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MS apologizes for confusion over Witcher 3 gameplay footage

Revolutionary said:
Did you watch the video? It's a full 1080/60fps, something the Xbone has no hope of achieving for this game.. which I must remind you, is one month from release.

The Arkham Knight footage was PC footage with decreased settings (30fps and aliasing was console-quality) of a game ~5 months from release at the time. If they were to release a 1080/60 trailer with perfect antialiasing on the PS channel a month before release, then it would be another story.
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What are you even talking about? This is what i said

Inuhanyou said:
Rocksteady showed PC footage with Batman Arkham Knight at the Sony press conference with PS4 button prompts. We only knew it was PC footage afterward cause someone asked them. .
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For Batman, i'm not talking about the "Officer down" gameplay that came recently, that was running on a PS4 according to the trailer. I'm talking about the first gameplay they showed of the game at the Sony conference last year with PS4 button prompts. That was PC and never advertised as console footage, never actually made clear until days after the conference.

Content is content, MS is going to use whatever CDPR gives them. Its not a big deal.
 
I'm supposed to believe they had no idea that people would think that was Xbox One footage with all of the Xbox One branding in the video?
 
LegendofDragoonLives said:
If MS appologized, why is this video still up and not replaced by the X1 version.. that isn't 60fps?
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Why would you want to watch a worse video?

Metalingus5150 said:
Been a while since Sony Too has appeared.
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I agree in most cases it's a bit silly (The DRM fiasco) but in this case, and others (charging people to use their internet connection) it's simply true. Sony attempts to pass off PC footage as PS4 footage as well. That is a proven fact.
 
Kssio_Aug said:
Honestly, nowadays thats just so common that I dont believe theres something deceiving about it. MS is just being overly criticised already, for whatever reason people want to give.

That's a silly criticism.

I would like to every publisher release separate gameplay footage of all platforms being released, but thats something that doesnt happen by a long time now, and everyone know it. News at 11.
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I don't think it's silly criticism. Well, I think it's unfair to solely pile on Microsoft for this specific instance. But the practice of passing off PC footage as console footage should be criticized. It is without a doubt misleading.

Maybe it's unreasonable for companies to release footage for each platform separately, but at the very least, companies should make it clear what we are seeing. Is it target footage? Is it being rendered real-time on a dev kit? On retail hardware? On a high end PC? They should be transparent about what they are releasing.

I for one, am sick of the high resolution bullshots. I'm sick of "early" footage that looks way better than what they could possibly hope to release (Watchdogs, I'm looking at you). I just want an unfiltered look at what I'm going to be playing when I finally get my hands on a game.
 
Inuhanyou said:
I don't see why MS had to apologize. Rocksteady showed PC footage with Batman Arkham Knight at the Sony press conference with PS4 button prompts. We only knew it was PC footage afterward cause someone asked them. It didn't cause a flurry then, so why now? Cause its MS?

I have no love for MS really, but it just seems wrong to make a fuss now of all times to the point where the publisher has to apologize.
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batman on e3 was a year out before release, and rocksteady said it was with ps4 settings or their ps4 target render.

looking at recent ps4 footage of the game, it looks very similar to what they have showed on last year's e3. which means that even though they used pc to show the game, that build was going to be the ps4 render when the game comes out and for sure it does.

now, witcher 3 used here was clearly not on xbone, and worse it is above what is currently known to be the xbone version. also, the game has already gone gold so footage should be readily available.

you are comparing two different scenarios. one, while admittedly was on pc, was a year out from release, was also true to their target render, and was made to look like a ps4 build on ps4 settings. the other is just straight from pc, after the game has gone gold.
 
BleedOrange said:
Why would you want to watch a worse video?



I agree in most cases it's a bit silly (The DRM fiasco) but in this case, and others (charging people to use their internet connection) it's simply true. Sony attempts to pass off PC footage as PS4 footage as well. That is a proven fact.
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No, I'd like to watch a video that represents the right amount of fps for the console. It's bullshit advertising.
 
EmptySpace said:
batman on e3 was a year out before release, and rocksteady said it was with ps4 settings or their ps4 target render.

looking at recent ps4 footage of the game, it looks very similar to what they have showed on last year's e3. which means that even though they used pc to show the game, that build was going to be the ps4 render when the game comes out and for sure it does.

now, witcher 3 used here was clearly not on xbone, and worse it is above what is currently known to be the xbone version. also, the game has already gone gold so footage should be readily available.

you are comparing two different scenarios. one, while admittedly was on pc, was a year out from release, was also true to their target render, and was made to look like a ps4 build on ps4 settings. the other is just straight from pc, after the game has gone gold.
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What exactly is the difference? They are both on different hardware than the publisher's console, being shown in different conditions. I'm sure there are plenty of games on both Sony and MS's channels that have PC footage as console footage isn't available. Ubisoft did the exact same thing with Watch Dogs, and Assasin's Creed Unity.

I'm not saying "Sony too", its saying, it should not be an issue. Its just what happens.

What settings they are running at should not make a difference really, as long as the PR is not claiming the video is representative of XB1 or PS4 respectively, because THAT would be false advertising. Here, they are not claiming its running on the HW at all.
 
Inuhanyou said:
I'm not saying "Sony too", its saying, it should not be an issue. Its just what happens.

What settings they are running at should not make a difference really, as long as the PR is not claiming the video is representative of XB1 or PS4 respectively, because THAT would be false advertising. Here, they are not claiming its running on the HW at all.
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I'd prefer a "Sony Too" argument any day of the week over this. You are suggesting it's ok to be vague and misleading as long as you aren't explicitly lying, because "it's just what happens". No wonder marketing departments don't care. Their customers aren't even expecting minimum standards.
 
Vire said:
How do you know though? What if it does look like crap and runs at sub 30 framerate at all times? We don't know considering they haven't once showed us what the Xbox One or PS4 version looks like.
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E3 Stage demo last year was X1.
 
It's good they corrected themselves, but I would say an average customer doesn't care. And I don't think there should be any concerns about Xbox One version quality.
 
statham said:
Please point me to PS4 footage.
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why ask me? ask cdpr or xbox why they haven't shown a single ps4 footage. point being, the game has gone gold so obviously the game is already finished and they can take whatever footage on whichever system however they want.

Inuhanyou said:
What exactly is the difference? They are both on different hardware than the publisher's console, being shown in different conditions. I'm sure there are plenty of games on both Sony and MS's channels that have PC footage as console footage isn't available. I'm not saying "Sony too", its saying, it should not be an issue. Its just what happens.

What settings they are running at should not make a difference really, as long as the PR is not claiming the video is representative of XB1 or PS4 respectively, because THAT would be false advertising. Here, they are not claiming its running on the HW at all.
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i just pointed the differences between the two. do you want me to repeat what i just said? one is understandable because it's a year out. a game isn't finalized until couple of months before gold master. obviously, the batman e3 footage was brute-forced, because rocksteady wouldn't have made an optimized pc version a year before release either. this thread has morphed into batman sony for some reason and apparently those two scenarios are not different at all even if obviously they are under different circumstances.

we are talking about a game that already has passed gold master status. do you even understand what that means? it means anyone can record a part of the game running on xbone anytime. you are lumping apples and oranges. not to mention the fact that in the end, batman on ps4 is looking pretty similar to what was shown on e3 last year beeeecause that has been what rocksteady was targeting all along. they made good on their promise so it's not even in the realm of false advertising to me. it was going to be a year before release and we would've seen more anyway (and we did). again, totally different scenarios that people keep lumping together. you can argue that "oh well they're basically the same" but there are more differences between the two than there are similarities.
 
EmptySpace said:
why ask me? ask cdpr or xbox why they haven't shown a single ps4 footage. point being, the game has gone gold so obviously the game is already finished and they can take whatever footage on whichever system however they want.
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roofles, you arenot making any sense at all, like I can't follow your logic at all, I have no response, I'm just wut?
 
BleedOrange said:
Why would you want to watch a worse video?



I agree in most cases it's a bit silly (The DRM fiasco) but in this case, and others (charging people to use their internet connection) it's simply true. Sony attempts to pass off PC footage as PS4 footage as well. That is a proven fact.
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or using shots of Forza 5 in their advertisements! Anyone remember that one??
 
statham said:
roofles, you arenot making any sense at all, like I can't follow your logic at all, I have no response, I'm just wut?
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maybe you didn't read my post right. my point was, footage should be readily available so why not use it? did i say there's ps4 footage in the wild? no. i said, footage of the game, on whichever system, should be readily available to the devs, to their marketing team, to their sales team, to their production team, to anyone who's involved in getting the game out there, that they can use that to send it to the press or xbox/playstation. not readily available to you or me. readily available to those who are responsible for showing the game.

my point was very simple to follow if you read the original post that i made.
 
I love how everyone is acting like Sony never uses PC footage, this is a common thing. At least Microsoft acknowledged and apologized for it. The pure hatred for Microsoft on this site is really starting to get old. No one company is evil we need them both just be grateful when they make mistakes the company apologizes.
 
This is the equivalent of getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar and then saying "I wasn't going to eat it guys!"

BleedOrange said:
Why would you want to watch a worse video?
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Huh? Why would you want to watch something that is not reflecting the product you are getting? It's like watching footage of a real Ferrari then buying a Ferrari Kit Car. No way is that kit car going look, perform or sound anything like the real thing.
 
EmptySpace said:
maybe you didn't read my post right. my point was, footage should be readily available so why not use it? did i say there's ps4 footage in the wild? no. i said, footage of the game, on whichever system, should be readily available to the devs, to their marketing team, to their sales team, to their production team, to anyone who's involved in getting the game out there, that they can use that to send it to the press or xbox/playstation. not readily available to you or me. readily available to those who are responsible for showing the game.

my point was very simple to follow if you read the original post that i made.
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smh....
 
viveks86 said:
I'd prefer a "Sony Too" argument any day of the week over this. You are suggesting it's ok to be vague and misleading as long as you aren't explicitly lying, because "it's just what happens". No wonder marketing departments don't care. Their customers aren't even expecting minimum standards.
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Er vague and misleading? They use footage of the game to promote the game that's coming to their console. Whether or not they get footage from their own HW comes down to the developer to give that.

I'm saying putting PC footage of a game that they are promoting on their channel isn't a big deal as long as they give clarification it may not represent the end result on XB1/PS4.

There should be no difference between whether a game is a year out of a month out, footage is footage IMO.
 
ugh_the_boot said:
This is the equivalent of getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar and then saying "I wasn't going to eat it guys!"
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You're right. It's pretty likely that MS was trying to trick everyone into thinking the Xbox One version was 1080p60fps, after CDPR already came out and said that the game is 900p/30fps. They probably thought that nobody was paying attention to resolution/framerate in the past two years, so why not go for it.
 
Maybe I'm in the minority here but this seems like a case of making mountains out of molehills.

At this point, isn't the vast majority of pre-release footage we see for most games from a high end PC? I mean, this doesn't exactly feel like an isolated incident to me. Or are people only upset about it because it was posted to the Xbox Youtube channel and not on, say, the Witcher channel?
 
BananasWithGuns said:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but this seems like a case of making mountains out of molehills.

At this point, isn't the vast majority of pre-release footage we see for most games from a high end PC? I mean, this doesn't exactly feel like an isolated incident to me. Or are people only upset about it because it was posted to the Xbox Youtube channel and not on, say, the Witcher channel?
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That's kind of what i'm saying. In the age where basically everything pre release is usually PC unless stated otherwise, it seems like MS having to apologize for this one instance seems a bit unfairly pinpointed.

If they are apologizing, i'm guessing they were called out on it by someone.
 
BananasWithGuns said:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but this seems like a case of making mountains out of molehills.

At this point, isn't the vast majority of pre-release footage we see for most games from a high end PC? I mean, this doesn't exactly feel like an isolated incident to me. Or are people only upset about it because it was posted to the Xbox Youtube channel and not on, say, the Witcher channel?
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your argument is with microsoft. they are the ones who are apologizing. if you don't think microsoft should apologize, then bring it up with microsoft.
 
Seriosuly how fucking hard is it to get some footage of a game running on a fucking console?! Jeez! This was clearly done to deceive customers and infact it's still deceiving customers because not everyone will look at the video description, especially if they have to click the video description to expand the information.

Imagine back in the day if Master System games advertised footage of the Megadrive version? Fuck that! Just show the damn game running on your own damn platform. SIMPLE! Sure this isn't a big deal but neither is getting footage of the game running on the hardware in question. Customers do it all the time for free (youtube etc), as if some marketing shill can't do it especially seeing as they get paid to.

Also to the people saying "Yea but it happens all the time we should just learn to accept lies". I got one word for you....baaaaaa!
 
Inuhanyou said:
There should be no difference between whether a game is a year out of a month out, footage is footage IMO.
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oversimplification.

one is gold status. info is known that the system isn't running witcher either 1080p or 60 fps. it is also known that the game is coming out within a few weeks, and the company has exclusive rights to marketing.

one was a year out, did not show footage that was clearly unattainable, met render target a year after, had plenty of footage from ps4 between the initial showing and today, and it was explicitly stated by the devs themselves that they were showing off what would be the approximate ps4 build.


the one with the unfinished build is representative of the final product, the one with gold master is not. that's the brakes.
 
Inuhanyou said:
I'm saying putting PC footage of a game that they are promoting on their channel isn't a big deal as long as they give clarification it may not represent the end result on XB1/PS4.
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The bolded is all I want to hear. Your previous comment did not suggest that so I was tempted to call it out. As long as we agree that complaints are warranted when such clarification is not done, I have no further comments.

There should be no difference between whether a game is a year out of a month out, footage is footage IMO.
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It's not simple as that, but I agree with the crux of your argument that clarification needs to be provided upfront regardless of stage of development. The fact that they took days to clarify Arkham footage is not acceptable. This stuff needs to become a standard at all stages of advertising. It's in no one's best interest to make the consumer skeptical.
 
False advertisement is never a good thing, glad they got caught and at least apologized. Good on them for changing the trailer.....
 
CadetMahoney said:
MS quick to apologise here is something most ppl didn't expect, even if it was damage control.
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they probably didn't care enough to notice. i mean, just because you work in the online media marketing arm of a company doesn't mean you should be aware that the footage that has button prompts of your company on it would necessitate further validation. maybe they didn't give a shit. it can happen. there are people who work for companies that don't give a shit about some specific policy, some regulatory rule that isn't harming anyone, etc. that's probably what happened here. people weren't aware or didn't care enough of the fact that xbone is running at 1600x900 at 30 fps. and i'm not one of those who go, "well they should know!" because really, just because you work at xbox doesn't mean you live and breathe video games.
 
Thyralax said:
I love how everyone is acting like Sony never uses PC footage, this is a common thing. At least Microsoft acknowledged and apologized for it. The pure hatred for Microsoft on this site is really starting to get old. No one company is evil we need them both just be grateful when they make mistakes the company apologizes.
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Nobody cared at all about the little StarWars CGI movie that was "representative of PS4" but this is the biggest scandal ever?
 
"Dear gamers, We apologize for the mix up. We realize it's deceptive to misrepresent the game's quality by using pc footage but we were truly hoping you wouldn't notice. Now that you have caught us we'd like to keep doing what we were doing before but we have corrected the 'mistake' on a semantic level. Now piss off"

lol, what a bunch of crap!
 
So Microsoft, Sony and CDPR are all misleading customers regarding the W3? The last one is kind of a shame given how much CDPR try to be a little more pro-consumer, but there are copies of W3 to be sold.
 
Hans.Gruber said:
Nobody cared at all about the little StarWars CGI movie that was "representative of PS4" but this is the biggest scandal ever?
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What are you on about? it was clearly stated as "in-engine" footage at the end of the video.

OT - Good on them but releasing the trailer in 60fps was really bad form.
 
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