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[WordsintheWater]

Why would that be silly? Surely you'd want everyone to be honest, no? We already know MS shit the bed, we're in the thread for it. So are we just supposed to say it over and over or can conversation flow into other deceptive practices?

Of course I want everyone to be honest, but in all honesty the thread shouldn't even be this long. There's really no point in discussing other companies practices, they're all shitty, they all try to deceive, does it really need to be said? That's my point. Everyone does it, there's no point in acting like they don't and I don't see the need for Sony to be mentioned when it's something that's known. Maybe I'm just weird and find that this debate shouldn't really be happening because in the end, us consumers should all feel the same way about this type of stuff.

 

[Bgamer90]

Yeah its not really MS or Sonys fault here.

Blame CD project for being scumy with how they present their game to the console audience.

Direct hate their way

I agree with this. PS and Xbox channels simply uploaded what they are given (hence why the videos of multiplat games on both channels are usually exactly the same outside of logos). Them forcing companies to make footage that's true for a specific console would probably hurt relationships a bit (which is also pretty sad).

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

 

[Biker19]

What's with people defending Microsoft or saying it must be an accident? They do it all the time airing super sampled ads and screenshots for their very own exclusives always.

How about instead of letting them off the hook we acknowledge Microsoft does engage in this practice frequently, as do their peers. We should be asking for more disclaimers and apologies, not saying Microsoft must not have meant it this time, despite their history saying otherwise.

I agree. People need to start waking up.

 

[Surface of Me]

Been a while since Sony Too has appeared.

So what, you dont care when Sony shows PC footage of 3rd party games being strutted as PS4 footage? But do when MS does? Please explain. Other companies doing this is relevant to the topic since it's more about the practice of this type of marketing in the game industry rather than this specific instance of MS doing it.


It seems real strange that they'd release PC footage and hide it as X1 at this point in time, considering CDPR confirmed multiple times the demo on the MS stage at E3 last year was running on X1 hardware.

 

[Bgamer90]

"and may not be reflective of final Xbox One gameplay"

So they're still saying the 1080p/60FPS may in fact be Xbox One

If anything this is probably what CD Projekt told them to put down so it wouldn't negatively impact Xbox One game sales even more (since this situation more than likely has already).

 

[jaypah]

Of course I want everyone to be honest, but in all honesty the thread shouldn't even be this long. There's really no point in discussing other companies practices, they're all shitty, they all try to deceive, does it really need to be said? That's my point. Everyone does it, there's no point in acting like they don't and I don't see the need for Sony to be mentioned when it's something that's known. Maybe I'm just weird and find that this debate shouldn't really be happening because in the end, us consumers should all feel the same way about this type of stuff.

So the thread is pointless to you. Understandable, but you could just pass it up.

 

[LurkerPrime]

It's interesting how the conversation has shifted from "the platform holders are at fault" to "CD Projekt pressered the poor platform holders." I don't know that I agree.

There comes a point where it should be up to the people actually showing these trailers to ensure their accuracy.

 

[Vire]

If anything this is probably what CD Projekt told them to put down so it wouldn't negatively impact Xbox One game sales even more (since this situation more than likely has already).

So according to you, Xbox unknowingly uploaded a 60 fps version and then CD Projekt forced them to put that disclaimer?

Can I get some of that kool aid? It's getting old with the same old corporate apologists.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I don't see why MS had to apologize. Rocksteady showed PC footage with Batman Arkham Knight at the Sony press conference with PS4 button prompts. We only knew it was PC footage afterward cause someone asked them. It didn't cause a flurry then, so why now? Cause its MS?

I have no love for MS really, but it just seems wrong to make a fuss now of all times to the point where the publisher has to apologize.

 

[Shyakugaun]

So much Sony Too™ in this thread.

The topic is "MS apologizes", can we stick to that?

 

[VinFTW]

I don't see why MS had to apologize. Rocksteady showed PC footage with Batman Arkham Knight at the Sony press conference with PS4 button prompts. We only knew it was PC footage afterward cause someone asked them. It didn't cause a flurry then, so why now? Cause its MS?

I have no love for MS really, but it just seems wrong to make a fuss now of all times to the point where the publisher has to apologize.

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[WordsintheWater]

So the thread is pointless to you. Understandable, but you could just pass it up.

The thread isn't pointless to me, I am interested in the content, what's pointless to me is people debating on which company is worse, they're all pretty bad and our interests aren't the highest of their concerns. Instead of being united against shitty practices we sit here and debate which is worse, who also does it and stuff like that.

 

[Bgamer90]

It's interesting how the conversation has shifted from "the platform holders are at fault" to "CD Projekt pressered the poor platform holders." I don't know that I agree.

It's not about being "pressured" -- it's simply about uploading what companies give you for advertisements of their game; Hence the probable reason as to why various platform holders have been doing this for years on their YouTube channels.

 

[Omni]

I'm struggling to understand why people are rioting over this right now and not the million other times it has happened with so many other games and on different platforms.

 

[DOWN]

If anything this is probably what CD Projekt told them to put down so it wouldn't negatively impact Xbox One game sales even more (since this situation more than likely has already).

Incredible. They don't know what they upload and they are forced into wording press statements by devs.

It's not about being "pressured" -- it's simply about uploading what companies give you for advertisements of their game; Hence the probable reason as to why various platform holders have been doing this for years on their YouTube channels.

You are ignoring that the platform holders also produce games and do this same practice with their own titles.

 

[Shyakugaun]

I'm struggling to understand why people are rioting over this right now and not the million other times it has happened with so many other games and on different platforms.

exactly, its ridiculous, but according to some, its the 60fps part, that make it unacceptable lol

 

[Super Stardust]

Yeah its not really MS or Sonys fault here.

Blame CD project for being scumy with how they present their game to the console audience.

Direct hate their way

Why would people be hateful towards cdpr? They already said we will be getting console footage before release and the game just went gold.

 

[jaypah]

It's interesting how the conversation has shifted from "the platform holders are at fault" to "CD Projekt pressered the poor platform holders." I don't know that I agree.

There comes a point where it should be up to the people actually showing these trailers to ensure their accuracy.

I agree. I don't think for a second that they don't know what they're doing.

 

[Bgamer90]

So according to you, Xbox unknowingly uploaded a 60 fps version and then CD Projekt forced them to put that disclaimer?

I'm assuming that MS had to get in contact with CD Projekt after news about this blew up, yes.

Can I get some of that kool aid? It's getting old with the same old corporate apologists.

lol really? So me coming up understandable situations for how companies interact with each other for YouTube advertising of third party games is "drinking kool-aid" and/or being a corporate apologist?

Sorry for wanting to be realistic.

 

[Bgamer90]

Incredible. They don't know what they upload and they are forced into wording press statements by devs

You are ignoring that the platform holders also produce games and do this same practice with their own titles.

No, I'm not ignoring that at all. This situation isn't about a first party exclusive so therefore what I'm saying is that they more than likely had to contact them in this instance to come up with a more fitting description for their game that at the same time wouldn't negatively impact sales even further.

 

[Vire]

Incredible. They don't know what they upload and they are forced into wording press statements by devs.

Me after reading those posts:

I don't know if he is being purposefully naive or trolling us.

 

[Bgamer90]

Me after reading those posts:

I don't know if he is being purposefully naive or trolling us.

I'm not trolling at all. I'm simply coming up with (in my opinion, realistic) ways for how these platform companies interact with third party (multiplatform) game companies when it comes to advertising on YouTube considering that the footage that can be seen for many of these games on Playstation and Xbox YouTube channels are usually exactly the same (hence why they aren't accurate as there are usually differences between these two consoles).

I've frequently said that I hope this leads to a change in the footage that companies upload to YouTube -- especially as YouTube is getting more settings for video uploading (this situation wouldn't have blown up if YouTube still didn't support 60 FPS) so I don't understand why you guys are putting me in that category.

 

[Revolutionary]

I don't see why MS had to apologize. Rocksteady showed PC footage with Batman Arkham Knight at the Sony press conference with PS4 button prompts. We only knew it was PC footage afterward cause someone asked them. It didn't cause a flurry then, so why now? Cause its MS?

Did you watch the video? It's a full 1080/60fps, something the Xbone has no hope of achieving for this game.. which I must remind you, is one month from release.

The Arkham Knight footage was PC footage with decreased settings (30fps and aliasing was console-quality) of a game ~5 months from release at the time. If they were to release a 1080/60 trailer with perfect antialiasing on the PS channel a month before release, then it would be another story.

 

[LurkerPrime]

Is the next step being outraged at the devs/publishers because the trailers show camera angles not representative of gameplay?

In-engine/cinematic trailers are a blight on the industry and well deserving of any outrage they receive.

So, that step was reached long ago.

 

[Vire]

Is the next step being outraged at the devs/publishers because their trailers show camera angles not representative of gameplay?

Did you see the Battlefront thread?

 

[Surface of Me]

Me after reading those posts:

I don't know if he is being purposefully naive or trolling us.

Are you being purposefully naive? I'm not saying either or on the matter, but it isn't hard to believe whoever is in charge of uploading YouTube videos for MS may not know the in's and out's of everything, and be able to tell it wasn't X1 footage at a glance. They could very well be not even under the umbrella of the Xbox division. Many companies have people devoted purely to social marketing.

 

[viveks86]

exactly, its ridiculous, but according to some, its the 60fps part, that make it unacceptable lol

I'll tell u what my incentive is. I'm fucking sick of it. All of it. MS doing it. Sony doing it. Ubisoft doing it. EA doing it. This guy. That guy. I want it to stop. So my options are: Talk about it and hopefully be part of a much larger voice that shares the same opinion, or sit around and call it ridiculous because "everyone does it", or turn it into another pointless console war thread that goes nowhere. I choose option 1.

"Why now?" Why not now?

 

[LurkerPrime]

Are you being purposefully naive? I'm not saying either or on the matter, but it isn't hard to believe whoever is in charge of uploading YouTube videos for MS may not know the in's and out's of everything, and be able to tell it wasn't X1 footage at a glance. They could very well be not even under the umbrella of the Xbox division. Many companies have people devoted purely to social marketing.

It's almost like the current system of showing games pre-release is broken or something, isn't it?

I think it's time game marketing progressed to the same generation as the games they're marketing.

 

[Vire]

Are you being purposefully naive? I'm not saying either or on the matter, but it isn't hard to believe whoever is in charge of uploading YouTube videos for MS may not know the in's and out's of everything, and be able to tell it wasn't X1 footage at a glance. They could very well be not even under the umbrella of the Xbox division. Many companies have people devoted purely to social marketing.

You are telling me that the person responsible for the multimedia and video distribution of their platform has no idea what resolution and framerate are?

 

[viveks86]

I agree. I don't think for a second that they don't know what they're doing.

Yeah I agreed initially and then the conversation slowly took a life of its own. Staying the heck away from that narrative. Lol

 

[Surface of Me]

It's almost like the current system of showing games pre-release is broken or something, isn't it?

I think it's time game marketing progressed to the same generation as the games they're marketing.

Oh yes, I agree. It would be awesome if companies were more transparent, I was just pointing how it isn't too hard to imagine it could be a mistake and not some insidious plot. Vire acting like it wasn't even in the realm of possibility is really insulting to other posters.

You are telling me that the person responsible for the multimedia and video distribution for their platform has no idea what resolution and framerate are?

I'm saying they might not know what the resolution and framerate for every X1 game is.

 

[shandy706]

I don't consider this a big deal.

Doesn't bother me as long as it's not faked CGI listed as gameplay.

Shrug

 

[Warablo]

I'm struggling to understand why people are rioting over this right now and not the million other times it has happened with so many other games and on different platforms.

Because it's Microsoft.

 

[Vire]

Yes, I am absolutely saying that.

A person dealing with the uploading of videos absolutely should know about encoding, aspect ratios, resolution and framerate as it is an incredibly important part of their job description.

bgamer's post claimed that the 60 FPS function of YouTube was "new and confusing" to this particular employee, which I found laughable.

But whatever floats your boat, we are going to just have to agree to disagree.

 

[jaypah]

Yeah I agreed initially and then the conversation slowly took a life of its own. Staying the heck away from that narrative. Lol

Yeah. I don't own an Xbox One and I know that footage was impossible, so a person working for MS marketing should certainly know. I honestly just think that they don't care so long as the footage looks good.

 

[Surface of Me]

A person dealing with the uploading of videos absolutely should know about encoding, aspect ratios, resolution and framerate as it is an incredibly important part of their job description.

But whatever floats your boat, we are going to just have to agree to disagree.

Misread your post the first time, see my edit.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Why all the surprise? I mean, thats not only a common pratice but a very esabilished and accepted one. Battlefront just got announced with a PS4 trailer that I'm pretty sure its not its own footage (and maybe not even PC quality). They (Sony, EA and DICE) know this, and also know that many people believe that it represents the actual gameplay quality and no one said anything. And actually, I dont think it's necessary, giving how common it is to every publisher promote the game showing basically only its best version before release (usually PC).

As long as the trailer or its description doesnt mention it is PS4 or XB1 footage, knowing it is a multiplatform game is already expected theyre showing the PC version. Doesnt matter if theres a Xbox or PlayStation logo at the end of it.

Did MS, in their YT channel, said it was XB1 footage?

 

[Massa]

The game is going to look a lot better at 900p than a shitty compressed Youtube video anyway.

 

[Bgamer90]

You are telling me that the person responsible for the multimedia and video distribution of their platform has no idea what resolution and framerate are?

No. That's not what he or I have said at all.

What I have said though is that people who are in charge of these YouTube channels are more than likely used to uploading at "max".

YouTube started supporting 60 FPS in late 2014 so framerate in YouTube advertisements for video games never played a big role in the past -- everything was uploaded in 30 FPS as that was the only option available. This Witcher footage was 60 FPS and YouTube has an option for it now so I therefore wouldn't be surprised if the person in charge of the YouTube channel just (mistakenly) uploaded it that way.

 

[Noobcraft]

So the ideas here are:
1. Microsoft used PC footage of TW3 on the Xbox YouTube channel to deceive viewers into thinking the Xbox one runs it at 1080p 60fps or;
2. Microsoft only has PC footage of TW3 (like Sony) so there really isn't an issue here if they don't have proper footage to share.

Why is this so upsetting to people?

 

[Bgamer90]

A person dealing with the uploading of videos absolutely should know about encoding, aspect ratios, resolution and framerate as it is an incredibly important part of their job description.

I agree with this. Never said otherwise.

bgamer's post claimed that the 60 FPS function of YouTube was "new and confusing" to this particular employee, which I found laughable.

I simply said it was new. Not "confusing". As I said in my previous post, people in charge of these YouTube channels are probably used to uploading at max (which in the past was 1080p at 30 FPS) so I could see that being the case here with the Witcher footage being 60 FPS and YouTube now having the option for that framerate.

 

[Jawbreaker]

So the ideas here are:
1. Microsoft used PC footage of TW3 on the Xbox YouTube channel to deceive viewers into thinking the Xbox one runs it at 1080p 60fps or;
2. Microsoft only has PC footage of TW3 (like Sony) so there really isn't an issue here if they don't have proper footage to share.

Why is this so upsetting to people?

People don't like being blatantly bullshitted. In this case, the 60 fps option on YouTube made it readily apparent. If not for the 60 fps option, it wouldn't have been as obvious since we don't have the game on PC and XBO in hand to directly compare graphics. What we do know however, is that the game is going to run at 30 fps on the XBO and PS4.

 

[Noobcraft]

People don't like being blatantly bullshitted. In this case, the 60 fps option on YouTube made it readily apparent. If not for the 60 fps option, it wouldn't have been as obvious since we don't have the game on PC and 360 in hand to directly compare graphics. What we do know however, is that the game is going to run at 30 fps on the XBO and PS4.

Honestly though there are way more important things to be considered in the actual console releases like foliage density, draw distance, LOD levels, shadows, etc which may not be properly represented in either the xbox or playstation trailer. Resolution and framerate are only part of the story.

 

[DarthWalden]

I'm laughing at everyone making a deal of this... I watched the video today and I have the game pre-ordered on xb1... I can say with most certainity that when the game is released I'm not going to think "man, this game looks like crap compared to the video posted on Xbox I watched a few weeks back"


Besides I'm well aware this game is 900p/30fps and it has been well known for a while.

 

[ironcreed]

Been a while since Sony Too has appeared.

The good old get out of jail free card.

Ugh, too much drama over something that is nothing new with either Microsoft or Sony. Time to go to bed.

 

[Vire]

I'm laughing at everyone making a deal of this... I watched the video today and I have the game pre-ordered on xb1... I can say with most certainity that when the game is released I'm not going to think "man, this game looks like crap compared to the video posted on Xbox I watched a few weeks back"


Besides I'm well aware this game is 900p/30fps and it has been well known for a while.

How do you know though? What if it does look like crap and runs at sub 30 framerate at all times? We don't know considering they haven't once showed us what the Xbox One or PS4 version looks like.

I'm excited for the Witcher 3, but I'd be lying if I wasn't at least a little concerned that they have yet to show any console footage, especially one month out and still nothing. Guess I gotta suck it up and buy a new rig one of these days.

 

[ShogunX]

That's like a full-on trailer, possibly has edits taken from a range of versions of the game. In context it's very different from uploading a 1080/60fps gameplay segment for a console which does neither.

Except that it falls under the exact same umbrella that the footage in question does and that's false advertising. Quite simply the footage showing DS4 prompts (it's not just the inventory screen) is not from the PS4 therefore in context it's the exact fucking same thing. In the context of either video the customers are being deceived.

Basically two competing companies have uploaded footage for the same game to their official youtube channels that doesn't represent the final game on their system. One has been called out on it and has apologised.

If journalists give enough of a shit about this and feel the need for change then make a proper article showing multiple examples from both companies because we all know it's not hard to find.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

But how is that blatant bullshitting when they never passed the trailer as Xbox One captured-footage? Didn't they simply showcase a trailer of a game coming to their platform, along with others, sent by the developer? I personally don't see anything deceiving in that.

Honestly, nowadays thats just so common that I dont believe theres something deceiving about it. MS is just being overly criticised already, for whatever reason people want to give.

That's a silly criticism.

I would like to every publisher release separate gameplay footage of all platforms being released, but thats something that doesnt happen by a long time now, and everyone know it. News at 11.

 

[10k]

I want three minutes of Xbox Live free for this outrage.