oneils
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Ok...still justified from her end. What the hell does she owe these guys if this is in fact the case? Oh yeah, you here to settle billy-joe's coke debt? Come right on in! Nice Knife by the way!
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Mother (18) kills intruder breaking into her home while on phone with 911
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Ok...still justified from her end. What the hell does she owe these guys if this is in fact the case? Oh yeah, you here to settle billy-joe's coke debt? Come right on in! Nice Knife by the way!
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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A firearm can also be used for target shooting and competitive shooting, it doesn't have to be used for killing things. Hell, weapons are made for match competition only and not for use as a self-defense weapon.
What about martial arts weapons?
Dreams-Visions
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I see. Maybe in your situation a knife would be more effective. Well no, that takes even more skill than firearms. I wouldn't want to have to deal with close-quarters combat issues, as I have no martial arts training.
But really, if you just took a basic gun safety class, you won't find yourself in a position to have something wrestled away.
If you read what I posted earlier, I said firearms can be legitimately used for hunting, as farming tools, for sports shooting etc. At this point you are just re-iterating what I said. As for martial arts weapons, I have some. Nothing wrong with them, so long as the people who have them are registered/affiliated with a martial arts organisation.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Or even just a hostler with good retention...or not putting it in an elastic waistband at the club. lol
Dreams-Visions
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I was thinking about that just the other day. If Plaxico had owned an xD instead of a basic revolver, he wouldn't have shot himself. The double-saftey on those guns just make me want to smile.
Nah, he would have found a way.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Yeah, it's why I stayed the hell away from a Glock. I recall hearing when NYPD first switched to them there where a lot of ND's ending with cops shooting themselves in the thighs or asses, hence the phrase Glock Leg. Beretta and the 1911 handle safety nicely. XD9 was good too, I just don't like the subcompact feel in my hand.
It's sad when anybody dies, but it's hard to not say that he had it coming. Breaking and entering, and then lunged at her with a knife. Presumably he saw the gun being pointed at him, too, and still tried to kill her. That part kind of squashed any iota of pity I had for the guy. The stereotypical struggling father resorting to breaking and entering to feed his starving children would have ran the hell away when he had a gun pointed at him.
Lots of Criminal Defense Force in this thread! Fuck that woman, these two men with no regards to the law or rights of an 18 year old widowed mother deserved their own RIGHTS.
I swear, it's like you guys live in fucking Candyland.
LowEndTorque
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2nd Amendment ftw.
Yeah, he had a knife, she has a baby. I'm sure he was coming over for a friendly chat.
Moron. I hope nobody is currently depending on you for any kind of support.
No, she should have shot him AFTER he had poked the baby with the knife a few times. Silly girl.
Criminal Defense GAF blows my mind, every time.
Togglesworlh
Banned
A baby-rapist and mother-killer. Or something like that.
Please, PLEASE don't do this. People being idealists about self-defense does not mean they are literally defending criminals. To be honest, I would not be upset if the guy was down for the count, but happened to survive and wound up going to jail. Maybe he could have turned things around and made something decent of himself after getting out of prison, who knows? None of that means that I'm oh-so-concerned about the lives of violent criminals in hostile situations.
MightyHealthy
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Wherever you're from. Where an 18 year old widow being robbed and/or murdered is a better alternative.
it's called europe
Dreams-Visions
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yea, takes a special kind of low-life.
What's the point of being an idealist if all of that goes out the window the instant something actually happens? Is there anyone on GAF who, if put in an identical situation, would NOT have shot the guy as he entered the house? And don't give me that "Bu-bu- I would have shot him in the leg / arm / pinky toe instead" excuse. You probably are not a marksman; center mass is the only reliable target. And there are major arteries in the arms and legs too, people die from gunshot wounds there. This isn't Call of Duty.
Do people actually expect an 18 year old to be thinking "Hm, maybe I should shoot to injure, or better yet, NOT use the guns I have at my disposal while these guys break into my house with knives"?
She was in her own house, protecting herself and her child. If the men had left, she would not have chased them with the gun. All the people posting hypotheticals (She could have done this or that differently) should take it back another step and simply say the men could have chosen not to attempt a break in. For all the good spewing hypotheticals does.
I live in fucking Candyland.
So she & the child would have been raped and murdered instead..?
evil solrac v3.0
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just to reiterate, there is no shooting to wound. period. end of story. you get shot and survive or die. that's it.
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People need to stop acting like the mom has Fallout 3 style slow mo limb shooting abilities. I highly doubt the 18 year old single mom moonlights as a professional marksman.
Also, human circulatory system. Look it up.
exactly
or maybe the woman would have had a knife and it would have been like that scene from michael jackson's "bad"
Scuba Steve
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JUST AIM FOR THE ARM
JUST AIM FOR THE ARM
I don't know who's playing, but he's about to get fucked.
Count Dookkake
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Beat It.
GAF's crazy as usual. Only place on the planet where someone would prefer an 18 year old mother potentially raped or killed, perhaps even both. And who knows what to her son, but hey. At least the guy who committed the heinous crime would still be alive! Clearly that would be a more just solution to the issue.
When it comes to self preservation, all bets are off. Probably not something you'd like to think about, and of course while sitting safely on your computer, you wont. But put into that situation, all of us wouldn't have acted much differently.
When it comes to self preservation, all bets are off. Probably not something you'd like to think about, and of course while sitting safely on your computer, you wont. But put into that situation, all of us wouldn't have acted much differently.
Also, she used the shotgun. Not exactly a precision weapon.
Boogalogist
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GAF.....a defense force for anything and everything!
No, I think several countries in the middle east would argue this as well, and we've had lots of neogaf threads about them already.
Dreams-Visions
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even if mom was a pro marksman, she'd know you don't shoot to wound.
2 to the chest, thank you and goodnight.
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desertdroog
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It was pointed out before that she is in a rural area:
Blanchard, OK is a small town of less than 8k people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard,_Oklahoma
Aparently they have their own police dept though:
http://www.blanchardpd.com/
Edit: With 21 sworn officers.
Oh, that makes more sense.
This is the first thing that occured to me. Where the hell does she live? In the fallout wasteland? If so she could have easily shot him in the leg with VATS and crippled the limb. Let him try catch her with a gimpy leg...
Anyway, I'm glad she is safe.Maybe the exposure will help her and her baby get a safer abode.
The perp got what he deserved, it was his own actions that kill him. I don't see what other choices she had. Fair play to her.
desertdroog
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Yeah, but you have to expect that not all 21 sworn officers would be on duty at the same time...Unless they are all Robocops?
sazabirules
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Just because she is listed as living in a rural town doesn't mean she is close enough for the police to arrive within 20 minutes.
Maybe they are... nah, you're right, I was just pointing out they are not without a PD.
desertdroog
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That's a fair point, and I didn't mean to imply they didn't have a PD, though some rural areas are not incorporated and need to rely upon neighboring townships/counties for dedicated First Responders who are not volunteers.
As someone who was raised by a single mother and also has a few friends who are single mothers, I can relate. You do not want to feel the wrath of a single mother. And if it were me, I'd go after the second guy too just to prove a point.
Reading about the article made me happy for her. I'm very proud that she had to make that difficult decision. During the whole ordeal she must've been truly terrified.
Reading about the article made me happy for her. I'm very proud that she had to make that difficult decision. During the whole ordeal she must've been truly terrified.
Jim E. Rossler
Banned
Were the cops using SERPA's?
Those are bad for glocks especially, your finger is pushing down near where the trigger ends up, and with no safety net, ND
My CCW class instructor told us to stay away from em
Like others have said, giving a warning to men coming for YOU is a bad idea. It's one thing to go downstairs and shoot a guy rustling in your kitchen, it's another to barricade yourself in your room, only to have it burst down by two men with knives
You tell them you have a gun, maybe they'll split up, take a window, distract you, get you to fire a shell and then rush while your pumping the next shell, etc
"I broke down your front door, found your room, and broke down your room door while holding a hunting knife with my armed accomplice while you were home alone with your child, but if you had just given me a stern warning, I would have just left!
It's not like I was coming after you or anything!"
People keep talking about the shotgun, like it has no accuracy
It's not like in COD guys. An Open choke standard length barrel (Probably what she had) can have around one INCH of spread per YARD
If she was 9 feet away from the door, that's THREE INCHES OF SPREAD
Not three feet, three INCHES
You have to aim within that margin to hit ANYTHING, you dont hipfire in the general direction like in your vidyagamez. If she was off his body by 3 inches at 9 feet, she wouldn't be hitting anything.
I dunno but she pretty much fus roh dah'd one scumbag into the afterlife so I'd say she can keep on keepin on.
I don't own a gun and never would, but if I did and someone broke into my house, I would shout "I have a gun and if you don't fuck off right now, I'm going to shoot you". If someone broke into my house with a knife and wouldn't take the warning that they could be shot and they came at me, I'd have to shoot them.
In America, it's common for people to have guns in their homes and criminals would know that. They also know that there are laws that allow people to protect themselves with deadly force if necessary. I don't like hearing about someone losing their life, even if it is some scumbag who was breaking into someone's home armed, but I can't feel much sympathy for them. Their own choices got them killed. You can say "what if" and imagine scenarios where the cops roll up to save the day or whatever, but then you can also "what if" scenarios where things turn out much worse for the girl too, had she not pulled the trigger.
In America, it's common for people to have guns in their homes and criminals would know that. They also know that there are laws that allow people to protect themselves with deadly force if necessary. I don't like hearing about someone losing their life, even if it is some scumbag who was breaking into someone's home armed, but I can't feel much sympathy for them. Their own choices got them killed. You can say "what if" and imagine scenarios where the cops roll up to save the day or whatever, but then you can also "what if" scenarios where things turn out much worse for the girl too, had she not pulled the trigger.
didnt read all the comments in this thread because most are probably stupid and probably defending the criminals but this just popped in my head when I read this story
won't that baby have some serious ear damage from a shotgun going off right next to its head without any ear protection. Shes holding two guns and a baby so i'm assuming she couldn't earmuff it.
Never fired a shotgun before so i'm not sure how loud they are but was wondering if this could have did some major damage to the baby's eardrum. I understand she had to do it, was just wondering.
won't that baby have some serious ear damage from a shotgun going off right next to its head without any ear protection. Shes holding two guns and a baby so i'm assuming she couldn't earmuff it.
Never fired a shotgun before so i'm not sure how loud they are but was wondering if this could have did some major damage to the baby's eardrum. I understand she had to do it, was just wondering.
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