I worry about the mental state of people not defending their homes and family!
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Mother (18) kills intruder breaking into her home while on phone with 911
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Again, what are you talking about? Show me once instance of me back-pedalling. Or is it that you really do think that I was accusing you of believing in an "evil criminal gene", cos if so, fucking LOL.Hahaha, backpedaling. Brilliant.
Togglesworlh
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Hush, now, child. It'll be okay.
Dreams-Visions
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Agreed. Even as a trained military man, he'd understand that not every scenario allows or calls for the divulging of such information. Depending on the intent of the invader, it could just mean, "retreat to the truck and retrieve the pistols and go in a different way."
IMO, informing home invaders of your position and armament gives away your own advantage at the risk of hoping someone turns tail and runs. These guys had bad intentions, and I'd rather it went down the way it did than taking a chance and hoping the *claim* of being armed behind a door is enough to repel an assault.
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Confidence Man
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Geez, she could've just shot the knife out of his hand. I mean maybe he was just desperately hungry and looking to break in so he could cut a piece of bread to eat.
Well the guy that got shot clearly wanted to use that knife for an offensive purpose. I don't think he intended to break into her room to cut up some chicken and eat it. So that knife could have been used for something productive, or something destructive like harming the lady and her baby.
I'm sure some people buy guns solely in case they have to shoot someone that breaks into their house (failing to see the harm in being prepared for that), but some like myself would have them for the former as well as for target practice at the range. It's fun to shoot a gun.
JoshDigi said:
Watch out, surly is going to castigate you in 5 seconds for not being shocked at a burglar with a deadly weapon being shot.
In the time it took you to write that post, hundreds of guns were sold to law abiding citizens. How does that make you feel?
Let the hate, flow.. young surly.
Dreams-Visions
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Interfectum
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Bit more info from the affidavit as told by the guy she didn't have a chance to shoot:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/content.newsok.com/documents/j5dlsaffidavit.pdf
http://s3.amazonaws.com/content.newsok.com/documents/j5dlsaffidavit.pdf
Count Dookkake
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Ah, yes, this tactic. It's very common on forums when people haven't got any comeback. "Evil criminal gene", LOL.
It doesn't bother me. I don't live in America and thankfully, most of you don't own passports so you won't come here and start annoying me.alphaNoid said:
You missed the point. I can use all kinds of heavy or sharp objects to kill people. I could kill you with my computer monitor if I hit you hard enough with it. It's about intended and primary purposes and whether there is an alternative. Most people don't buy knives with the intention that one day they will use them to harm another person.andycapps said:
You could get an air gun for shooting targets. It's safer as it's much harder to kill people with one.............ahhh, that's why you wouldn't buy one.andycapps said:
I've got a carving knife with a bigger blade than that. I don't see what your point is. It's amusing that the picture is from an American website called Wholesale Self Defence though.
"here honey let me cut up that steak for you."
Mammoth Jones
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Semantics.
Alcohol is a fucking POISON (bad). Primarily used getting intoxicated (good)
A car is a weapon at high speeds (bad). Primarily used as transportation (good)
A gun is a weapon that *can* be used to murder innocent people (bad!). Primarily used to protect good, innocent people from bad ones and kill delicious animals (good).
Dig?
Count Dookkake
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Don't forget shovels. You can use them to plant trees or bury corpses.
Yeah but then we get into the terribly murky realm of personal responsibility. Much easier on the ol' conscience to just blame the guns, y'see.
Togglesworlh
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Ah, yes, this tactic. It's very common on forums when people haven't got any comeback. "Evil criminal gene", LOL.
It doesn't bother me. I don't live in America and thankfully, most of you don't own passports so you won't come here and start annoying me.
You missed the point. I can use all kinds of heavy or sharp objects to kill people. I could kill you with my computer monitor if I hit you hard enough with it. It's about intended and primary purposes and whether there is an alternative. Most people don't buy knives with the intention that one day they will use them to harm another person.
You could get an air gun for shooting targets. It's safer as it's much harder to kill people with one.............ahhh, that's why you wouldn't buy one.
Why would I need a comeback? You keep diggin' yourself deeper and deeper, all on your own. Refer to the bolded part of your post for examples.
YES! I was right! SUCK IT EVERYONE WHO NEVER REALLY DISAGREED WITH THAT PREMISE!
There is more to the story and in fact a connection to the couple. BTW, I never thought she did anything wrong. She did the only logical thing, under the circumstances.
Interfectum
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Too much SWTOR?
Dahellisdat
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what a pair of fucking assholes
Mammoth Jones
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It doesn't bother me. I don't live in America and thankfully, most of you don't own passports so you won't come here and start annoying me.
C'mon man. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. I don't live in the UK, but you're not going to see me bashing them. The vast majority are good, decent, hardworking people. Stop with the nationalist bullshit and stick to the debate.
You're arguing with a brick wall. Some people are to attached to their ideology that they can't see out of it, and I'm guessing surly and the people who made excuses for these guys have that attitude towards guns.
First you try to discredit the story. (Well there must be more we don't know. Maybe they owed drug money?)
Then you blame the shooter(well why didn't she shoot the leg?)
Then you blame the culture(Well if Americans weren't so individualistic, liked the 2nd amendment, followed our policies, these guys wouldn't exist and this girl wouldn't be in trouble. We should be exactly like the UK)
and finally it turns into a "What good are guns?" and people deem them to only have one evil purpose.
Give it 2 more pages and it turns into a "Recommend me a gun to defend myself" thread.
First you try to discredit the story. (Well there must be more we don't know. Maybe they owed drug money?)
Then you blame the shooter(well why didn't she shoot the leg?)
Then you blame the culture(Well if Americans weren't so individualistic, liked the 2nd amendment, followed our policies, these guys wouldn't exist and this girl wouldn't be in trouble. We should be exactly like the UK)
and finally it turns into a "What good are guns?" and people deem them to only have one evil purpose.
Give it 2 more pages and it turns into a "Recommend me a gun to defend myself" thread.
Mammoth Jones
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Wait, what was the premise?
Some people in here would still celebrate that. It's a death after all.
It's not bullshit. Most Americans don't own passports, which Americans sometimes see as a bad thing, but the rest of the world sees as a good thing. (It's just a joke!)Mammoth Jones said:
ONE LAST TIME - I DID NOT MAKE EXCUSES FOR THESE GUYS. Read my posts you fucking mongs, lol. I said that I was on her side when it came to the shooting, but that she shouldn't have posed on TV looking down the barrel of a shotgun cos it was tasteless.remnant said:
That they went there for a separate criminal purpose and that there was a connection to the dead husband. So now I am right and glad that guy is dead. And the woman is still the hero. All the good people win.
Dreams-Visions
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I keep reading this sentence and failing to understand it. lol. Did anyone really disagree that there may be more to the story? But yes, emboldened to try to rob a dead drug dealer's stash is interesting and yes, she did what she had to do.
Script for Winter's Bone 2?
ThatCrazyGuy
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Upon reading this thread, I don't understand you people defending the criminals. You don't want to get shot, don't break into people's houses and obey the damn law. It's so simple.
Somebody breaks into my house while I am home, they are getting shot, stabbed, or beat with a baseball bat.
Moral of the story. Don't be a scumbag human being, and break into/onto other people's property (with weapons no less). Show some damn respect.
This guy got what he deserved.
Somebody breaks into my house while I am home, they are getting shot, stabbed, or beat with a baseball bat.
Moral of the story. Don't be a scumbag human being, and break into/onto other people's property (with weapons no less). Show some damn respect.
This guy got what he deserved.
Mammoth Jones
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It's disappointing. I wake up, I get dressed, I eat breakfast, I drive to the train station, I go to work, I come home, I eat dinner, I play games, I make love, I go to sleep.
Just because I'm a gun owner doesn't mean I'm some snarling neanderthal with drool dripping out of the side of my mouth with a hard-on for someone to cross me so I can blow their heads off in a fit of anger and get away with it due to a legal technicality of self defense.
I just want to keep some guns because I firmly believe that my defense and the defense of my family is my responsibility and I can't rely on the police to prevent my family or myself from coming to harm should the unthinkable occur so I should be prepared to do what I have to do. That's it.
"Everyone's crazy, no one should have a gun"
"Everyone's crazy, I need to have a gun"
Chose one. (and no, I don't really believe "everyone" is crazy, lol. Like I've said...the vast majority of people are decent)
Dreams-Visions
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Count Dookkake
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Not the connection that was specified as being due to illegal narcotics or some illegal debt owed to the villains. Not saying you said that, but others did.
And I am laughing at them.
egoextrico
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All of those laws -seatbelt are to protect the innocent from the reckless, not individuals from themselves. But it doesn't hurt.
UK has the highest amount of violent crime in Europe, 4x the amount of America, CCTV cameras on every street corner, but you don't have the same fear. So brave
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/fear-of-crime-makes-uk-most-watched-country-in-europe-561265.html
The Technomancer
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Please find me one post of anyone defending the criminal.
Narpas Sword0
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Her husband being a secret drug kingpin is definitely more likely than two stalkers with a knife, knowingly entering the home of the person they've been stalking, while they know her to be present, being murderers
People looking to loot a house stalk so they can COME BACK WHEN THE HOUSE IS EMPTY. Rapists and murderers intentionally wait for the person to be home, come in armed, and try to get into that one room they are in. As soon as she sees their face they have to kill her.mif she is locked in a room and they don't want to be violent, they can just grab the tv and car keys and leave with no one knowing who did it
I would love to see someone "shoot to wound" at that range with a shotgun. You're likely to take the whole limb off or at the very least sever a major artery.
Freaking called it on the first page...
I have a passport, and you don't have to worry about me coming to the UK. Wouldn't be caught dead there.
Re: your earlier comment about why I should just get an airsoft gun for target practices instead of a real gun, hahahahaha. That's a good one. I'm starting to like your sarcasm.
Yeah, all my instinct said was: There is a deeper connection between the people and there is a deliberate intent that has nothing to do with this woman, per se.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Why the fuck would anyone want an airsoft gun for target practice? LolI have a passport, and you don't have to worry about me coming to the UK. Wouldn't be caught dead there.
Re: your earlier comment about why I should just get an airsoft gun for target practices instead of a real gun, hahahahaha. That's a good one. I'm starting to like your sarcasm.
Panipal2009
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Ironically, gun control is far more motivated by fear than is gun ownership. After all, if you didn't FEAR what you imagine everyone might do if they had guns, you wouldn't support banning guns.
Your accusing everyone else of being filled with FEAR is nothing but a poor attempt to keep everyone from seeing that YOU'RE the fearful one.
He's probably never shot a gun, so he guessed that they're roughly the same experience. LOL.
Oh, come on. Situations like this , you have very little time to react. He had a HUNTING KNIFE and BROKE IN. No warning needed IMO.
Are you for real? Do you just live with your head up your ass? The UK is one of the worst places to live as far as violent crime goes. And most, if not all, of that has to do with the fact that the ordinary commoner can't acquire a gun to protect themselves.
Every time you post you make yourself look more idiotic. I doubt you've even ever held or fired a real gun once.
Togglesworlh
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So, what I get from OWV's update is that they knew the guy died of cancer and thought there might still be some of his painkillers (dont some cancer patients get morphine pills or such? I'm not sure) or other meds might still be there to steal. Then they got high off painkillers and tried to rob the place.
Yea, still no sympathy, since he tried to force his way into the barricaded bedroom and charge her with a knife.
also, ITT, surly trolls GAF
Yea, still no sympathy, since he tried to force his way into the barricaded bedroom and charge her with a knife.
also, ITT, surly trolls GAF
Some of those replicas are really, really good. They won't fire the same, obviously (pretty hard to simulate the kick of a bullet when firing a pellet) but outside of that they feel the same.
You do know that you can get a gun here right? I could be "popping caps in asses" just like you guys if I applied for a license.
We did ban some types of guns after the Dunblane school shooting in 1996. There hasn't been another one since, so maybe it worked.
She had plenty of time to issue a warning in this case. She heard them trying to get in, so she barricaded the front door. She then went and put a bottle in her baby's mouth, grabbed a shotgun and handgun and called the police. She was on the phone to the police for 21 minutes. When the first guy eventually broke the door down and got in, she shot him with the shotgun and killed him and the other guy ran away.racerx77 said:
But you can legally acquire a gun here.Hero said:
Statistically speaking, you're more likely to be injured/killed by your own gun or shot by a friend/relative using your own gun, than you are to be injured/killed by a violent intruder breaking into your home.
LOL! Yeah, cos that makes all the difference. I have fired a shotgun, so presumably that would count as a "real gun".Hero said:
VGChampion
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God, people act like she went picking a fight with these intruders. Some of your stances are almost as dumb as whoever told the girl to aim the shotgun at the cameraman for a shot.
Jim E. Rossler
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Based on what stats?
Statistically speaking, you're more likely to be killed in a car accident if you own a car.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
If someone I knew thought it would be funny to force their way into my house and lunge at me with a knife, I wouldn't feel too bad about mistakenly injuring them. It'd be at least as funny.
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