Starcraft had a good custom map scene, but I'd prefer warcraft III for that. Nonetheless, I'll take what I can get.
I hope they don't do this.
I hope they don't do this.
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More StarCraft Remastered Rumors, May-June Release
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Frustrated_me
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Reporting for duty.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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LIVE FOR THE SWARM
Guileless
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I haven't actually heard the music in 15 years but I remember all the Terran themes note for note.
I still play Broodwar online daily.
I gave up on SC2 years ago. I have no faith that modern Blizzard will not break this somehow. All they need to do is up-res it for modern displays. Change nothing else. Keep all the bugs, keep all the same units and balance and don't mess with the controls.
It's perfect as is.
I gave up on SC2 years ago. I have no faith that modern Blizzard will not break this somehow. All they need to do is up-res it for modern displays. Change nothing else. Keep all the bugs, keep all the same units and balance and don't mess with the controls.
It's perfect as is.
It better be much better than their Diablo event.
I wonder if they will force too many SCII stuff into this or use the same art style, I could see so many fans being pissed off.
I mean will it be the same VO's? People were still pissed with the Kerrigan one, and SCII in the end really didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Maybe this can be a return to form.
Maybe.
I wonder if they will force too many SCII stuff into this or use the same art style, I could see so many fans being pissed off.
I mean will it be the same VO's? People were still pissed with the Kerrigan one, and SCII in the end really didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Maybe this can be a return to form.
Maybe.
MisterAnderson
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Please add worker rally points and being able to select as many units as possible.
I honestly can't see it.
Where's the StarCraft 2 port to consoles? And that one even would play better on controllers than StarCraft 1. So I can't see the latter coming to consoles.
StarCraft 64 was very impressive in regards of how much content it had (plus 2 player split screen) but the controls were baaaaad.
i am being triggered by this post
MisterAnderson
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That's a shame. Both would be objective improvements to the game.
If they do that, nobody who actually likes Broodwar will play it. It's things like that that ruined SC2.
Also, due to the balance in Broodwar being able to select as many units as you want would break the game entirely.
Please, keep that stuff away from Broodwar.
Guileless
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Somebody should write a book about StarCraft 64.
TBH then you should just keep playing Broodwar.
I can appreciate the idea that broodwar is a perfect game and that any changes will affect the balance negatively, but just uprezing the graphics isn't going to appeal to anyone outside of the extreme hardcore that already watch BW. I guess myabe it could catch on as a huge E-sports thing, but at that point you're just trying to make a sport, not a mass market videogame.
Genuinly the market they want to catch is all the people watching Broodwar on Afreeca and the Koreans in netcafes and the foreign players still playing on places like Teamliquid and in China/Russia.
Nobody outside of that cares about Broodwar as is and trying to bring Broodwar back into the attention of people by changing it entirely, the crowd and all the pro streamers right now won't move to it and it won't catch on in Korea which is the one place it would need to succeed.
Broodwar is finally getting back on track tournament wise and I'll be very upset if something like this release would hurt that.
blast processed
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Same. This is all I need.
MisterAnderson
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A laughable conclusion to come to IMO. Having to manually assign workers to mineral patches every 20ish seconds (even more so per running base) is complete busy work that serves no purpose other than to fan service complete purists who refuse to accept improvements to mechanics. This is coming from a huge fan of SC/Brood War.
If people are worried that mass selecting armies would break the game (most likely make Zerg OP), then fine, keep the tabs capped at 12 for balance sake. But worker rally points does nothing but improve quality of life for the game.
FTFY
This a million times!
You're totally missing the point.
Having to manually assign workers adds to the skill floor of the game and is another facet that can separate the best players from the rest. You might not like it (hell, I sure don't), but it's essential to the functioning of the game in the competitive scene.
Every single one of these little inconveniences may not make it marketable to the casual crowd, but that is, again, missing the point entirely. This is NOT a mass market product. They are doing this purely for the e-sports scene, no ifs ands or buts about it. If you happen to be a part of that small cross-section of customers that's totally on-board with Brood War's little idiosyncrasies, then great, you're probably going to love it. But anyone else can just stick with SC2. SC2 is there for a reason, after all.
SpiceMelange
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BW is like 70% pure mechanical execution, 30% strategy. It is a skill, just not one you might like.
Assigning workers individually is a skill and it's a very important one too. If you can't assign your workers efficiently you'll fall behind, it's an action that takes away from the other actions you're trying to focus on. That 1/2 clicks (more if you have more bases) is 4 actions that could be used focusing on something else.
It gives you the option of say focusing on micro for a few seconds and letting some workers go idle, which means economy wise you'll be falling slowly behind if the other player is more active. It's why early in his career players like FanTaSy struggled in certain matchups. His micro was amazing, but his macro would suffer as he'd often have a lot of scvs idling in his bases which in a longer game all adds up.
Broodwar is a game of seconds.
It gives you the option of say focusing on micro for a few seconds and letting some workers go idle, which means economy wise you'll be falling slowly behind if the other player is more active. It's why early in his career players like FanTaSy struggled in certain matchups. His micro was amazing, but his macro would suffer as he'd often have a lot of scvs idling in his bases which in a longer game all adds up.
Broodwar is a game of seconds.
Legacy titles should never be touched balancewise, barring something like USF2 which is an actual game update.
GankzyMcfly
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Given that xbox is apparently working on (according to phil) mouse and keyboard support i dont see the issue, additionally controllers work fine (assuming your competing against others with controllers), the majority of sc for n64's problems had to do with limitation of the cartridge format (imo). As someone who played competitively on pc for several years from release all the way up to roughly 2005 and owned the console port throughout my childhood (and to this day) the n64 port was commendable for what it was and for the hardware restrictions of the time. Like i said, on modern consoles a remastered SC would have 0 problems running with all the assests (a significant amount of things like audio were cut from the n64 port for example) assuming the game is essentially the same as it was and just given the hd polish treatment.
BIG NOPE
The only real gameplay change should be support for 16:9 screens which will change how much user can see on the screen.
Add better visuals, much better spectator options, full integration into battlenet, remaster the CGIs and call it a day.
TheRedSnifit
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Maybe, but that's a huge reason Brood Wars had as big a comp scene as it did.
In regards to the "proper" balance it really isn't any better than SCII (it might have been even worse), but the mechanical skill ceiling was so high that faction imbalances were mostly irrelevant.
I miss when Blizzard games had high skill ceilings.
starcraft is absolute perfection when it comes to the balancing of units.
this is still the BEST rts game i have played to date, and not even Blizzards own efforts (sc2) has topped this.
If all blizzard does is remaster the 'look' of the game & nothing else, i'm willing to pay full price for this
this is still the BEST rts game i have played to date, and not even Blizzards own efforts (sc2) has topped this.
If all blizzard does is remaster the 'look' of the game & nothing else, i'm willing to pay full price for this
katsubento
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I want this. I just don't have a PC to play it on though.
Starcraft was the only title I played on a computer.
Starcraft was the only title I played on a computer.
Palette Swap
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I'm half expecting this to only be the existing SC Battle Chest with native integration to the battle.net client and support for more resolution options.
This isn't the consensus, but I'd love it to be SC in the SC2 engine, if only to future proof it.
"Working on" kb/m support means working on cert policies designed to restrict their effectiveness so they're not considered mandatory for peak performance, only after which they'll be allowed. "We have to figure out how to add it" is a straight-up lie; games can see the keyboard, they're simply not allowed to use input from it except in text chat modes.
Tertullian
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Warcraft II remastered with all sprites redrawn by hand for 4k resolution, pls thx.
Smooth Operator
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Goodbye job, life, etc...
AlexFlame116
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I just want StarCraft Remastered. Would it being on consoles be nice? For me, yes since my computer stinks. But if no consoles, then no problem. I'll make it work.
But I really just want a remaster. StarCraft was my entry to Blizzard and their games so it holds a really special place in my heart. I even own StarCraft 64 for Pete's sake.
But I really just want a remaster. StarCraft was my entry to Blizzard and their games so it holds a really special place in my heart. I even own StarCraft 64 for Pete's sake.
If it's still 2D, which probably is, toasters will run it.
RTS on consoles just died around 2009 after RA3 bombed despite their best efforts to make it console friendly and it was. I don't think there is a better RTS console game than that, it played really well with a controller and it was a pretty good game too. Halo Wars is a horrible shallow game that I've no idea why they decided to make another one, it came out and no one noticed.
While C&C style game could work on consoles with some moderate sacrifices like RA3 made, Blizzard style RTS with workers will never work. It won't be the same game.
RTS on consoles just died around 2009 after RA3 bombed despite their best efforts to make it console friendly and it was. I don't think there is a better RTS console game than that, it played really well with a controller and it was a pretty good game too. Halo Wars is a horrible shallow game that I've no idea why they decided to make another one, it came out and no one noticed.
While C&C style game could work on consoles with some moderate sacrifices like RA3 made, Blizzard style RTS with workers will never work. It won't be the same game.
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Saint Titanfall
Biggest question mark is cinematics if they're bothering to remake the campaigns which i'm sorta doubting. There's a fair few so it wouldn't be cheap and Blizzards current artstyle for games is pretty shit in terms of matching teh tone of the original.
Theognosis
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2D RTS is king. Day 0.
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