Support NeoGAF

[Faith]

A Serbian Film

The whole movie, just disgusting.

 

[Ridley327]

This gruesome chunk is only a small part of the ongoing ritual in this violent chapter.

I don't think that really qualifies as torture, as the victim is already dead before Gull starts going to town on her corpse. It's grueling as hell (and even Moore mentioned in the notes how unpleasant it was to write the scene), but it's not the same thing.

Now, if the point was torture the reader specifically, then sure!

 

[jett]

Definitely The Passion of The Christ.

 

[Ahasverus]

Nothing tops The Passion, that thing was painful to see,even worse knowing that it happened.

 

[JinjoUnchained]

That chapter in For Whom The Bell Tolls where the rebels take over the village, but the leader is worried about conserving ammo. So the mob forms two lines of people with clubs and blunt force weapons and they make the villagers exit the church one at a time to take their turn walking through that line and getting beaten to a bloody pulp. The mob makes sure to stretch it out for the villagers they hate. When they are done, they simply kick the bloody stump off the cliff. For one guy, they pretend like they are going to hit him repeatedly, but then just kick him off the cliff after they make him think that they will spare him. Yeah, doesn't get more brutal than that.

 

[Platy]

Looper:

Prisoners.

Hugh Jackman's character did some pretty horrible things to Paul Dano's character like

Spoiler

putting him in a box with a shower that was rigged to only shoot out either boiling hot water or freezing water. Not to mention that he kept him in there for days and beat him badly everyday before that.

It's all made worse when you find out

Spoiler

that Paul Dano's character was another victim and the mental problems that prevented him from saying stuff was because of the drugs they kept him on his entire life.

So this actor takes the cake ? =P

 

[Black-Box]

watching this with a female friend and not getting any sex out of it

So I guess that it isn't a good thing that I watched this alone and I am a guy?

 

[Timo]

There is a short story in The Informers by Bret Easton Ellis with a guy murdering a child that is harsh. Its the one i think of the most.

 

[plasmawave]

Yes yes it can.

handling a subject like rape poorly can ruin series, so yes,
It has to be earned. He now has to not only explain his self, his intentions and why the universe of MGS got so dark all of sudden( or at least way darker than it was., espically after mgs 4 a game all things considered that was actually pretty effing silly. It had you fighting your borthers ghost possessing on of your clone dad's stans on the top of a thing while at any moment he could grapple you and kiss you) . He must now explain skull face, if he fails at that, well he Kickassed- SAO'ed, however you wanna name it.

Earned, you can't just throw rape and a thing and yell, " now it has tension " that can fuck your whole operation if you do that poorly.

So we are back to this "It's wrong because MGS as a franchise has been silly (giant robots) in the past". Your argument is weak.

 

[inm8num2]

I found the

Spoiler

nail-pulling

scene in Syriana to be very difficult to watch.

 

[dan2026]

Nobody batted an eye at any of the torture scenes in any of the previous metal gears.
Even when Big Boss was being brutalised and losing an eye in MGS 3. You cant say it was played for laughs.

But as soon as rape is involved, suddenly Kojima went too far. That makes no sense.

 

[Dabookerman]

So we are back to this "It's wrong because MGS as a franchise has been silly (giant robots) in the past". Your argument is weak.

Rape in film/tv/games has become an all too common plot device that is purely designed to give the victim motivation, or for the audience to hate the perpetrator. It's used one dimensionally almost all the time.
The issue with MGSV is that it comes across more like, Paz and Chico deals with this shit, so we can hammer into the audience how bad Skullface is.
All of this felt supremely weird to me, especially after encountering the whole Paz situation in Peace walker.

This blog post pretty much sums up my feelings about how it's all handled.

 

[dan2026]

Rape in film/tv/games has become an all too common plot device that is purely designed to give the victim motivation, or for the audience to hate the perpetrator. It's used one dimensionally almost all the time.
The issue with MGSV is that it comes across more like, Paz and Chico deals with this shit, so we can hammer into the audience how bad Skullface is.
All of this felt supremely weird to me, especially after encountering the whole Paz situation in Peace walker.

This blog post pretty much sums up my feelings about how it's all handled.

So if Skullface had tortured them with just non sexual violence it would have been fine?

 

[plasmawave]

Rape in film/tv/games has become an all too common plot device that is purely designed to give the victim motivation, or for the audience to hate the perpetrator. It's used one dimensionally almost all the time.
The issue with MGSV is that it comes across more like, Paz and Chico deals with this shit, so we can hammer into the audience how bad Skullface is.
All of this felt supremely weird to me, especially after encountering the whole Paz situation in Peace walker.

This blog post pretty much sums up my feelings about how it's all handled.

Could you show me an example when rape was used effectively in any media?

 

[Iph]

The scene with the Mongolians in Windup-bird Chronicles?

 

[InfiniDragon]

Could you show me an example when rape was used effectively in any media?

Even though it wasn't the best movie in the world, the 2009 remake of The Last House on the Left handled a rape scene pretty effectively.

The main character wasn't objectified or made to sound like she enjoyed it (as some scenes in media unfortunately tend to try and do) during the scene in question; she tried to remain calm and then fought back when she had the opportunity.

The rape and attack afterwards was a major plot point as it then drove the main character's parents to vengeance which became the central story of the second half of the film.

It was one of few instances where I wasn't eye rolling at Hollywood for rape, especially given the original film it was based on.

 

[Dabookerman]

So if Skullface had tortured them with just non sexual violence it would have been fine?

Far less exploitative. Considering characters have been getting tortured in nearly every MGS game, it'd be consistent with what the series is known for.

Could you show me an example when rape was used effectively in any media?

As a "good" example.. I'd say 12 Years a Slave for a more recent example. Can't think of any for games whatsoever.

 

[plasmawave]

Even though it wasn't the best movie in the world, the 2009 remake of The Last House on the Left handled a rape scene pretty effectively.

The main character wasn't objectified or made to sound like she enjoyed it (as some scenes in media unfortunately tend to try and do) during the scene in question; she tried to remain calm and then fought back when she had the opportunity.

The rape and attack afterwards was a major plot point as it then drove the main character's parents to vengeance which became the central story of the second half of the film.

It was one of few instances where I wasn't eye rolling at Hollywood for rape, especially given the original film it was based on.

But the argument is, did it absolutely have to be rape? Do you think it couldn't have told the same story without raping the girl? What if she was beaten up and tortured to near death but not raped? Do you think that would have changed the plot too much?

 

[InfiniDragon]

But the argument is, did it absolutely have to be rape? Do you think it couldn't have told the same story without raping the girl? What if she was beaten up and tortured to near death but not raped? Do you think that would have changed the plot too much?

Yes and no. Yeah they could have rewritten it, but as the antagonists were convicted sex offenders it may have come off as weird if one of them didn't try anything.

Plus there's the parents, particularly the girl's father who was even more affected. Extreme physical violence against your child is certain to make any parent angry, some enough to even kill. But rape is always perceived as something worse, something beyond violent that in our society, someone that may not be willing to kill over violence would break that moral rule if that person were raped.

So while I can't guarantee that a person wouldn't fly off the handle and murder someone who attacked their daughter, I feel it would be more likely if the girl were raped. And since the whole plot of that film revolved around the parents becoming the Jason Voorhes-like terror to the antagonists, it may have been deemed necessary to leave in by the writers of the remake, the same writers who took out most of the similar sexual content from the original film.

 

[plasmawave]

Yes and no. Yeah they could have rewritten it, but as the antagonists were convicted sex offenders it may have come off as weird if one of them didn't try anything.

Plus there's the parents, particularly the girl's father who was even more affected. Extreme physical violence against your child is certain to make any parent angry, some enough to even kill. But rape is always perceived as something worse, something beyond violent that in our society, someone that may not be willing to kill over violence would break that moral rule if that person were raped.

So while I can't guarantee that a person wouldn't fly off the handle and murder someone who attacked their daughter, I feel it would be more likely if the girl were raped. And since the whole plot of that film revolved around the parents becoming the Jason Voorhes-like terror to the antagonists, it may have been deemed necessary to leave in by the writers of the remake, the same writers who took out most of the similar sexual content from the original film.

Then change the convicted sex offenders to something else. Nothing tells me they couldn't have told the same story without having rape in it.
A father would be furious either way.

 

[TheDanger]

Definitely The Passion of The Christ.

But that's not fiction.

Spoiler

jk

 

[Herr K]

Martyrs and Salò should be up there.

My vote go to these two:

GAME OF THRONES SEASON 3 SPOILERS!!!

Reek has it worse on the books.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I just read about and saw the stills of August Undergrounds "Mordum".

Just one question: WTF??

 

[oatmeal]

Stir of Echoes always made me shudder uncomfortable when the rape scene popped up.

Heh. Yeah

 

[mantidor]

This might not fit in the torture porn theme of the thread but I'm reading 1946's El Señor Presidente (Miguel Angel de Asturias) and one particular part of how the interrogation went for certain woman left me speechless and disturbed. I avoid most torture in modern films because is laughable and made mostly on shock value, but this one part revolt me, specially because you know stuff like that probably happened in Guatemalan dictatorships.

I haven't finished so don't spoil the ending

 

[Herr K]

This might not fit in the torture porn theme of the thread but I'm reading 1946's El Señor Presidente (Miguel Angel de Asturias) and one particular part of how the interrogation went for certain woman left me speechless and disturbed. I avoid most torture in modern films because is laughable and made mostly on shock value, but this one part revolt me, specially because you know stuff like that probably happened in Guatemalan dictatorships.

I haven't finished so don't spoil the ending

Where are you from? Dictators have always committed incredible crimes, you can still see that happening in North Korea's camps. I haven't read that book yet, but I believe Asturias' work was pretty accurate on many aspects.

By the way, his name is Miguel Ángel Asturias, not "de Asturias".

 

[Vitten]

I can watch the most gruesome stuff without flinching but for some reason the eye gouging scene in Blade Runner made me wince like a little girl.

It's the only scene I can think of that truely makes me uncomfortable.

 

[mantidor]

Where are you from? Dictators have always committed incredible crimes, you can still see that happening in North Korea's camps. I haven't read that book yet, but I believe Asturias' work was pretty accurate on many aspects.

By the way, his name is Miguel Ángel Asturias, not "de Asturias".

I'm colombian, yeah I misspell the name, I realized it seconds later but was too lazy to correct it

It is a great book though.