RustyNails
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Not sure why you're confused. Pretty much everyone agreed that they are haram or not recommended except maninthemirror.
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Muslim-GAF, is getting a tattoo Haram?
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Not sure why you're confused. Pretty much everyone agreed that they are haram or not recommended except maninthemirror.
Maninthemirror
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Looks like you didn't watch the video posted
I said there is a difference between haram and not recommended. Haram is sinful and not recommended is ill advised. i might be wrong but I think this is in not recommended category
shira
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The video is a non-Muslim source.
Maninthemirror
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wow, i can honestly tell you that i never wanna meet you tool in person. (and i don't even have tattoos)
only reason i didn't wrote anything worse is because of the instantban i would get.
You sound like my father. He's kind of an asshole when it comes to acknowledging people who don't adhere to the exact same beliefs he does.
Grow the fuck up.
Permanent tattoos are haraam, but temporary ones are alright, given that a few conditions are met.
See here for details: http://islamqa.info/en/99629
See here for details: http://islamqa.info/en/99629
That's offensive as hell and incredibly ignorant.
Terra Firma
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Maninthemirror:
In Islam, we already have a category for acts that are not recommended. Those fall under the category of makrooh or disliked, such as having bad breath while going to the mosque or the category of masbooh, which means permissible, but neither recommended nor disliked, such as driving a car. Tattoos are not makrooh, but straight out haraam. The hadeeth in Bukhari cannot be any clearer. The Prophet PBUH did not curse things that were merely disliked.
For example, the Qur'an merely prohibits the consumption of alcohol, but the ahadeeth expand this prohibition to its buying, selling, production, etc. Does that make those actions merely "disliked"?
Only the Shi'as and their ayatollahs claim that any kind of tattoo is permissible, but then again, they reject the saheehayn.
In Islam, we already have a category for acts that are not recommended. Those fall under the category of makrooh or disliked, such as having bad breath while going to the mosque or the category of masbooh, which means permissible, but neither recommended nor disliked, such as driving a car. Tattoos are not makrooh, but straight out haraam. The hadeeth in Bukhari cannot be any clearer. The Prophet PBUH did not curse things that were merely disliked.
For example, the Qur'an merely prohibits the consumption of alcohol, but the ahadeeth expand this prohibition to its buying, selling, production, etc. Does that make those actions merely "disliked"?
Only the Shi'as and their ayatollahs claim that any kind of tattoo is permissible, but then again, they reject the saheehayn.
Messofanego
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Dogs aren't halal to eat either XD
RustyNails
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Only the ones that aren't hot!
Could you tell us which other people are filth according to the Sharia?
I had premarital sex last night. On a scale of 1 to 10, how filthy am I?
Are you seriously doing this? Does it surprise you that Muslims consider actions which are in opposition to the Sharia as being filthy?
Wickerbasket
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Honestly? Yeah, it's surprising and a bit disgusting.
I would be shocked to discover that a person viewed me as filthy because I didn't practice their beliefs. I honestly wouldn't respect that person's opinions very much.
Maninthemirror
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Actually you are right looking at the video I myself linked and the Hadith it also refers to having a tattoo is considered haram in that sense
This thread got heated quickly. Can we just leave it at a consensus of, "Yeah, it's haram, get a temp one instead or just don't bother."
So even those who aren't Muslim that do things against our deen is filthy to you? pls.
So even those who aren't Muslim that do things against our deen is filthy to you? pls.
They're actions are seen to us as being filthy...I'm not going to say that they as human beings are filth.
Permanently A
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Well, think about it. Why don't muslims eat pigs? Because they view the pig as unclean. Therefore those who eat pigs are unclean or filthy. Pretty simple logic to me. (not saying I adhere to this logic, just saying its not really that shocking)
Yeah, you'd be better off not using the word 'us'.
Huh? Any Muslim that has a decent understanding of Islam knows what is within and outside the boundaries of the Sharia.
Wickerbasket
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So muslims see everyone outside of their religion as unclean or filthy?
I'm just having a hard time believing that anyone would make such sweeping generalisations.
I'm pretty sure not all muslims believe that, because it would be a pretty crazy thing to believe.
What do you want me to say? That we see it as being acceptable to disobey Allah (swt)? Of course not.
That which opposes the Sharia is unacceptable.
Wickerbasket
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Well you can answer the question, do you see everyone outside of your religion as filthy and unclean?
It lets me know whether I can disregard your opinions from now on.
SteveWinwood
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spongebob has to be a joke character at this point
Glass Rebel
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Absolutely.
Don't take my word for it though, I'm a terrible muslim.
Don't take my word for it though, I'm a terrible muslim.
I see actions that are outside the Sharia as being filthy. When I say filthy, I don't necessarily mean physically unclean.
TimeEffect
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Why is it originally sinful?
From what I remember of the same Hebrew texts, it was something pagan religions did as a commitment to their gods, so Abrahamic religions forbade it to be different from the pagans surrounding them. I don't know how true that is, but I would think that the reasons don't apply today to the same degree. Of course, I dont take any of the texts seriously, so I read it more liberally.
I also assume that more generally, modifications are probably seen as contradictory to the sacred body god made for you. Not to derail, but where would prosthetic arms and legs and things like that fall into in that regard? Would getting a prosthetic arm, for example, be seen as a modification?
From what I remember of the same Hebrew texts, it was something pagan religions did as a commitment to their gods, so Abrahamic religions forbade it to be different from the pagans surrounding them. I don't know how true that is, but I would think that the reasons don't apply today to the same degree. Of course, I dont take any of the texts seriously, so I read it more liberally.
I also assume that more generally, modifications are probably seen as contradictory to the sacred body god made for you. Not to derail, but where would prosthetic arms and legs and things like that fall into in that regard? Would getting a prosthetic arm, for example, be seen as a modification?
Permanently A
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In my family most people are outwardly racist and non apologetically disdainful of non muslims. Hell the other day my cousin was trying to tell me Hitler was a pretty good guy for killing Jews, "our enemies". Took a good while to deprogram that from him.
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lol I think you're taking the word "unclean" and "filthy" too literal here.
Wickerbasket
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Replace the word with disgusting/obscene if you want, it's still stupid.
I'm not going to change Islam to appease you :/
Glass Rebel
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Pretty good question. I think this would fall into Allah not wanting you to endure hardship and therefore allow it but I'm sure someone could find a passage in the Quran that says it's not ok :lol
Wickerbasket
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You don't have to.
I mean, I think you're opinion of others is stupid/disgusting, but you can believe what you want.
As a non-Muslim, do you actually think I care about your interpretations of Islam?
You can't be serious. False equivalency at its finest.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
My mom thinks eating rare meat is disgusting, against her culture, what does that mean to you?
People believe things other people do are disgusting, that's nothing new
Wickerbasket
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Does she judge other people for it? Because if she does, I don't think very highly of your mom either.#
For example, I think eating rare meat is disgusting too, however, I don't judge people who eat rare meat as disgusting.
I also wouldn't say that people who eat rare meat probably do other filthy stuff, because that's generalising.
As a Muslim I believe that homosexuality is filthy. Are you going to say that you don't judge me for that view? Don't you label us as being homophobic?
Yes I judge you very poorly.
"filthy"? really?
You don't have to agree with it but "filthy"?
Supermanisdead
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Go for it OP. Tattoos are hot.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
accepting the fact that people are different with different culture n beliefs doesn't mean you cant be against a specific thing they do.
I don't know what you mean by judge, but to say that you cant criticize or be disgusted(for whatever reason) by another culture/religion or a certain practice is pretty ridiculous
well the thread is about a certain practice, and that practice is seen by many Muslims are a sin/filth etc... it didn't generalize into ANYTHING else about the people
Wickerbasket
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Well obviously I would look down on a view which is negative towards another group of people for no reason.
You are saying you think an entire group of people are filthy based on who they are attracted to, which is a pretty disgusting opinion.
I just don't understand how a religion that thinks everyone outside of it is filthy/disgusting is compatible with modern times.
Who would want to interact with someone who thought they were filthy? I know I wouldn't.
Terra Firma
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It is sinful because the Prophet PBUH spoke out against tattoing. Other reasons, such as changing the creation of Allah, are secondary to that since they are not as direct a commandment.
Prosthetics do not fall under changing the creation of Allah, especially if they are for life-saving procedures, such as prosthetic heart valves, but to go out of your way to amputate your fully functional arm or leg so that you can get a prosthetic replacement is something that is not allowed.
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