchise on consoles?You know Sony had permanent exclusive content in some of their multiplatform games last gen right? It's shitty for the consumer no matter who does it.
Sure, but I don't want to buy that version. That's the issue for me. I feel like I am being compelled to buy the game on the system not of my choosing. It's making me not want to buy it at all.Do you guys not have PlayStations?
That's exactly how I felt about a lot of games last gen.Sure, but I don't want to buy that version. That's the issue for me. I feel like I am being compelled to buy the game on the system not of my choosing. It's making me not want to buy it at all.
I feel like his comment is actually referencing that blizzard “do you guys not have smartphones?” MemeSure, but I don't want to buy that version. That's the issue for me. I feel like I am being compelled to buy the game on the system not of my choosing. It's making me not want to buy it at all.
Yea it’s not like Sony desperately tried to buy out Activision or anythingIt's Activisions content to sell not Sony's. There's no logic blaming Sony over Activision here. Zero. None. Poor effort here trying to do so.
Are people really suggesting then when MS did this in the 360 days with COD, it was the same thing...?
That was 30 days. Sometimes 7. For a map or two that nobody played anyway.
This is a whole YEAR. For a section of game. A whole game mode, that people were looking forward to playing.
It’s not just bad, it’s utterly shameful. I don’t care if it’s Sony or Activision at blame here. Neither of them should have done this, it’s the exact opposite of “for the players”.
Terrible practise... really poor show...
All I see are excuses for Sony to be shitty, granted Activision is just as guilty, like they were last gen with Microsoft. As it was already said, two wrongs don’t make a single right.
It’s just wrong to pay full price for a game and knowing just because you are on a different console/platform. you don’t get 100% of that game because of a greedy deal between the publisher and game platform.
The game was up for preorder on PS4 before it was removed due to the deal. Love that this is an excuse there for the entire game.Shadow wasn’t timed exclusive at all, it was our day and date on all platforms. Rise had an exclusivity deal, because MS out the cash up for development, and without it the game wouldn’t exist. Hardly the same.
Proof or just conjecture?What if you are getting 100% of it but the deal gave them the financing to create a new mode on the other platform?
Seemed to be a valid excuse for MS during the GTA4 deal
The game was up for preorder on PS4 before it was removed due to the deal. Love that this is an excuse there for the entire game.[/B]
I don't agree with these deals either but dude, do you even remember the 360 days? They had timed exclusivity deals for 5 years prior until sony got itMicrosoft was shitty for making x360 users privileged, but it's acceptable when Sony does it?
Quoted for Truth.I don't agree with these deals either but dude, do you even remember the 360 days? They had timed exclusivity deals for 5 years prior until sony got it
Modern Warfare 2 protest?
This isn't about the other Cod thread (patch) and I searched a few times and didn't see it so I'll post. I just got a PSN message from a total random. I have no Idea if or when I played with them or how they got my name. Anyways: "On Monday, September 7th, everyone who plays Cod4 and 5...www.neogaf.com
Read it. Not a single soul gave MS shit for anything back then. So quite the opposite. It was acceptable back then and now it's not.
Now maybe even read the MS E3 2006 GTA4 timed exclusive DLC announcement thread too. 'Sony am cry', 'megaton', ' The King is dead'.
Now though these are big issues and it's all Sony's fault for the usual suspects. Just like how crossplay wasn't a big deal during the 360 days because people were paying to play online to keep the filthy peasants off their platform or something.
I hate these deals just as much but you've got to be kidding me if you think 'now it's acceptable but wasn't before' when nobody batted an eye for 5 years+ prior.
mixed the names my bad, we all know what happened to Rise and what Phil Spencer said and how it was managed, it was a mess and a PR disaster for MS, I dont remeber anything about cash problems said by them or SEShadow wasn’t timed exclusive at all, it was our day and date on all platforms. Rise had an exclusivity deal, because MS out the cash up for development, and without it the game wouldn’t exist. Hardly the same.
according to Microsoft Studios executive Phil Spencer, it would be a timed exclusive similar to Microsoft's deal with Capcom and Crytek on Dead Rising 3 and Ryse: Son of Rome (in which both were released for Microsoft Windows). This sparked player outrage from players, who blamed franchise owner Square Enix for the decision.[40] Microsoft's calling the game "exclusive on Xbox for holiday 2015" caused confusion among the gaming press and players.[41] Rogers explained in 2015 that the Microsoft timed exclusivity was primarily due to the company's strong support for the 2013 reboot. Crystal Dynamics head Darrell Gallagher said that the partnership could help the team "deliver the best game that [they] can".[42] Rogers called the arrangement a "natural" evolution and a "tough" decision.[43]