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Moon landing conspiracy and Flat Earth conspiracy theories go here and nowhere else
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synchronicity
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That has always - all the evidence of a globe aside - been my question. Who benefits? (most) All lies, from personal to communal, have a beneficiary, or at least the motive of some sort of benefit.
The moon landing has lots of fishy elements, and I don't know how I feel about that though. I'm comfortable saying I don't know.
In both cases, however, I still eat my rice and beans.
TylersProphecy4.0
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The one that rings most true to me (mentioned by wellthain earlier) is that they are hiding literal bodies of land from the public. Think Atlantis and Mu. Not that I believe they are doing this, just from a logic question of why standpoint, it's the most boring answer I can come up with, the right answer usually being completely boring and explainable. Maybe more resources on those bodies of land? Who knows.
synchronicity
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My personal approach to knowledge, and I used that word very carefully, is that I know very little. Most all claimed knowledge is ultimately hearsay, and not first-hand experience. So what do I know? Not much.
Grinchy
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I feel like you have to go even further off the deep end to believe that the ominous "they" are trying to control lands that are unknown to us. We'd have to essentially give up on our belief in our total current reality.
How would all of these warring countries just decide to work together to keep the secret from all of us peasants? We essentially have to start believing that everything we see is a roleplay if we are going to believe that every governmental body on the planet has come together to lie to us throughout all of our recorded history and before it in order to keep this one single lie going strong. And that's all to hide some plots of land?
How would all of these warring countries just decide to work together to keep the secret from all of us peasants? We essentially have to start believing that everything we see is a roleplay if we are going to believe that every governmental body on the planet has come together to lie to us throughout all of our recorded history and before it in order to keep this one single lie going strong. And that's all to hide some plots of land?
Nymphae
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I too do not understand the Antarctic treaty.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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This whole Antarctic treaty puzzles me.
I knew nothing about this until mentioned on here.
Why has no country broken it yet? A lot of countries are cuntish
I knew nothing about this until mentioned on here.
Why has no country broken it yet? A lot of countries are cuntish
Rentahamster
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Taking video in the ISS vs putting a video camera mounted on the outside of a rocket that's supposed to survive the experience are two very different things.
Not fake. You've never actually experienced zero g except from Hollywood movies so you don't have a reality based frame of reference to draw from. They can't do an hour long livestream in a zero g plane because the zero g portion of the plane ride only lasts 30 seconds at a time.
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Nah, they're clearly not. It's in space yo. Happy birthday buddy!
Grinchy
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That treaty is fake. Show me something else.
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Nymphae
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Wasn't presenting it as a proof of anything, I was presenting it as a curious situation. The rationale given for this treaty is environmental concerns. Do you believe that all of these warring countries signed a treaty in 1959 to stay out of the continent for environmental reasons? I mean you have to, it's the official story. But I don't understand how they all came together on that one, and I don't know that I believe it's because they wanted to protect the environment in 1959.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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This is the first time I've seen all these videos with see through heads and disappearing feet etc.
Most people like me are just too ignorant or uninterested to notice.
It does all look a bit dodgy though you ha e to admit
Most people like me are just too ignorant or uninterested to notice.
It does all look a bit dodgy though you ha e to admit
Grinchy
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But I guess the point is that the existence of the land isn't a secret to us. And these nations aren't working together because there's some profitable ice cream factory there and every country involved is equally sharing the secret profits.
That's what someone would have to believe to think that all of these governments are lying to us about the planet being spherical all just to hide land masses from us in a giant team effort that has spanned throughout recorded history.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Theres got to be tons of freaky shit under that ice from throughout history. All probably perfectly preserved
The Brooklyn Brawler
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I think it's clear here that we only have one course of action.
We need to INCREASE global warming.
Use aerosols! Leave all your lights on! Drive bigger cars!
If we manage to melt Antarctica its juicy secrets shall be revealed
We need to INCREASE global warming.
Use aerosols! Leave all your lights on! Drive bigger cars!
If we manage to melt Antarctica its juicy secrets shall be revealed
Hinedorf
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I really love howWeilthain is handling all the criticism with 100% calm. Regards!
Also I don't want to criticize anyone especially the OP but putting into one glass two theories of which one is stupid and the second one has scientific proofs isn't good move for truth sake.
See actually, I just sort assume he actually looks like his avatar so when he speaks of Flat Earth I listen as if he's an alien speaking to things I clearly don't grasp.
And when he comes away so calm and collected I almost question if maybe I'm the wrong one!
DESTROYA
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real isn't reality
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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vacuums are very effective insulators, and the sun rays should warm quite well. In the moon some areas under the sun are hundreds of degrees hot, while areas in shadow are hundreds of degrees cold, due to the vacuum insulating and impeding heat transmission. At the same time I've heard infrared radiation towards the dark side exposed to space should also result in cooling even in a vacuum. Would that result in an overly hot and an overly cold area on the satellite? Would heat be effectively transmitted across it? I imagine the cooling and heating in vacuum balance out and heat transmission takes place between sun exposed portion and portions not exposed.
The problems with the ISS footage, at least some of it are:
1. There are some videos of them doing motions with their hands as if moving objects, but no objects being in their hands.
2. For unknown reasons some of the women with long hair rather than having their hair tied or properly arranged, it is held wildly like medusa with some strong hair gel or perm. I don't know if they've done it, but moving about with loose long hair for a while would be a good stunt.
3. On some of the videos of them interacting with people on earth, they appear to respond after some significant delay to questions, but on some occasions some of them react to jokes immediately with no delay by smiling despite still presenting delays to respond. There should be a delay, which they attempt to simulate, yet they can react immediately.
on other videos there isn't even any delay at all
From what I've heard there is curvature but it is slight as the height is not sufficient for a big curvature to show. With a straight line the subtle curvature can be shown.
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-Arcadia-
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I like this thread, and how people are explaining their positions. I don’t believe in flat Earth, but yelling at people who do just isn’t productive. Best for everyone to bring evidence to the table, maturely absorb it, and discuss things. That goes for things in general.
That said, I think we could end this thread pretty quickly, if we just community crowd-funded a weather balloon and camera apparatus, had people from both sides to inspect it, and... let it fly.
Certainly, an atmospheric view of the planet would settle it one way or the other, no?
It just seems to me like we have a pretty answerable question here, with evidence that would present itself cleanly to both experts and laymen.
That said, I think we could end this thread pretty quickly, if we just community crowd-funded a weather balloon and camera apparatus, had people from both sides to inspect it, and... let it fly.
Certainly, an atmospheric view of the planet would settle it one way or the other, no?
It just seems to me like we have a pretty answerable question here, with evidence that would present itself cleanly to both experts and laymen.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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Theres government agents that would tamper with it.
They are also waiting in balloons out of eyesight to mess with it as it floats past
strange headache
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Yes, because calling everybody a "basic bitch" who values scientific truth and doesn't follow their f*cked up worldview is totally not being insufferable about their conspirational convictions. To be honest, I'd gladly tolerate the peculiar whims of somebody who is right over a person that's seemingly nice but spreads false knowledge.
As Socrates would say, goodness is derived from knowledge and truth, so those who are spreading misbeliefs and half-truths are actually facilitating all the evil in this world.
The Brooklyn Brawler
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As I once said:
It's the internet. Calm down. It's all just a big laugh
It's the internet. Calm down. It's all just a big laugh
zeomax
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There are so many unknown aspects how the hole communication setup was.
Maybe the questions were prerecorded and send to the ISS. Maybe everything was live. How was the communication between NASA and the person who was asking? Maybe everything was prerecorded so that TV show viewers can enjoy a nice show without any delays.
The ISS is moving with 17500 mph. Lets say The ISS is directly above the US so NASA can send the signal straight up --> no delay. 10 Minutes later the ISS is now on the other side of the globe. So NASA is sending the signal to a relay station in space then to another station then maybe back to a station on earth and then back to space to catch up with the moving ISS. Every jump from one relay to another causes a delay.
So many unanswered questions but of course the easiest explanation NASA is faking all this because this is the only explanation that fits your beliefs.
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TylersProphecy4.0
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This thread seems to have gone beyond flat earth and into the nature of space/whether or not nasa is faking their iss footage.
Flat earth is being mentioned but it's more like the "question your reality" thread at this point.
I've been getting a kick out of it. Like half my podcasts are about shit like this or something crazier, like blinking universe theory.
Edit: I really enjoyed wellthain's map a bit ago.
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TylersProphecy4.0
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Have you stated your position on why they would fake the footage yet? Are you full on flat earth? Just wondering.
I think it could be something as easy to explain as space is more dangerous for humans than we like to tell people or too expensive so, to keep the money for research and the dream of space travel alive in the hearts of the public, they would fake a few videos if need be.
If you do subscribe to flat earth, what was the information that sold you on it THE MOST?
zeomax
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And at the same time they are allowing every person to access the biggest communication network ever made that's allowing people all over the world to talk instantly with each other.
The response will be of course so that the governments can better control you
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Weilthain
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They fake the footage because they have to, is my blunt answer.
if you mean why would they hide the flat earth, then I’ve said already that would be actual conspiracy theories, and there are many different ideas about that.
the moon missions weren’t real. No one has left earth. Heliocentric model hasn’t been “proven” which is basically what the moon missions were about. To prove we are on a water ball in space, but they faked it. So maybe we aren’t.
People are doing experiments that are trying to prove the globe and failing.
ever hear of the striesland effect?
what do you think would happen if they just out right banned everyone from talking about this?
they are doing their best to stop it with mockery and quarantine.
big respect for NeoGAF for allowing this conversation to happen here
zeomax
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Just because you don't understand the experiments it doesn't mean that these experiments are not proving the globe.
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Weilthain
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zeomax
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But according to you they are trying to hide the shape of the world. Why does this don't trigger the Streisand Effekt?
zeomax
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Show me an experiment that try to prove the globe and fails?
Weilthain
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The earth is ~24000miles circumference yet we cannot measure curve. There are many tests being done that show a lack of any curve.
There are so many examples of this.
you are forced to believe that in many cases you are seeing refracted mirages bending around the curve that make it appear they are in line of sight.
Do you have any proof of the R value of the earth? Do you have any proof of the distance to the sun? Do you have any proof that the Center of the earth is a molten core of iron? Any proof of axial rotation?
no pseudoscience
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zeomax
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No, this one is trying to prove that the earth is flat and failing. Show me an experiment that try to prove the globe and fails and not one that try to prove that the earth is flat.
Thats the problem, everything is pseudoscience and space math for you. Like i said just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is wrong.
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strange headache
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Dude on the left is clearly trying to cross his arms, then decides it's a bad idea in zero gravity.
The communications delay is not a fixed constant, it depends on the position of the ISS whether a direct signal transmission is possible or not.
The Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System is a network of several satellites ensuring data transfer with the ISS when it is on the other side of the globe. Lag is minimal if the space station is directly above Houston (about half a second or so depending on how the signal is relayed through the TDRSS), but becomes considerably longer if the ISS reaches the far side of the planet because the signal has a much longer travel distance.
Cleared_Hot
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It's 100% the MOST likely reality. Everyone is obsessed with romanticizing everything. It is what it is plain and simple.
Weilthain
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You want miles or kilometers?
Prison Mike
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The Brooklyn Brawler
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What do you guys think of all the so called "alien artifacts" that have been found
Some crazy shit out there
listverse.com
Some crazy shit out there
10 Mysterious Artifacts That Are Allegedly Alien - Listverse
Some say alien life forms have visited Earth throughout history. However, such claims are difficult to prove. Most UFO sightings and abductions are easy
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TylersProphecy4.0
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Just wondering (yet again) but why specifically flat earth and not, let's say, hollow earth, where there is a lot more physical evidence?
It would still require them to fake all the NASA footage and lie about the shape/nature of the planet so why specifically flat earth?
Edit: asking these types of questions before work suck. I want to read and respond immediately lol.
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The Brooklyn Brawler
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Maybe its hollow
And when you bury people they dont rot away most just fall through and have a big zombie party
And when you bury people they dont rot away most just fall through and have a big zombie party
TylersProphecy4.0
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A lot of scientists believe that all celestial bodies are hollow (essentially solenoids) which results in their magnetic fields. It actually kind of makes sense more than a big molten ball in the core, at least as far as gravity goes, or it at least SEEMS to.
The Smithsonian was originally set up to house artifacts from hollow earth. In fact, it still receives them to this day, they just no longer keep them on display, relegating them off from a closed wing of the museum to full on storage at some point.
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