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[MisterXDTV]

The plot twist is the latter is more likely to happen than the former.

Due to Helix being a hybrid PC thingy, they can't charge for online multiplayer when PC doesn't have such a requirement. GFWL proved this; PC gamers will sayonara the second you try to impose console restrictions on PC.

Exclusives could happen, but it won't move the needle. They had exclusives and continued to fail spectacularly. The only people who don't remember this are the same people who cheerleaded Phil Spencer until it was time to start doing backflips for Asha Sharma.

Exactly

The "free online" thing is fake: it's free because it's a fucking PC in a different form factor, not because MS is generous. Nobody will ever pay online for PC games, when Steam offers it for free

Can't believe people don't get this

After the Helix desperation pivot, Valve becomes Microsoft's direct competitor, not Sony

Good luck with that

 

[crackajack]

BC is kinda a given when sticking with x86 and AMD. And even ARM full BC should be possible when Valve can do Win on Linux and ARM and RCPS3 can do Cell on x86 and ARM.
Achievements and trophies are still hit and miss very often. Should be improved, but are essentially not actually important even though I am doing a lot of them just because they exist.
I don't really care about free online. I barely play online even though I pay Plus.
No need for a family plan either.
Exclusives are important for a platform, to sell itself, since I am not a platform, I much rather have just good games and don't care if anyone else can play these too.
So none of the vote options.

 

[ResilientBanana]

They don't have enough consoles in peoples hands to warrant exclusives. Budgets for their big games need to be slashed in order to make profit.

 

[Black_Stride]

Point is Xbox always shared games with pc. So this take of people don't their games going to PS5 just because, Makes no sense since Xbox always had games going to PC eventually .... Since the OG Xbox.

Mate Xbox had exclusives out the ass in years past.
From my own catalogue (Ill be listing sequels to make my list seem longer) - Some of which are actually still stuck on their OG system due to no BC:

• Amped
• Amped 2
• Amped 3
• Steel Batallion - For obvious reason I guess.
• RalliSport Challenge 2 - how is this NOT BC?
• Project Gotham Racing
• Project Gotham Racing 2
• Project Gotham Racing 3
• Project Gotham Racing 4
• Quantum RedShift
• Crackdown
• Crackdown 2
• Chromehounds
• Blinx
• Blinx 2
• Phantom Crash - Not Phantom Dust (When the remake of Dust was announced I was hype to replay Crash.....it wasnt the game I was thinking of)
• Otogi
• Otogi 2
• Breakdown
• Crimson Skies
• Saints Row - Yes the OG was exclusive
• Jet Set Radio Future
• Kung Fu Chaos
• Mech Assault
• Mech Assault 2
• GunValkyrie - Lost my disk.
• Dead or Alive 3 - Yes they never did an Ultimate for PS2
• Dead or Alive 4 - Yes they never did an Ultimate for PS3 (Really looked like DoA was gonna be Xbox Tekken)
• Forza Motorsport
• Forza Motorsport 2
• Forza Motorsport 3
• Forza Motorsport 4 - The pinnacle of the series
• We dont talk about Forza Motorsport 5
• Fuzion Frenzy
• Fuzion Frenzy 2
• N3
• N3-2
• Ridge Racer 6 - Im not joking
• Ace Combat 6 - Im not joking
• Halo 5 - How is this NOT in the MCC?
• Naruto Rise of a Ninja - One of if not the best Naruto game.
• Naruto Broken Bond - One of if not the best Naruto game.
• Lost Odyssey
• Blue Dragon
• Kameo
• Infinite Undiscovery
• Gears of War 2
• Gears of War 3
• Gears of War J
• Fable 2
• Magna Carta 2 - Art by the Stellar Blade guy.....hes liked Thick Thighs for minute.

I know im missing alot, especially Xbox Arcade/Download only games.
I used to love looking out for the "Only On Xbox" badge........alas with the end of the Xbox 360 that stopped mattering anywhere near as much as third parties dominated what I was playing by then.
By mid Xbox One I had pretty much become a PC only player.




But I do agree that I dont think MS should go back to making exclusives......timed exclusives sure, pure exclusives, you are sending those game to die because there simply wont be enough consoles out there for the game to be a major success.
Smaller games that dont need to do 5 - 10 million units+ to break even sure.

 

[GinSama]

Mate Xbox had exclusives out the ass in years past.
From my own catalogue (Ill be listing sequels to make my list seem longer) - Some of which are actually still stuck on their OG system due to no BC:

• Amped
• Amped 2
• Amped 3
• Steel Batallion - For obvious reason I guess.
• RalliSport Challenge 2 - how is this NOT BC?
• Project Gotham Racing
• Project Gotham Racing 2
• Project Gotham Racing 3
• Project Gotham Racing 4
• Quantum RedShift
• Crackdown
• Crackdown 2
• Chromehounds
• Blinx
• Blinx 2
• Phantom Crash - Not Phantom Dust (When the remake of Dust was announced I was hype to replay Crash.....it wasnt the game I was thinking of)
• Otogi
• Otogi 2
• Breakdown
• Crimson Skies
• Saints Row - Yes the OG was exclusive
• Jet Set Radio Future
• Kung Fu Chaos
• Mech Assault
• Mech Assault 2
• GunValkyrie - Lost my disk.
• Dead or Alive 3 - Yes they never did an Ultimate for PS2
• Dead or Alive 4 - Yes they never did an Ultimate for PS3 (Really looked like DoA was gonna be Xbox Tekken)
• Forza Motorsport
• Forza Motorsport 2
• Forza Motorsport 3
• Forza Motorsport 4 - The pinnacle of the series
• We dont talk about Forza Motorsport 5
• Fuzion Frenzy
• Fuzion Frenzy 2
• N3
• N3-2
• Ridge Racer 6 - Im not joking
• Ace Combat 6 - Im not joking
• Halo 5 - How is this NOT in the MCC?
• Naruto Rise of a Ninja - One of if not the best Naruto game.
• Naruto Broken Bond - One of if not the best Naruto game.
• Lost Odyssey
• Blue Dragon
• Kameo
• Infinite Undiscovery
• Gears of War 2
• Gears of War 3
• Gears of War J
• Fable 2
• Magna Carta 2 - Art by the Stellar Blade guy.....hes liked Thick Thighs for minute.

I know im missing alot, especially Xbox Arcade/Download only games.
I used to love looking out for the "Only On Xbox" badge........alas with the end of the Xbox 360 that stopped mattering anywhere near as much as third parties dominated what I was playing by then.
By mid Xbox One I had pretty much become a PC only player.




But I do agree that I dont think MS should go back to making exclusives......timed exclusives sure, pure exclusives, you are sending those game to die because there simply wont be enough consoles out there for the game to be a major success.
Smaller games that dont need to do 5 - 10 million units+ to break even sure.

At no point I said the opposite, nor I said that Xbox didn't had exclusive games.


I only said that Xbox had always shared games with pc. Which is true. This was never an issue back then not sure why is now....

 

[envyzeal]

Most Upvoted Feedback on Xbox HQ:
- Xbox fans actually buying our games

 

[Black_Stride]

At no point I said the opposite, nor I said that Xbox didn't had exclusive games.


I only said that Xbox had always shared games with pc. Which is true. This was never an issue back then not sure why is now....

You sayin always was as to dismiss that PC ports were actually rare.
They were outliers.......it wasnt something somene could say Xbox "always" ported to PC.
You make it sound like the norm when it wasnt.

 

[Drew1440]

Depends what they mean by exclusives, I liked they released titles on both the PC and Xbox One, especially with Play Anywhere. However their PC titles were exclusive to the Windows Store which was limited to UWP apps only which caused some issues with modding. And some struggled to download the games using the built in Windows store. They did end up releasing their games on Steam, which I would argue is their competitor platform.
True console exclusives that we saw on the Xbox and the 360 era were horrible, so many games like Gears of War 2 are stuck on those platforms.

 

[DragonNCM]

I'm kind old now so voted for backwards compatibility

 

[Tobimacoss]

Free online multiplayer has risen up to 2nd spot.

 

[wolffy66]

If these people really like Microsoft games, they should be careful wishing for exclusives. Xbox is not going to out PlayStation the PlayStation. Xbox exclusives would just ensure less investment in Xbox games

Its either exclusives or xbox just divests of gaming. The path they took for multiplats obviously didnt work and further weakened the platform. Theres really no other option.

 

[Deficit]

Just imagine of xbox made subnautica 2 and forza 6 exclusive, it could have been big for xbox. For all console competitors, exclusives is important for quality, for better competition, to make a console enticing, and for growth of fanbase just like the success of past consoles in the 90's and early 2000.

When are you guys gonna leave the 2000s?

 

[poppabk]

Exclusives. Since the PS4/Xbox One gen, I've been waiting for Microsoft to give me a reason to buy a console.

Video games are one of the few things I splurge on, and even as a single dude with spare cash, they never offered me something I wanted and couldn't already get on PC or PS4/PS5.

But isn't that good for us? I understand exclusives as a plus for the company trying to sell consoles - I never understood how it is good for me as a player.

 

[evanft]

Forza Motorsport 4 - The pinnacle of the series

 

[MisterXDTV]

But isn't that good for us? I understand exclusives as a plus for the company trying to sell consoles - I never understood how it is good for me as a player.

It gives value to the choice you made picking that platform instead of others

Unless you are so rich you have a gaming PC, a Sony console, a Nintendo console, a Xbox console . But that's not the actual reality for 99% of people

Exclusives = value

 

[ReasonBeing]

Its either exclusives or xbox just divests of gaming. The path they took for multiplats obviously didnt work and further weakened the platform. Theres really no other option.

False dichotomy. "There's really no other option" to achieve what exactly?

 

[pudel]

Its either exclusives or xbox just divests of gaming. The path they took for multiplats obviously didnt work and further weakened the platform. Theres really no other option.

Maybe there was just no need for this "platform" anymore? Xbox has now several studios under their hood...they can easily act as 3rd party publisher...same as Embracer, Ubisoft, EA etc.

 

[wolffy66]

Maybe there was just no need for this "platform" anymore? Xbox has now several studios under their hood...they can easily act as 3rd party publisher...same as Embracer, Ubisoft, EA etc.

They could but I'm not sure that Microsoft could be any clearer in their concept of subscription services. I dont believe they would be interested in just selling games.

 

[wolffy66]

False dichotomy. "There's really no other option" to achieve what exactly?

A successful xbox ecosystem

 

[DreamcastSkies]

Backwards Compatibility.

Never underestimate the power of nostalgia.

I've been saying for years Xbox deserves more credit for the work they put into backwards compatibility across their consoles.

 

[ReasonBeing]

A successful xbox ecosystem

To be clear, you responded to a post where I said "if people want more Microsoft games, let's hope they stay multiplatform to ensure more investment", and your response is "no, they either need to sell to a smaller market for a healthy Xbox ecosystem, or they should leave gaming?"

I don't see how your proposal allows for MS to keep making games while mine leads to them leaving the industry.

 

[Lucie Goosey]

Exclusives, without question. Competition is healthy for the industry.

Duuummbb. Multiplatform has no negative effects on where you play Last of Us 3, and all the positives of a superior platform (PC).

People talking about competition like they understand competition ceases to exist on PC.

Same as people who think a private option (healthcare or any other example) existing alongside a public option means less competition. It's the opposite. That is literally the definition of competition.

Exclusivity is for people afraid of competition.

Sony puts their game on PC and it doesn't sell as well because why? Because competition. Because the game isn't actually as good as people think it is, but there's people lapping it up on Playstation because their fragile egos are having an identity crisis and they need to support the cult cough cough brand so they feel they belong to something.

 

[Dacvak]

Duuummbb. Multiplatform has no negative effects on where you play Last of Us 3, and all the positives of a superior platform (PC).

People talking about competition like they understand competition ceases to exist on PC.

Same as people who think a private option (healthcare or any other example) existing alongside a public option means less competition. It's the opposite. That is literally the definition of competition.

Exclusivity is for people afraid of competition.

Sony puts their game on PC and it doesn't sell as well because why? Because competition. Because the game isn't actually as good as people think it is, but there's people lapping it up on Playstation because their fragile egos are having an identity crisis and they need to support the cult cough cough brand so they feel they belong to something.

We're talking about two different things. You're talking about competition for individual games. I (and the rest of the thread) is talking about the competition of platforms.

If you want to have multiple platforms in the future, you need to have competition on a platform level. Because almost all platforms are homogenized at this point (maybe with the exception of the Switch, but even that is pretty homogeneous), the primary differentiator for platforms is exclusive titles.

That's what we're talking about. If you're okay having one singular platform moving forward, then sure, you've got the right idea. The problem is that platform owners are also generally game developers, and so with no platform competition, there's no reason to even release things on multiple platforms. If the PS5 was completely dominant (in the same way Nintendo is), they wouldn't release their games on other platforms like PC.

I'm talking about platform competition, not specific games. It sounds like you're a PC guy, and PC will never evolve beyond better specs. And that's fine. But you're not really addressing the core issue in this thread.

 

[II_JumPeR_I]

I am the only one with a deja vu?
Im pretty sure Xbox had such Feedback site/forum before were people could vote stuff.
That was years ago

 

[Fess]

The more I think about it the more I realize how risky this move is for PR…

Asha say "Hear you" in an X post about exclusives and then officially say that they need to listen more to their community.

Then they start this player voice site where having exclusives is the most requested wish the community have.

Some questions…

Can they suddenly go : "- lalala sorry I can't hear you!" after this and ignore the request without a big negative PR backlash?

Can they scrap old publishing plans already setup possibly years ago to save face in the upcoming XBOX event?

Is it enough for the community if they come out during the summer event and say "We hear you, XBOX will have more exclusives.
But Gears, Fable, Halo will still come to PS5 because of the old team. Here are some cool trailers!
You'll see the results of how much this new team listen to you the community in another 7 years or so when these dev teams are ready for new releases. Pretty cool right?" ?

Hmmm…

 

[adamsapple]

Backwards Compatibility.

Never underestimate the power of nostalgia.

A man after my own heart.

There's still a bunch of prominent OG and Xbox 360 games that aren't BC that I would love to relive those glory days.

 

[wolffy66]

To be clear, you responded to a post where I said "if people want more Microsoft games, let's hope they stay multiplatform to ensure more investment", and your response is "no, they either need to sell to a smaller market for a healthy Xbox ecosystem, or they should leave gaming?"

I don't see how your proposal allows for MS to keep making games while mine leads to them leaving the industry.

Keeping their games multiplat earns them a few million $$ up front. Does that matter to the Xbox division? Maybe. Does it matter to MS? Doubtful

MS wants to grow subs and their storefront to make larger $$$.

At one point maybe they just wanted to sell copies of Halo. Not anymore. Every dollar they spend is compared to a dollar spent somewhere else. They want recurring monthly subs and larger revenue cuts from the storefront.

Will that work? Probably not. They will sell off and or close studios when it doesn't. And spend their $$$ on some dumbass AI idea.

 

[Lucie Goosey]

We're talking about two different things. You're talking about competition for individual games. I (and the rest of the thread) is talking about the competition of platforms.

If you want to have multiple platforms in the future, you need to have competition on a platform level. Because almost all platforms are homogenized at this point (maybe with the exception of the Switch, but even that is pretty homogeneous), the primary differentiator for platforms is exclusive titles.

That's what we're talking about. If you're okay having one singular platform moving forward, then sure, you've got the right idea. The problem is that platform owners are also generally game developers, and so with no platform competition, there's no reason to even release things on multiple platforms. If the PS5 was completely dominant (in the same way Nintendo is), they wouldn't release their games on other platforms like PC.

I'm talking about platform competition, not specific games. It sounds like you're a PC guy, and PC will never evolve beyond better specs. And that's fine. But you're not really addressing the core issue in this thread.

That's fair. I jumped the gun a bit, and these sort of matters and their impact long term can be nuanced. I can recognize that having many different platforms, provided it doesn't create lbig difficulties for developers, is probably ideal.