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Mother (18) kills intruder breaking into her home while on phone with 911
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Nah it should be fine. I doubt it was right next to his head.
Jim E. Rossler
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That line of reasoning goes out the windows when someone's charging you with a knife. Sorry
In an area the size of a bathroom? The man with the knife.
We have pretty much. If you have a shotgun licence, you are free to shoot someone on your property if you fear for your life.
As long as you don't chase an intruder down the street and shoot them in the back you are all set.
Togglesworlh
Banned
This post is worse than all the people saying she should have wounded him because it's the nice thing to do.
Props, brudda.
If he literally burst in and it all happened in seconds, yes, but are you saying she had no chance to shout "get the fuck out, cos I have a 12 gauge" in this instance?
I wouldn't want to ever have to shoot someone. I'd rather they took the warning and fucked off, so I'd make sure they knew they risked getting shot, plus it makes it easier for me to live with having killed someone if that's what I ended up having to do.
Togglesworlh
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In the state of mind of an 18-year-old mother with an infant to protect... yes.
cr_blah_blah
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What if they also have a gun and now know exactly where you are and are prepared to open fire without returning the favor of a warning? Criminals breaking into your home aren't exactly known to be fair.
Jim E. Rossler
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No man, you should totally take that chance with your life and the life of your child!
Wouldn't you rather risk death than risk taking a life unnecessarily? I know I would
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staticneuron
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I don't see how people can be defending the criminals. They systematically tried all the doors. Armed with knives and spend over 20 minutes trying to forcefully enter a house.
Even if they didn't know it was occupied (I doubt they were unaware), they deserved it. We live in a society in which basically lost respect for each other. If it became more common, that people will lose their lives trying this stuff, then maybe the fear will keep the trash down. If not, one less criminal in our society is one less criminal in our society.
I also don't believe in our prison systems rehabilitation because I have seen people come out worse than when they went in.
Even if they didn't know it was occupied (I doubt they were unaware), they deserved it. We live in a society in which basically lost respect for each other. If it became more common, that people will lose their lives trying this stuff, then maybe the fear will keep the trash down. If not, one less criminal in our society is one less criminal in our society.
I also don't believe in our prison systems rehabilitation because I have seen people come out worse than when they went in.
Haha, people always post from the comfort of their home how rational someone should be in any pressure situation. They don't know shit. Reality is, she was pretty fuckin rational calling the police in the first place and asking if it's ok to shoot. Props to the 18 year old. Maybe fuckin at 16-17 does make you more mature!
Seriously. I am as liberal as they come but if someone broke into my house, especially with my wife and son there, I would do my best to kill the fucker.
Vincent Alexander
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Technically, she did wound him. Mortally. I guess that isn't a good compromise.
I think that allowing people to be judge, jury and executioner should come with some responsibility, that's all. I wouldn't want to shoot some 13 year old kid that broke into my house trying to steal my wallet. That's a whole different thing to a man breaking in with a gun looking to rape my wife. You can say "but you can't know who it is and what their intentions are" - and I agree - but you can give them one chance to leave before you execute them.
I already said that I'm on her side overall, but had it been me, I would have shouted a warning. Mind you, had it been me I wouldn't have appeared on the evening news posing for the cameras while looking down the barrel of a shotgun like Charles Bronson either.
Jim E. Rossler
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You might have just got yourself killed if 'a man's breaking in with a gun looking to rape my wife'
You lost your element of surprise, and announced to him you have a weapon. Why would he have a gun if he didn't expect resistance? Now he knows you have a gun and can change his plan accordingly. It doesn't take a gun to rape your wife, it takes a gun to kill YOU.
Wolves Evolve
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She should have shot the baby, then herself, then the burglar, then the baby again.
Togglesworlh
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At least then it would've been fair for the burglar.
cr_blah_blah
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You're obviously well intended, but there's just too many variables to worry about an intruders well-being, especially if you have a child. You don't know how many there really are, what they're carrying, their intentions or demeanor, and announcing your presence could just agitate or initiate an incident if they're an even worse kind of criminal. Not yelling out could even help avoid a confrontation on the chance they don't even check whatever room you're hidden in. There was a story about a month ago of a teenage girl hiding in the corner of her room and the intruder not even seeing her as she was on the phone with the police. I understand not wanting people to be harmed or killed but in this situation I don't see how she could have handled it any better.
As for the posing with a gun for the cameras, well, she's from Oklahoma.
The reason I don't own a gun is because I'm more likely to die by tripping over my own shoe laces than to be shot by an intruder armed with a gun. The situations are purely hypothetical for me, cos if I was that scared of something like that happening, I'd have applied for a gun license and got a gun. I'm not though.
If I did have a gun, I wouldn't want to shoot without warning for the reasons I've given.
I just find it to be in very poor taste. You break in, I shoot you, most agree that it was justified, case closed. But you were someone's son. You may have had a wife and kids. I wouldn't feel proud about what I'd done and I wouldn't want to be seen on TV waving a gun about.cr_blah_blah said:
The Faceless Master
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well, if some 13 year old kids have a large knife and spend 20 minutes breaking into the house with people in it, then break into the bedroom, maybe they should be shot?
i find terrorizing a freshly widowed woman and her newborn to be in very poor taste.
He had a knife.
I'm glad she and the kid are safe, I'm sorry he's dead, I don't think there's anything she should have done differently, anything else would have possibly left her open to danger.
He brought about his own death through his actions but people celebrating his death are being quite vulgar. It's not particularly effective to call the guy "a scumbag" or say that "he got what he deserved" what does that serve other than satisfy the commenters own vicarious bloodlust?
As an attitude it represents such a vast oversimplification of criminal behaviour and crime by typifing some sort of childishly naive good/evil line that it does serious harm to any ability to effectively deal with and PREVENT crime. The way it happened was better than how it could have and the mother did everything right but the fact that it happened at all, and continues to happen, suggests failure on a societal level.
He brought about his own death through his actions but people celebrating his death are being quite vulgar. It's not particularly effective to call the guy "a scumbag" or say that "he got what he deserved" what does that serve other than satisfy the commenters own vicarious bloodlust?
As an attitude it represents such a vast oversimplification of criminal behaviour and crime by typifing some sort of childishly naive good/evil line that it does serious harm to any ability to effectively deal with and PREVENT crime. The way it happened was better than how it could have and the mother did everything right but the fact that it happened at all, and continues to happen, suggests failure on a societal level.
These threads always leave me feeling conflicted. On one hand, those saying she should've acted differently are idiots. On the other hand, some of you seem to be drowning in the jizz of your righteous affirmations on gun control issues, while using the blood of the guy who was shot as lube for your masturbation session.
I have no sympathy for those who choose to live a life of crime, and are a danger to the greater community. Call it bloodlust, whatever you want...but I am glad he is dead, he deserved it.
That's missing the point of what I was saying. I said this: -
It's not about the guy with the knife. I'm not going to assume that his entire family were cunts as well.surly said:
Yeah, cos if I was in a house with my 12 gauge and handgun while a 13 year old kid with his big knife took 20 minutes to get in, the only choice I'd have is to wait until he comes into my room before I blow his head clean off. I can totally see where you're coming from with that. :|The Faceless Master said:
If I had a choice between an idealized notion of absolute free will and an actual understanding of causality and psychology and sociology well, I wouldn't really have a choice now would I?
Pureauthor
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She had already done everything in her power to protect herself and her child through non-violent means. She'd locked the front door, retreated to a back room, barricaded the room, and was on the phone with the police. The men took over twenty minutes trying to get to her directly.
Shouting a warning carried the very real risk of increasing the danger to her child. In this situation I don't see what else she could be expected to do.
Also, so many people here have apparently never learned anything about guns and handling. I don't even own a gun and I apparently know more than a lot of guys here.
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Who gives a fuck about the criminals' families? Are you fucking serious? Maybe they should have intervened at some point before their life became so shitty they had to resort to a life of crime. Do you think the woman in question is proud she killed a man?
If you said yes you are a fucking idiot. The only thing she is proud of is that she did her motherly duty in protecting her child. It's pretty obvious you have no one in your life that you are ever responsible for because any reasonable person who puts their family first will do what is necessary to protect them.
I guess in Candyland it's always raining gumdrops and licorice though, huh?
FreeMufasa
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I've seen a similar video to this posted on gaf, nearly word for word. Woman on her own with her baby and a dude trying to break in gets a shotgun to the chest.
^^ This is my reaction to the news that worthless fuck is dead.
This is why I always let these threads get to around 4 or 5 pages (100ppp of course) before I enter. The "shoot to wound/hurrr durrrr America" crowd never, ever fail to appear. How else would the rest of GAF know how enlightened and cool under pressure they are?
I especially love the posts whining about how it's so sad that a despicable piece of shit is dead. Yeah boo fucking hoo.
go ahead. Doesn't change the fact that prisons are a fucked up mess that literally breeds criminality, doesn't change the fact that tough on crime legislation is nothing more than an expensive vote-buy on the right. That reduced funding for social programs, ineffectual education, a lack of employment opportunities, all feed crime, everyone who ever committed a crime woke up one day and said WELP, TODAY I'VE DECIDED THAT I'M GOING TO BE A CRIMINAL FROM NOW ON AND ATTACK PEOPLE AND SHIT CUZ IT SOUNDS LIKE FUN. That's the reasonable and absolutely not in any way lulzworthy opinion to hold.
lol.
Look, I'm all for the understanding of the family as well and I'm not saying we should persecute them too. I am however saying that if one of my family members were to be attempting possible rape, robbery and murder; I certainly couldn't ever view them in the same light. That has a pretty strong ability to tarnish a lot of good feeling towards the person, regardless of affiliation.
Her aiming the gun is in poor taste, welcome to news. As for his family, well, it's kind of hard to consider offending when the story could've just as easily been worse. It's not like she shot an innocent man, it's not like she shot the man his family probably knew. So in that regard, I find it hard to sympathize with a familial complaint about being reminded of the issue.
These threads certainly bring out the proud lust for death.
Not that death doesn't have an application in the world, of course. It's just that...taking pleasure in it seems a little sick.
Criminals are assholes. Just about every criminal starts their life of crime outside of a prison. A violent criminal is an inexcusably selfish asshole and deserves to die as they chose to live...by the sword.
jfoul
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egoextrico
Banned
I bet surly wouldn't even need a gun to handle armed robbers, he sounds like batman. so cool under pressure.
Goddamn some people are trying way too hard in here.
I like to imagine he went out like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7QZPw04Ks
I like to imagine he went out like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7QZPw04Ks
You don't know me, so it's not wise to assume you know anything about me.
So all of the members of any criminal's family are in some way liable as they didn't intervene? Don't be silly. Her posing with the gun is pure sensationalism for the TV news. It's pretty disgusting and there's no need for it.Hero said:
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