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[PatientGamer]

Exclusives. I dislike Microsoft with a burning passion, but I will support them vehemently when it comes to the role of exclusive games for a console.

Sony has had 2 generations worth of free-rides because of Xbox's shocking decisions. Competition is necessary.

Without competition, this industry genuinely sucks ass. Sony's lackadasical approach this gen, is proof of it. They've had to do nothing but show up.

 

[MisterXDTV]

That's it for now, but, soon XB Mode will be everywhere.

Nobody is leaving Steam for the shitty MS Store on PC....

Wake up, buddy

 

[pudel]

You are still a third-party publisher

Yes...and thats totally fine.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I voted for achievements. That's trivial to some but I enjoy a good achievement system and I think Xbox (and Steam for that matter) could use some work.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Yes...and thats totally fine.

You still didn't answer the question

What's the advantage for MS in selling games on Steam Day 1 but NEVER on Playstation and Switch???

They lose money while still being a third-party....

It's pure idiocy...

 

[SupremeJ]

Xbox mode isn't the magic bullet you are making it out to be. If we are going to point out overconfidence, I'd start there.

Okay, we'll see. It doesn't have to be a magic bullet, just a mature, very manageable UI as part of Windows that knows everything that Steam does in the big picture. Microsoft's task now is to build a serious community model for the XB Store. So far, they haven't had an effective tool for this, but the XB mode could be it.

The smartest thing about it is that they're not attacking Steam as a direct opponent, but they've managed to get Steam to be within their own territory. Now they have to show that they can be better. It'll be interesting.

 

[pudel]

You still didn't answer the question

What's the advantage for MS in selling games on Steam but not on Playstation and Switch???

There is no advantage...you are right. If they are 3rd party publisher they want to release everywhere possible.

 

[SupremeJ]

There is no advantage...you are right. If they are 3rd party publisher they want to release everywhere possible.

There is some contradiction here. According to the survey, everyone votes for exclusives. How could they be 3rd parties then? Maybe they will only do this until they make their own Store popular, or they will start sooner and build on that. MS is not Epic, they are several times stronger than them.

 

[Topher]

Okay, we'll see. It doesn't have to be a magic bullet, just a mature, very manageable UI as part of Windows that knows everything that Steam does in the big picture. Microsoft's task now is to build a serious community model for the XB Store. So far, they haven't had an effective tool for this, but the XB mode could be it.

The smartest thing about it is that they're not attacking Steam as a direct opponent, but they've managed to get Steam to be within their own territory. Now they have to show that they can be better. It'll be interesting.

The assumption here is that Xbox mode will some how become the default UI for PC gamers. For that to happen Microsoft needs to create an experience that exceeds Steam to the extent that gamers will want to see the Xbox interface first for starting their games. Windows is light years from that and, as I said, Xbox mode isn't going to change that. Microsoft has a lot of work to do.

 

[SupremeJ]

Microsoft has a lot of work to do.

I agree with this.

 

[sodstall]

On all 5 of those fronts, anything they do would really be too little too late to be Impactful.

BC doesnt mean anything if they're just gonna abandon any sense of their own legacy & exclusive IP that should have been getting built up over the last 6 years.

Just look at what happened to Perfect Dark. No new stuff on the horizon for it(exclusives) so why bother remenising(back.compat) on the same platform and ecosystem(plans,services,achivments) that skuddled its revival.

They'll put their stuff out on as many things possible because M$ is in the bussines of stadia-fying gaming at this point.

 

[pudel]

There is some contradiction here. According to the survey, everyone votes for exclusives. How could they be 3rd parties then? Maybe they will only do this until they make their own Store popular, or they will start sooner and build on that. MS is not Epic, they are several times stronger than them.

The survey shows only dreams of xbox fanboys....thats the contradiction.

 

[SupremeJ]

The survey shows only dreams of xbox fanboys....thats the contradiction.

Asha (MS) said she'll listen to us, she's been doing her job pretty diligently so far. Showcase in 3 weeks, games are coming, I'd bet on that.

 

[cireza]

Exclusives made sense in eras past where people (kids) would have 5 to 10 games on a console's lifetime, with very few games being released actually worth playing (or that even reached players due to limited distribution problems).

Nowadays you can easily build up libraries larger than you can play on a life time. I can replace an astrobot or a god of war with 10 other games if i dont get to play those.

I don't really see how this changes anything to the exclusives discussion. I don't think that people playing on Nintendo consoles for example buy, in average, more than 10 games ? But you can be sure a lot of them will be exclusives.

 

[SpokkX]

while I sole my last Xbox already and play only on Steam and Nintendo - I for one would love it if they went for exclusives again. They make for some exciting competition at least

Just keep them on Steam I guess.

 

[geary]

I don't get the responses. It feels like people don't know their priorities as customers or players.
If I had to choose between being able to play my old library on a new device vs wanting a game to not be released on the competitor's platform (which doesn't affect me as a player since I already have access to it), it's pretty clear which option is more advantageous for me.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I don't really see how this changes anything to the exclusives discussion. I don't think that people playing on Nintendo consoles for example buy, in average, more than 10 games ? But you can be sure a lot of them will be exclusives.

The crucial difference here is that Nintendo's main source of revenue are their IPs, they arent making marios and zeldas as some sort of tactic to get people in their ecosystem, they are their bread and butter. Xbox and Sony's consoles are, at the end of the day, third party machines.

 

[John Marston]

Backwards Compatibility.

Never underestimate the power of nostalgia.

 

[cireza]

The crucial difference here is that Nintendo's main source of revenue are their IPs. Xbox and Sony's consoles are, at the end of the day, third party machines.

So why even bother making first party games ? ㄟ( ▔, ▔ )ㄏ

Well actually, maybe Sony don't bother much anymore lol.

 

[Guilty_AI]

So why even bother making first party games ? ㄟ( ▔, ▔ )ㄏ

Well actually, maybe Sony don't bother much anymore lol.

As i posted in my edit, nintendo's Marios, Pokemons and Zeldas aren't some sort of strategy to get players into a nintendo ecosystem, they are the de facto products of nintendo. Its what makes them money. That is not the case for sony and MS.

 

[mayham2199]

The crucial difference here is that Nintendo's main source of revenue are their IPs, they arent making marios and zeldas as some sort of tactic to get people in their ecosystem, they are their bread and butter. Xbox and Sony's consoles are, at the end of the day, third party machines.

Exactly so if you have two machines essentially just playing the same amount of games why wouldn't you buy the machine that has Wolverine and Spiderman on top of it? If you have friends who have Xbox or PS you'll probably just go with that sure but for everyone else they'll maybe look at the other games like a Spiderman 2 PS5 bundle and decide to go with that.

 

[GloveSlap]

New backwards compatible games by far. Their console business is cooked, but they should try to help secure that legacy on the way out.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Exactly so if you have two machines essentially just playing the same amount of games why wouldn't you buy the machine that has Wolverine and Spiderman on top of it? If you have friends who have Xbox or PS you'll probably just go with that sure but for everyone else they'll maybe look at the other games like a Spiderman 2 PS5 bundle and decide to go with that.

That assumes the player has some major invested interest in Spiderman and wolverine (and also doesn't have their own reasons to go with another platform).

Like, do you have any idea how big Nintendo's IPs are? Even when compared to the likes of spider man?

 

[reinking]

XBOX fans can't even agree on what exclusives will look like. You have the console only crowd. The console + PC crowd. The console + PC MS store only crowd. Good luck Asha.

 

[panda-zebra]

What do you want to make xbox better? Exclusives? If you're voting for exclusives you're just a bit of a twat who wants the same games you were always going to have, but get to play them wearing a smug smile because somebody else doesn't get to join you.

This whole hear you-engagement-voting-retro logo-etc. dog shit is just a new veneer on the same old routine. They keep you dangling with your hopes and dreams wishing for the magic dawn of a new era which never fucking ever materialises because keeping you subscribing and consuming is the only thing that matters to them. Anyone seeing this AI drone bringing in her AI drone cronies as anything other than an Occam's razor inevitability is a truly special kind of disciple. Jeb-end Corden tier.

 

[Three]

So here is everybody voting exclusives meanwhile they're probably just getting started with Switch ports too.

 

[mayham2199]

That assumes the player has some major invested interest in Spiderman and wolverine (and also doesn't have their own reasons to go with another platform).

Like, do you have any idea how big Nintendo's IPs are? Even when compared to the likes of spider man?

You don't even have to have some major interest IMO. Just a small interest could be enough to sway you from one to the other all else being equal. We already got the survey report that said exclusives were the main driver and this is a survey that has been done for years already with exclusives always being at the top. If you want to pretend those things don't matter anymore that's fine. We've seen how that experiment is playing out with Xbox already and it's not going well and they are doing worse than ever.

Yes I know how big Nintendo IPs are.

 

[Guilty_AI]

You don't even have to have some major interest IMO. Just a small interest could be enough to sway you from one to the other all else being equal.

Except you're assuming, wrongly, that all else is equal. Especially on the level of "small interest".

 

[Physiognomonics]

Problem is with them owing so many publishers that strategy will never be possible anymore even if they had more success with their Xboxes.

And the term exclusive has been misused mainly by Microsoft for so long now. I don't think the Xbox fans even know the real meaning of it. One year exclusivity might be enough for many of them. But that's not what it means.

 

[Evil Calvin]

More BC. There are so many more Xbox and Xbox 360 games which are not BC ....... (looking at you Blur!!!)

 

[Jigsaah]

As a consumer, I would care most about free online.

If this is for what's best for Xbox, they need to get back to being the Xbox of the 360 days, sans kinect. So exclusives are probably the most important topic to approach.

As long as they are limited to Xbox and PC I think that's okay but they really need to make their presence felt on PC. Like if you're gonna take on Steam, that is arguably a larger uphill battle than recouping ground against Sony. Especially if you're putting Steam on your consoles.

But the other end of this is that, how can you justify block buster games being sold to a smaller audience. Make Xbox and PC as synonymous as possible and go from there. Exclusives on an Xbox PC app though is gonna be needed. Its gonna hurt, but I don't see how else they can compete with Steam without it.

Epic tried this I know, but I feel like Xbox would have a better foothold if they could get their UI in order.

 

[MisterXDTV]

And the term exclusive has been misused mainly by Microsoft for so long now. I don't think the Xbox fans even know the real meaning of it. One year exclusivity might be enough for many of them. But that's not what it means.

For Xbox shills exclusive basically means = No Playstation release, ever

That's all they care about now

Too bad just cancelling PS versions won't make them exclusive at all and will kill their sales in the process...

The worst of both worlds

 

[baphomet]

They're selling multiple times the amount of games on PS5 and PC as they do Xbox.

There's no point they ever go back to having exclusives.

 

[ReBurn]

Sounds like gamers generally want Xbox to get back to basics. Make games that are worth buying hardware for. Makes sense.

I don't really care that much anymore as I'm not really investing in Xbox at the moment aside from Game Pass, so backward compatibility is at the top of my list.

 

[Camreezie]

The only way theyre going back to exclusives is if they miraculously gain a huge market share. The PS+PC port money is gonna be too big for them to ignore

 

[GinSama]

For Xbox shills exclusive basically means = No Playstation release, ever

That's all they care about now

Too bad just cancelling PS versions won't make them exclusive at all and will kill their sales in the process...

The worst of both worlds

Not sure why the suprise since the original Xbox always they always shared their games with pc.


Jade empire, fable, Kotor, morrowind, Halo wars, condemned, dead rising, gow etc etc

All this games came or went to PC at the same time as the console version, since the OG Xbox.... Is not something that players cared only about now. It always like this.

 

[Sanepar]

Exclusives are good, but with Xbox that still means "also on PC". Especially with their next system.

Why this is a problem? Why console players hate that games are available on PC? Because PC players will play with better quality and u guys hate that? I will never understand.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Xbox exclusives and free online would be a very interesting move. I'm pretty sure the latter won't happen, but if it did then I will be paying closer attention to the next generation of Xbox/Helix.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Not sure why the suprise since the original Xbox always they always shared their games with pc.

What?

'Till the Xbox One failure, Xbox had real exclusives. I remember their sports games for example, Forza, Gears, Halo

The had a fucking badge on the cover that said: "ONLY ON XBOX"

What are you talking about??

 

[dorkimoe]

I voted for achievements. That's trivial to some but I enjoy a good achievement system and I think Xbox (and Steam for that matter) could use some work.

i agree with this, but for competition sake i did exclusives. I HATE that nintendo wont do achievements. I know its dumb but i always enjoyed unlocking achievements

 

[Tobimacoss]

XBOX fans can't even agree on what exclusives will look like. You have the console only crowd. The console + PC crowd. The console + PC MS store only crowd. Good luck Asha.

Screw them all. Just make everything Gamepass and xCloud exclusive.

Surprise everybody, Asha.

 

[rm082e]

Without exclusives, they're just Activision Blizzard with extra steps. I wouldn't have bought an ABK console. I wouldn't buy an EA console, or an Ubisoft console.

But without Xbox in the marketplace, PlayStation will certainly go to shit. Competition is good.

 

[mopspear]

You guys picked the Corpo lifepath and then refused to harm any Arasaka NPCs.

 

[pudel]

Screw them all. Just make everything Gamepass and xCloud exclusive.

Surprise everybody, Asha.

Honestly....that would be fun to watch...but it would be like someone making seppuku in front of yr eyes like funny.

 

[kungfuian]

Still think we see a revision to their day and date strategy. I'd guess timed exclusivity, but not in the traditional sense. I'm thinking really really short timed exclusivity, like a month.

All x-box players get their games 'Early Access' 30 days before the competitors. It's enough to potentially incentivize the X-box users if marketed as 'Play it on X-box First', or just 'X-box first', but not long enough to impact sales everywhere else.

We will see....

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

In a top 5 list the most asked for things are features players would pay nothing for AND a request to remove an avenue for the company to actually make MONEY on the products they own/produce.

Seriously?

A family plan - share the stuff I bought with more people for free.
BC - I want to play my old games on a new console/hardware platform for free.
Free Online - I want to play my old games, that I am sharing with more people, on a new console, with an updated multiplayer infrastructure, for FREE.

 

[GinSama]

What?

'Till the Xbox One failure, Xbox had real exclusives. I remember their sports games for example, Forza, Gears, Halo

The had a fucking badge on the cover that said: "ONLY ON XBOX"

What are you talking about??

Jade empire came to PC after a year or so,
Kotor a few months
Halo two years after
Fable one year after
Gow one year later
Condemned one year after
The Chronicles of Riddick months
Dreamfall same time


Funny that are lot more console exclusives that you could have put, and you actually choose one game that even with the badge only in Xbox, they end up porting that game to the PS2.
And btw that game came out to PC as well.

Point is Xbox always shared games with pc. So this take of people don't their games going to PS5 just because, Makes no sense since Xbox always had games going to PC eventually .... Since the OG Xbox.

Edit. Actually after seeing your post history not even going to bother to continue this.

 

[Unfortunatecookie]

Xbox exclusives and free online would be a very interesting move. I'm pretty sure the latter won't happen, but if it did then I will be paying closer attention to the next generation of Xbox/Helix.

The plot twist is the latter is more likely to happen than the former.

Due to Helix being a hybrid PC thingy, they can't charge for online multiplayer when PC doesn't have such a requirement. GFWL proved this; PC gamers will sayonara the second you try to impose console restrictions on PC.

Exclusives could happen, but it won't move the needle. They had exclusives and continued to fail spectacularly. The only people who don't remember this are the same people who cheerleaded Phil Spencer until it was time to start doing backflips for Asha Sharma.

 

[Bonfires Down]

In a top 5 list the most asked for things are features players would pay nothing for AND a request to remove an avenue for the company to actually make MONEY on the products they own/produce.

Seriously?

A family plan - share the stuff I bought with more people for free.
BC - I want to play my old games on a new console/hardware platform for free.
Free Online - I want to play my old games, that I am sharing with more people, on a new console, with an updated multiplayer infrastructure, for FREE.

They should have asked for higher Xbox Live prices and an end to BC, those ungrateful bastards.

 

[midnightAI]

Exclusives. I dislike Microsoft with a burning passion, but I will support them vehemently when it comes to the role of exclusive games for a console.

Sony has had 2 generations worth of free-rides because of Xbox's shocking decisions. Competition is necessary.

Without competition, this industry genuinely sucks ass. Sony's lackadasical approach this gen, is proof of it. They've had to do nothing but show up.

I don't think that's it with Sony, I think part of it is a direction change they made with GAAS part way through the gen, we would have at least had TLOU GAAS game and probably a couple more if GAAS was doing well for Sony but it just isn't. And that change in direction has cost them and their studios lots of time and money, they got away with it because the gen has still made them lots of money due to ms being completely out of the picture.

I also think because of this and because of lots of other timings that they could actually have a very good end to the gen/start to next gen which is (partial) guesswork on my part (I think a few games have been internally delayed to start the PS6 gen with a bang)