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Monster Strike made $3.8 million a day between January and March
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TheSlySoul
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Ugh, P&D and MS are not slot machines.
A better analogy would be Pokémon with a timer.
They are good games barred down by aggressive IAP tactics.
The 3DS P&D game is easily GOTY for me so far.
Stilton Disco
Member
I'm always amazed by just how much money is spent in the Japanese mobile industry.
For a country that's economy is in the toilet, and last I heard, wages are falling while unemployment is rising, the rich/poor divide is widening, and the middle class are going extinct, they're spending a metric fuckton of money on basically nothing at a terrifyingly accelerating rate.
For a country that's economy is in the toilet, and last I heard, wages are falling while unemployment is rising, the rich/poor divide is widening, and the middle class are going extinct, they're spending a metric fuckton of money on basically nothing at a terrifyingly accelerating rate.
IIRC they actually spend more than the US.
Not per capita. Just straight up more.
Gacha is slot machines dude. 3DS is different I think
Well I'm pretty thrifty and if you are playing mobile games with friends for hours instead of going out and spending money I can see it making sense. $/time wise its pretty good. There's zero reason to buy any cosmetics in Dota but I do since I enjoy the game and want to support.
Also waifu pull is strong with gacha and collabs.
to be fair, P&D is one of the games with better IAP tactics than other mobile games I have played. Of course it could be better, but there are far worse ones and I think they suck.
It's a slot machine. You spend money, random shit happens, a thing comes out that might be worth it or not. Rinse repeat. Hell P&D didn't even try to hide it as you pull a damn lever.
dakkumauji
Member
Expect you don't have to.
Monster Strike is a game where you don't have to spend money to get the best monsters. Most of the best ones come from events and you can clear them using monsters from other events. Plus, co-op makes it so you don't need to fill up a whole team as long as you have friends that can fill the missing holes in your team.
Plus, you are literally discrediting like 90% of the rest of the game.
TheSlySoul
Member
I agree with you. It is annoying that people dismiss the gameplay elements and focus on the IAPs. P&D is a really fun puzzle game.
Monster Strike is much more luck based, but it is still fun in a Bayblade way. Heck, Smash Bros. 3DS ripped it off a bit with the Streetpass game.
I say Pokémon because the appeal is collecting monsters and leveling them up. You pay for the eggs and to by pass the timer of playing only 15 minutes at a time.
That is what F2P haters do. I honestly just really hate the IAP stuff, but I liked the little bit I played of Monster Strike. Since a 3DS version got announced, I cannot wait to play it.
Well yes you *can* but obviously people aren't if they're making this much money. I can stay at a casino and not spend a single sent gambling, doesn't mean it isn't a casino.
Was his answer any interesting?
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
You can't play any of the games at a casino without spending money. Most Japanese dragonesque clones give you a path to victory using teams fielded entirely of in-game farmable monsters.
Besides, the random factor is pretty much the same as the one you incur buying TCG booster packs. Do you also consider that straight up gambling?
Yes. The difference is in TCGs there is trading, and the ability to buy cards straight out. That's never available in these games is it?
TheSlySoul
Member
Yep, I consider it like Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare. At least the games do not charge you $60 before putting in IAPs like Assassin'a Creed or Forza does.
Heck people in the Pokémon Shuffle thread managed to get most things done not spending any money.
Okamoto deserves it for Street Fighter II.
superseohyun
Member
would rather play granblue instead
Shouta
Member
Monster Strike is so good. It's a real shame it hasn't taken off in the US more but it's somewhat understandable considering population density. Gameplay design is fantastic and the gatcha setup makes it feel like you never have to purchase currency to make progress though it helps. Mixi is also SUPER generous with giving out pulls, way more than even say Brave Frontier.
Seriously, the game looks like it's shallow but once you get into the harder content, it's a fun game that's tough. It's, honestly, a lot meatier than many games on consoles or handhelds.
Seriously, the game looks like it's shallow but once you get into the harder content, it's a fun game that's tough. It's, honestly, a lot meatier than many games on consoles or handhelds.
What did he answer?
I might give MS a try later this week.
I like P&D, but the egg machine mechanic is clearly a slot machine even if its optional.
Pretty much. There's a reason why a lot of the better players in TCGs buy singles or non-random sets when it comes to building their decks unless they plan on using the boosters to make money on the side.
I like P&D, but the egg machine mechanic is clearly a slot machine even if its optional.
Pretty much. There's a reason why a lot of the better players in TCGs buy singles or non-random sets when it comes to building their decks unless they plan on using the boosters to make money on the side.
TheSlySoul
Member
I agree with that, but Pokémon and Paper Mario had slot machine mini-games as well. Does not make the core game that way.
P&D is a puzzle game like Puzzle League with RPG elements.
MS is hard to say. It is RPG + Kirby's Dream Course.
Saying they are slot machines is like saying FPS is just pointing and holding R or platformers are holding a button and jumping.
otaku-asia
Member
Am I the only one here who has never heard about Monster Strike before?
zeopower6
Member
The slot machine analogy comes from spending REAL MONEY to get a random outcome.
Not old man moment, it's just you aren't suseptable to the quasi-gambling addiction this game peddles. There is nothing of value in there that you are missing.
Or, you know, they can see the gambling mechanics and hate them.
It's easy to become addicted to these especially if you get on Line or other messaging apps and make friends, join guilds etc. just so easy to jump in and out. I played a few F2P heavily due to boredom and actually made more $ selling stuff than I put in but I really don't want to get addicted again. Also, once you spend $1, you'll keep spending!
The hooks and gambling mechanics are usually pretty damn good
The hooks and gambling mechanics are usually pretty damn good
SatoAilDarko
Member
Stuff like Folklore and Majin are the type of unique games I enjoy. I was sad to see Game Arts go.
As for this it's pretty clear FTP is the way to make money.
As for this it's pretty clear FTP is the way to make money.
If I were a console game publisher.
You really do see where they are coming from with micro-transactions. Chasing the dream.
You really do see where they are coming from with micro-transactions. Chasing the dream.
You were so sad to see them go you don't even remember what their company was called. LOL.
sixteen-bit
Member
What are Japan's laws against whaling?
J
Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
I'm surprised people are still shocked at how well mobile games can do.
Nintendo did buy a percentage of the company out.
Nintendo did buy a percentage of the company out.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I thought it was more the change in laws is what threw a wrench into their plans
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
This is it. I'm an old man.
With old man balls.
With old man balls.
Qooapp is pretty convenient for that
I hope the anime helps it a bit. Game has 21 million downloads in Japan and still 500k on the EN version after around half an year
TheSlySoul
Member
Which is mostly buying chances at the monster slot machines.
A part of the game which is completely optional.
It is a double standard that people cannot complain about paying for Easy Fatalities in Mortal Kombat X and then condeem free games for making money via optional things and timers. People who say the main games are slot machines are making blanket statements.
All IAPs are equal, free or retail game.
ThatStupidLion
Member
Man mobiles and casual gaming is going to make console niche again.
Mostly for a chance to get a rare monster (some of the strongest ones are free from event quests though) or stamina recharging for quest farming (if you want to max luck a drop monster).
I feel the same, and yet I can't say it's an old man moment because fucking relatives much older than me are into this King and King-like crap.
0coolclimate0
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I won't even Micropay on ps4 games, save for things like DLC I want.
No, the big games all still use the same business models as DeNA and GREE did.
DeNA and GREE just didn't have engaging games by the standards shift that happened in 2012.
Why play a game about tapping the screen to autowin (or clicking a button, as you would on a feature phone) when you can have actual gameplay in Puzzle & Dragons instead.