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[saichi]

hats off to MS. They made brilliant decision with Kinect and made 360 into a bigger success. All that marketing dollars are worth it!

 

[seady]

Shovelware sells hardware.

Fact of our industry.

 

[Sapphire Dreams]

I think we need a itprintsmoney.gif Kinect version.

 

[goldenpp72]

Shovelware sells hardware.

Fact of our industry.

Cept almost none of the software is selling.

 

[duk]

They aren't going to sell another 19 million units this year.

720 isn't coming out end of this year

 

[okenny]

Excuse me? I think you quoted the wrong post. I said elaborate on the sigh not congrats.

My bad... pardon me.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

My bad... pardon me.

It´s all good

 

[pramath]

Those are really impressive numbers. I applaud Microsoft, they have done what no one thought was possible, they have toppled the Empire of the Playstation.

There is no way the Playstation will be catching up anytime now. This generation belongs to Microsoft.

 

[Takuya]

Kinect number isn't surprising since most new XBOX 360s sold came with it. Not like it sold itself.

 

[Megadragon15]

"But does it have Uncharted?"

I can name 2 consoles and 1 handheld, this generation, that sold better than the console that had the Uncharted series.

This generation belongs to Nintendo.

Fixed.

 

[AlphaTwo00]

Wow. Just so many people trolling here.

Games sell hardware. People want Dance Central 1/2, and now, Just Dance 3. This is not hard to see why it's selling.

 

[okenny]

Cept almost none of the software is selling.

Proportionally speaking with respect to the rest of the Kinect library, few games turn a profit in the game industry for as many games as are released yearly.

I still think that the true potential with the idea of Kinect is one that will be realized in the second generation of its hardware and the broadening of it's strategy. When the device sees a refinement in its functionality and achieves ubiquity with it's interactive language then the sky's the limit for sales.

 

[Karma]

You think they sold more in the first half of the quarter than the second half? It's not possible.

Good point. Crazy if the 360 sold more than the PS3 worldwide for 2011. SonyGAF had me convinced that was not possible.

 

[weeskwee]

funny kinect sold so well since it's so freaking lame. that's a lot of people upset they wasted so much money for a gimmicky thing like that. endless dancing games means at least girls and glee boys are happy.

 

[mujun]

Kinect number isn't surprising since most new XBOX 360s sold came with it. Not like it sold itself.

So you can't buy the machine by itself anymore? I thought there were 4 SKUs.

funny kinect sold so well since it's so freaking lame. that's a lot of people upset they wasted so much money for a gimmicky thing like that. endless dancing games means at least girls and glee boys are happy.

I don't see how it's lame. Sure, if resources get diverted from core games too much and the 360 turns into a casual Kinect machine, that would be lame.

 

[Frankfurt]

You can.

Wow. Just so many people trolling here.

Games sell hardware. People want Dance Central 1/2, and now, Just Dance 3. This is not hard to see why it's selling.

Yep.

Shit dude, I think you've really nailed it. All those other companies who advertise their products as "not so hot" and "not cool to own" have really been going about things the wrong way. No wonder so many products fail.

I laughed out loud at this.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Kinect number isn't surprising since most new XBOX 360s sold came with it. Not like it sold itself.

Can't you buy 360s standalone and in bundles without Kinect? Why would so many people buy Kinect bundles if they don't want Kinect?

 

[a Master Ninja]

Kinect number isn't surprising since most new XBOX 360s sold came with it. Not like it sold itself.

You still have to intentionally buy it. It's not like the Kinect-less Xbox 360s aren't right next to it on the shelf and $100 cheaper.

 

[Takuya]

Can't you buy 360s standalone and in bundles without Kinect? Why would so many people buy Kinect bundles if they don't want Kinect?

The price difference is minimal considering the 4GB is gimped with such low storage space. A good example would be here in Canada, where on Boxing week, the Kinect bundle sold quick while the 4GB piles were left practically untouched.

You still have to intentionally buy it. It's not like the Kinect-less Xbox 360s aren't right next to it on the shelf and $100 cheaper.

And practically storage-less. The fact that Kinect is bundled with a new machine for practically nothing (and a larger hard drive) adds more value to that item than saving $100 on the gimped version. And yes, the Kienct marketing helps push those units as well, but it's the bundle selling, not Kinect itself.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

The price difference is minimal considering the 4GB is gimped with such low storage space. A good example would be here in Canada, where on Boxing week, the Kinect bundle sold quick while the 4GB piles were left practically untouched.

In the UK they still sell the 250 GB standalone and in non-Kinect bundles:
http://www.game.co.uk/en/xbox-360-250gb-matt-black-147765?pageSize=20&categoryIdentifier=10471
http://www.gamestation.co.uk/gs/hardware/xbox-360/
http://www.play.com/Search.html?searchstring=&searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=2&searchfilters=ae212{643897}%2bc{362}%2bc{10049}%2bc{4656}%2b

 

[goldenpp72]

The price difference is minimal considering the 4GB is gimped with such low storage space. A good example would be here in Canada, where on Boxing week, the Kinect bundle sold quick while the 4GB piles were left practically untouched.

It's not minimal, it's a 100 dollar difference, you want a 4gb or 250 gig hdd 360 without kinect, it's 200/300, want it with, it's 300/400.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

720 isn't coming out end of this year

Better chance of it coming out this year than next.

I am a firm believer that all three next gen consoles will be on store shelves by the end of 2013. Two on shelves by the end of this year. Nintendo and MS sitting under a 2012 christmas tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

 

[Threi]

every kinect sold is like a rusty knife slowly descending into my arm, infecting me with the casual virus i hate so much and wish would die...































nah im playing, being indifferent is a great thing. try it sometime gaf.

 

[AlphaTwo00]

The price difference is minimal considering the 4GB is gimped with such low storage space. A good example would be here in Canada, where on Boxing week, the Kinect bundle sold quick while the 4GB piles were left practically untouched.

Was still a $70 difference. If people were hellbent on not getting the Kinect experience, they would have, and that could have gotten them another game for the same cost.

4GB - $129
4GB Kinect - $199 (source from NoStyle's GameDealsCanada twitter)

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Good point. Crazy if the 360 sold more than the PS3 worldwide for 2011. SonyGAF had me convinced that was not possible.

It certainly is possible, the sales gap may be widening again.

 

[pramath]

Fixed.

I believe you.

 

[bigtroyjon]

The price difference is minimal considering the 4GB is gimped with such low storage space. A good example would be here in Canada, where on Boxing week, the Kinect bundle sold quick while the 4GB piles were left practically untouched.


And practically storage-less. The fact that Kinect is bundled with a new machine for practically nothing (and a larger hard drive) adds more value to that item than saving $100 on the gimped version. And yes, the Kienct marketing helps push those units as well, but it's the bundle selling, not Kinect itself.

The Kinect is bundled with the exact same 4GB hard drive for $100 more. You aren't too good at this.

 

[Takuya]

The Kinect is bundled with the exact same 4GB hard drive for $100 more. You aren't too good at this.

I don't care if it does bad or if it does good. If I would have picked up another XBOX360 console this Christmas, it would've been the Kinect bundle. Not because it has Kinect, but the possibility of being able to use it and its functionality in the future with software and whatever comes in the later dashboard revisions (and PC). There's so much more value in that bundle for an additional (and minimal) amount.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Better chance of it coming out this year than next.

I am a firm believer that all three next gen consoles will be on store shelves by the end of 2013. Two on shelves by the end of this year. Nintendo and MS sitting under a 2012 christmas tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

Should we put you on suicide watch? Just don't be too disappointed when that doesn't happen. People expecting Microsoft to focus on the next Xbox at E3 are in for a surprise as well.

 

[doicare]

They said the same thing last year after Q3 which meant they expected 2.8 in Q4. They missed it by .7 million. I even remember people trying use that statement as proof of their sales.

Except the difference this year is that all the actual sales numbers we get for NPD & Media Create for oct-dec show the ps3 up year on year & we already know that for the last 5 weeks of the year worldwide the ps3 has sold 3.9 million so unless European sales numbers for the ps3 in oct-nov were terrible the ps3 will be up by a fair bit this quarter compared to last year.

 

[bigtroyjon]

I don't care if it does bad or if it does good. If I would have picked up another XBOX360 console this Christmas, it would've been the Kinect bundle. Not because it has Kinect, but the possibility of being able to use it and its functionality in the future with software and whatever comes in the later dashboard revisions (and PC). There's so much more value in that bundle for an additional (and minimal) amount.

Where I come from a 50% price increase isn't a minimal amount but to each his own.

 

[Karma]

Except the difference this year is that all the actual sales numbers we get for NPD & Media Create for oct-dec show the ps3 up year on year & we already know that for the last 5 weeks of the year worldwide the ps3 has sold 3.9 million so unless European sales numbers for the ps3 in oct-nov were terrible the ps3 will be up by a fair bit this quarter compared to last year.

PS3 sold 3.8 Million worldwide for the same time frame Holiday 2009. It shipped 6.5 Million that quarter of 2009. Shipments should be around the same this time. 6.5 to 7.0 Million for the quarter.

 

[xbhaskarx]

Because MS told casuals it was cool. They're fickle and buy every "hot" new item that some company markets as the cool thing to have.

Shit dude, I think you've really nailed it. All those other companies who advertise their products as "not so hot" and "not cool to own" have really been going about things the wrong way. No wonder so many products fail.

lol

 

[LightofRohan]

Should we put you on suicide watch? Just don't be too disappointed when that doesn't happen. People expecting Microsoft to focus on the next Xbox at E3 are in for a surprise as well.

Yea, put me on that watch also. If they don't announce the new consoles at E3, I'm going to be very disappointed. I can't wait much longer!

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Except the difference this year is that all the actual sales numbers we get for NPD & Media Create for oct-dec show the ps3 up year on year & we already know that for the last 5 weeks of the year worldwide the ps3 has sold 3.9 million so unless European sales numbers for the ps3 in oct-nov were terrible the ps3 will be up by a fair bit this quarter compared to last year.

That's not how the relationship between sales and shipments necessarily works, but they should be around 7 million either way, give of take half a million. Compared to 2009, Oct-Nov NPD numbers are slightly higher (1030k in 2009, 1151k this year) and they managed to ship 6.5 million back then.

EDIT: Beaten.

Yea, put me on that watch also. If they don't announce the new consoles at E3, I'm going to be very disappointed. I can't wait much longer!

You definitely won't get a full-blown reveal, but there might be something in the form of teases and tech demos. Watch Microsoft's E3 2004 conference for a good idea of what to expect, add a bit more because of Wii U launching this year.

 

[TheOddOne]

Shit dude, I think you've really nailed it. All those other companies who advertise their products as "not so hot" and "not cool to own" have really been going about things the wrong way. No wonder so many products fail.

A+

 

[doicare]

PS3 sold 3.8 Million worldwide for the same time frame Holiday 2009. It shipped 6.5 Million that quarter of 2009. Shipments should be around the same this time. 6.5 to 7.0 Million for the quarter.

That's not how the relationship between sales and shipments necessarily works, but they should be around 7 million either way, give of take half a million. Compared to 2009, Oct-Nov NPD numbers are slightly higher (1030k in 2009, 1151k this year) and they managed to ship 6.5 million back then.

EDIT: Beaten.

They're already up in north america & japan by just under 400,000 this quarter without us knowing Decembers NPD results yet, & i would be significantly surprised if they weren't up again this month. Between December's NPD & all of Oct-Dec in Europe Sony only needs to be up by another 300,000 from last year to reach 7 million shipped.

 

[bigtroyjon]

That's not how the relationship between sales and shipments necessarily works, but they should be around 7 million either way, give of take half a million. Compared to 2009, Oct-Nov NPD numbers are slightly higher (1030k in 2009, 1151k this year) and they managed to ship 6.5 million back then.

EDIT: Beaten.

The numbers Sony gave aren't just for December, they also include Black Friday week where we know Sony had their biggest sales ever in the US for BF, so those Oct-Nov sales aren't a good point of reference. Just looking at October sales has the PS3 being down from 2009.

I'd say 6.50 +or- .5 would be a decent guess and I wouldn't be shocked to see it hit the high end of that range.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

If I'm wrong then I am just that... wrong.

I be reading the tea leaves though. They pointin' toward a storm a brewin'. Also I know stuff, and that stuff is going to make people mad.

 

[Radec]

That is a lot of bundled kinects.

When can we expect numbers from Sony?

 

[bigtroyjon]

What plug-in do I need to watch that 2004 video? Firefox isn't finding anything.

 

[DukeTogo1300]

Who the hell is buying all dem Kinects?! 18 million suckers.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

What plug-in do I need to watch that 2004 video? Firefox isn't finding anything.

It plays with Windows Media Player for me. You can try downloading it or just watch it on YouTube.

 

[Karma]

They're already up in north america & japan by just under 400,000 this quarter without us knowing Decembers NPD results yet, & i would be significantly surprised if they weren't up again this month. Between December's NPD & all of Oct-Dec in Europe Sony only needs to be up by another 300,000 from last year to reach 7 million shipped.

I dont think we are disagreeing. I think they will ship around 7 Million for the quarter but they need 7.5+ to pass the 360 for the year.

 

[Phonomezer]

And practically storage-less. The fact that Kinect is bundled with a new machine for practically nothing (and a larger hard drive) adds more value to that item than saving $100 on the gimped version. And yes, the Kienct marketing helps push those units as well, but it's the bundle selling, not Kinect itself.

Uuuuhhhh, you can buy 250GB 360's without Kinect.

Someone seems unhappy with 360/Kinect sales numbers! Hmph!

 

[Nealand Liquor]

So much butthurt itt.

 

[doicare]

I dont think we are disagreeing. I think they will ship around 7 Million for the quarter but they need 7.5+ to pass the 360 for the year.

Well what i'm saying is i think they will ship over 7 million and 7.5 million isn't impossible either. We'll have to wait & see, there won't be much difference between the two for this calender year in terms of shipments. Although something that hasn't been mentioned is microsoft had to overship in Q1 of this year to make up for undershipping in Q4 of last year, there silly mistake from 2010 could end up 'winning' them 2011.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Who the hell is buying all dem Kinects?! 18 million suckers.

I'm sure they feel the same way about those that bought an expensive 360 with no Kinect.

Or no wait... they probably never think about them.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Why did anyone even buy a kinect?

People have had fun with it and want their own?

 

[Thunder Monkey]

People have had fun with it and want their own?

It's really not a hard concept.

Different expectations of what makes a good game doesn't nullify their experience. Taken in context it's really simple to understand. Which is why personal bias is obviously at play with the majority of these comments.

Most of you aren't stupid. Prone to hyperbole and over-zealousness? Yes and very. But not stupid.