MSI Launches console-PC, 'Creator P50 12th' in US ($1,719, RTX 3050, i7 12-core, 8GB GDDR6, Dual channel DDR4, 1TB SSD)

Eddie-Griffin

Cancer the womens baby so we can pregnant the panda, we are looking for igloos tonight Are you sexy?
This is a sequel to a the previous P series now in a console shell, but MSI made a big mess with this one because third-party's selling unofficial import releases are selling weaker versions of similar looking devices, and on several sites MSi has the spec sheets all mixed up, so due to the confusion I expect this to flop alone, but let's go over the actual machine, what does it look like and what does it bring? In America at least there's an official retail release that gives you exactly what the newest model is intended to have below:





Features​

RTX high-performance Creator P50 containa the world’s most powerful NVIDIA GeForce RTX™ GPUs, precision engineered into the Creator P50. Designed and tested specifically for creative workflows.
Now, you can create your best work—fast. RTX On.

Standing Out From The Creative Juices​

The new GeForce RTX® Series has more cores and higher clocks for superfast performance compared to previous-gen GPUs. Make your creativities come to life with super-fast ray tracing; delivers physically accurate shadows, reflections, and lighting. Tap into Tensor Cores for super-power AI-processing. Advanced memory, performance boosts, processing technologies make these GPUs the perfect weapon for creators. Get your super powers.

MSI SOUND TUNE​

SOUND CLEARLY. TUNE SMARTLY.​

The AI-powered noise cancellation is trained through deep neural network (DNN), the model is generated with more than 500 million data, simulate the way human brain works.
When a sound is heard, the model automatically recognizes and separate vocal sound from background noises; hence, filtering out all the unwanted Noise.

MSI Center​

The MSI Center takes optimization to the next level with A.I.; it helps to prioritize & allocate the resource on your hand to accelerate the performance of those software which you work with everyday.


It also helps you to find the photos or materials with Tag and brings the most efficient experience for your daily works.

* The interface and functionality may differ due to version change.

“ With modern and simplistic techniques from wireframe modeling, the perfect asymmetric design not only makes the root deeper in the ground but also extends upward so that there is no distance between the sky and the ground. Such dialogue and consonance show the greatest intersection between humanity and technology.”
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SPECIFICATIONS​

  • The latest MSI GeForce® RTX Graphics Card
  • Dual Channel Memory with DDR4 Boost Technology provides the most smooth & fastest real-time previews
  • A front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C port provides convenient access
  • Connect and rapidly transfer data over a network with the high-bandwidth and low-latency 2.5G Ethernet LAN.
  • Wi-Fi 6E puts more emphasis on transmission security with speed up to 2.4Gbps
  • 8K4K Creative Immersion Experience
(from B&H),Key Features
  • Intel Core i7 12-Core (12th Gen)
  • 32GB of 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM
  • NVIDIA RTX 3050 (8GB GDDR6)
  • 1TB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD
  • 2.5 GbE Ethernet
  • Wi-Fi 6E (802.11ax)
  • DisplayPort | HDMI | USB-C | USB-A
  • Compact Design
  • USB Keyboard and Mouse Included
  • Windows 11 Pro
ChipsetIntel H610
ProcessorIntel Core i7-12700F (12th Gen)
CPU2.1 to 4.9 GHz Performance 8-Core
1.6 to 3.6 GHz Efficiency Quad-Core
L3 Cache25 MB
Graphics TypeDedicated
GPUNVIDIA RTX 3050 with 8 GB GDDR6 VRAM
Memory Type3200 MHz DDR4
Total Installed Memory32 GB
Memory Configuration2 x 16 GB
Maximum Memory Capacity64 GB
Memory Slot Type260-Pin SO-DIMM
Buffered MemoryNo
ECC MemoryNo

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Now then, the question looking at this spec sheet is, is it worth $1,719? Yes it is much better than that Trident S thing so I will give them credit here, and they went for a more unique design, so what do you think?

Did MSI finally convince you to by their console factor PC with this Creator P50 12th series for $1720?
 
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Reallink

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Why do these companies employ so many redundant engineers with nothing to do that they have the time and and resources to make nonsense like this that won't even sell 1000 units. Just wasting shit for the sake of wasting it.
 
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Skifi28

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"world's most powerful RTX" has a 3050, nice.

But on the bright side, it's not integrated graphics so that's something.
 

Eddie-Griffin

Cancer the womens baby so we can pregnant the panda, we are looking for igloos tonight Are you sexy?
I'm going to leave my PC not connect to anything on my coffee table. Why the hell not, it will look classy.

Lol

Why do these companies employ so many redundant engineers with nothing to do that they have the time and and resources to make nonsense like this that won't even sell 1000 units. Just wasting shit for the sake of wasting it.

if you think about it, that's pretty much all they need to sell to make profits, 1000x1719 is $1,719,000. even just 500 buyers is $859,500.

They also always sell in China first before going to other countries, so who knows how many buy these things there. But they seem to be bringing more of these to the US so they must see a market here. Probably some gaffers buying these under the table in secret lol.
 

Sosokrates

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Looks good. I wonder how big it is, looks About the same size as a post.

Is it expensive considering the specs?
 

Andodalf

Member
Lamo an i7 12 gen with that GPU is insane. I just ordered the parts for a 750$ pc and went with a much more powerful 6650xt. I went with a 12th gen i3, which is the current budget king, and with higher clocks can outpreform it’s bigger brothers in things that arent heavily multithreaded. Like, you know, video games!
 

Eddie-Griffin

Cancer the womens baby so we can pregnant the panda, we are looking for igloos tonight Are you sexy?
You can build a better pc for the same price

But can you do it in that size and with that sexy design?

Its not even that small,

Yeah it's pretty big. At least the Trident S was close to the size of an Xbox One X, this seems to be thinner, but a bit taller than the size of a PS5.
 
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Eddie-Griffin

Cancer the womens baby so we can pregnant the panda, we are looking for igloos tonight Are you sexy?
Serious question - won't a PS5 out perform this in the real world?

Not really, it depends on how devs utilized the Dual Channel DDR4 with the RTX's 8GB of DDR6 Ram.

Technically, with Hold and Modify, you can have up to all 6 GBS of graphical ram in use like consoles such as PS5, however you can swap or add to the ram from anywhere else it's locked in. But with H&M you can take that 4GBS of Dual Channel DDR4 and can split 2GBs from that and add it to the GDDR6 through Virtual RAM, making it 10GB of GDDR6 instead of Just 8, and the other 2GB to balance between system ram, asset ram, and resolution video ram.

This means that 4K 120fps is possible, drops to 60fps for more intensive games, and you take less of a hit than consoles when Ray Tracing is on.

This allows developers to "slap the metal" of the hardware which allows for deeper tools that can increase fidelity without compromising memory.









lol no pS5 wrecks it.
 
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BlackTron

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Garbage tier option. Why not just get a laptop instead? Way better hardware for the price, plus it also transforms between a game console and a PC...while being even smaller, and not trying to look like some piece of contemporary coffee room decor.
 

Apocryphon

Gold Member
Looks like somebody had fun crafting a router case 😂

Alienware needs to follow up the X51. That was a small dorm factor PC worth buying.
 

Reallink

Member
Looks good. I wonder how big it is, looks About the same size as a post.

Is it expensive considering the specs?

Comically and offensively so. $1800 in the present market would build an i9, RTX 3090, 32GB, PCIe 4.0 NVMe system that's approaching or exceeding 3x faster than this. This is like paying top dollar for a half decade old system. The 3050 is roughly equivalent to the GTX1070, a mid range card from 2016.
 
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That CPU seems at least as good as what PS5 and the Series X consoles have if not better, but that GPU sure isn't. Significantly less VRAM than either system in practice, much lower pixel fillrate and texture fillrate, much lower effective bandwidth than the GPUs in PS5 and Series X would be using even considering sharing that with CPU, audio and SSD decompression logic.

Only GPU advantage are Tensor Cores for hardware-accelerated RT, but it's probably not enough to make too big a difference in its favor for RT scenarios compared to consoles and it just gets smoked in rasterization tasks. The extra DRAM may help a lot as a sort of cache but it's still limited in terms of bandwidth even compared to the 3050's VRAM let alone the bandwidth the non Series S consoles have.

Does it even support Thunderbolt for eGPU expandability? Those USB 3.2 ports would only in theory maybe support Thunderbolt 3 eGPUs meaning at best Thunderbolt 3 chipset which has a lot more latency than Thunderbolt 4.

Overall it doesn't sound worth the money; they have a laptop convertible-based version of this Creator line which sounds a lot more appealing. I was even considering picking one up before deciding for a different convertible though (better GPU, better display colorspace and response time, etc.).

Serious question - won't a PS5 out perform this in the real world?

For gaming? Absolutely not. At most it might have a very slight advantage in certain RT scenarios due to the Tensor Cores, but that's pretty much it.

PS5 (and Series X) run circles around it in terms of pixel fillrate and texture fillrate. Much higher effective RAM bandwidth as well and in PS5's case, a much more capable SSD I/O subsystem. The only other thing this might be better than PS5 & Series X in is the CPU, but I'd need to read a bit more on the 12700's features. That L3$ does give it a pretty likely CPU advantage, however.

So you have something here that is maybe a bit less likely the CPU is the limiting factor, but more likely the GPU is the limiting factor, especially in rasterization-heavy tasks. If you want to use it for graphic design and video editing though, then yeah it will demolish PS5 and Series X...

...only because it can actually run those products since it runs Windows 10 (or 11). Game consoles aren't for productivity but if you could side-load Windows or Linux on a PS5 or Series X that same software would most likely run a lot better on them depending on how GPU-heavy workloads are.
 
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Fahdis

Gold Member
Looks like MSI bought the bulk of their 3050's during the crypto rush and are now offsetting the price onto the consumer. The only person who will buy this will be an idiot.
 

Jinzo Prime

Member
MSI must have a bunch of 3050s lying around and are trying to write them off on their taxes or dump them on unsuspecting buyers.

Expect a three day warrenty for this POS and absolutely no support if something goes wrong
 

baphomet

Member
do you plan on making a dumb thread anytime any PC maker makes some over priced piece of shit in something that even remotely resembles a console case?

you've made it very clear you don't even understand PC's.

then again this is just another previously banned alt shitting up the forum without anyone caring.
 

night13x

Member
What is this? covid era Miner craze prices with the sole purpose to exploit the customer? Yeah MSI can just go **** off with this shit.
 
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