So what? All it takes is one irreconcilable difference.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
My girlfriend would not date a Muslim
- Thread starter lawlohwhat
- Start date
- Status
Modernising probably wont happen anytime soon as the alteration or reconstruction of the word of god in islam is more or less a capital crime.
Though you already have so distinctions within the faith already like division of Sunni's and Shiite's..
Also gospel like practices like Sufism.(None of which I believe I'm qualified to even go into any length over) It may be plausible that further lines will be drawn over interpretations of hadiths/verses of the quran & practices of the faith may evolve as time passes. Though I personally wouldn't hold my breath.
stn
Member
Guys, seriously. Stating you prefer not to date a certain race doesn't make one racist, its just a personal preference. Same way you may not prefer to date a person with acne, obesity issues, or other qualities that may not attract you. You may not have issues with the race per se, you might just not be attracted in that way. I don't know, I can see a difference.
TheRealTalker
Banned
The problem here is that The Quran is classical arabic
Multiple arabic root words come from it...
In order to understand it properly you'd have to learn pure classical arabic... Plus the reason/time the verse/surah was revealed (At a time of war, peace, pilgrimage, signs, the past, the future)
Translations are just incompetent sparknotes for a overly complex book of rythmic patterns and uniquely structured grammer
One verse could be shortly tranlated into a sentence or a large multiple of pages.
Certain verses become clearer as we learn more about the universe. (Like the orbiting of planets, or iron hitting the earth later)
"Modernizing" or fiddling with it will just create holes and disbalance.
Us humans are imperfect in doing so.
Who has time to learn an ancient language to verify the veracity of a single religion among thousands? It would help if Allah wasn't a monoglot. Anyway I think we've strayed from the topic here.
Precisely. Plus beliefs aren't an immutable trait. People can change their beliefs.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
I think this is only really a thing associated with religious ideas based around race and with white people, so you have to understand it's pretty difficult for the billions of non-white, non-religious people to hear that they're not even going to be considered. And then there's always a comment about hair or culture that just seems super fucked up.
I know a lot of people here say that they have no problem with what OP's girlfriend said and would say the same, but the main problem is her reasoning and how she "would rather date a Jew" as an insult. She never (from OP's discussion that I read) said anything about dating a devout Muslim (like many people here have been assuming), but a Muslim, period.
It isn't going to happen, but people need to get over the whole "every Muslim is devout" idea and the stuff that's seen in the media that is about Muslims in countries that are stuck in the past. There's a new generation of Muslims now in countries like America who are far more lenient and open-minded than ever before. My parents never forced me to pray, didn't have a problem with me dating a white person(and no, I didn't have to "convert" her), and they even let my sister date a black guy if you want to use the whole "females have no power" excuse. It isn't just the case with my family because I am seeing it more and more of it everyday. Yes, family culture still plays a huge part and there are still some devout Muslims out there that follow exactly what most people believe, but I strongly believe that the Muslims like me outnumber those extremely devout Muslims in places like I mentioned.
I understand that religion is an important thing to a lot of people, but IMO excluding an entire group of people who follow a religion is NOT simply a preference, it's prejudice. A preference isn't black-and-white. If she said she prefers Christians over Muslims or something like that, then I would be okay with it, but to say that she would find a Jew more acceptable makes me believe there is something more to it than that.
It isn't going to happen, but people need to get over the whole "every Muslim is devout" idea and the stuff that's seen in the media that is about Muslims in countries that are stuck in the past. There's a new generation of Muslims now in countries like America who are far more lenient and open-minded than ever before. My parents never forced me to pray, didn't have a problem with me dating a white person(and no, I didn't have to "convert" her), and they even let my sister date a black guy if you want to use the whole "females have no power" excuse. It isn't just the case with my family because I am seeing it more and more of it everyday. Yes, family culture still plays a huge part and there are still some devout Muslims out there that follow exactly what most people believe, but I strongly believe that the Muslims like me outnumber those extremely devout Muslims in places like I mentioned.
I understand that religion is an important thing to a lot of people, but IMO excluding an entire group of people who follow a religion is NOT simply a preference, it's prejudice. A preference isn't black-and-white. If she said she prefers Christians over Muslims or something like that, then I would be okay with it, but to say that she would find a Jew more acceptable makes me believe there is something more to it than that.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Well that is what a scholar is... It is rythmic and easily to follow so it isn't the end of the world
Also in the Quran it says (paraphrasing) that multiple languages are there for us to learn from each other.
But you are right that we are going off topic so I'll stop.
I apologies to the OP
---------------------------------------------------------
On point though I can understand why some people don't want to have a relationship with someone of a different belief/race
It makes complete sense that there are different attractions for different folk... Everyone doesn't have to be attracted to anyone
I do get why you would prefer to date someone of your own religion. However, singling out Muslims doesn't really make any sense when you consider the fact that all three religions worship the same god. Muslims even accept Jesus as the Messiah. If I'm not mistaken, that's not the case with Jews.
methane47
Member
The rest of your post is agreable. Just wanted to ask one more question.
Which one would you date? and which one would you not date?
Captain Europe
Member
Then a LOT of people believe in their own personally made up gods based on the Abrahamic god.
It's a fact that these religions use the same god, whether you like it or not.
It's telling, isn't it? You can control someones behaviour only to a point. Hot twenty-something year old girls want to experience life. Religion won't stop them.
I was also a bartender for many years part-time. I can tell you about Muslim men who run into the bar while their wives were shopping at the nearby market, down three double whiskey in about five minutes and then get out without saying a word.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Hey OP, show your sis this picture.
Let's see what happens.
Let's see what happens.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
you should also understand that different religions have different lifestyles and Muslim and Christian in her view might not mesh.
TheOhrenberger.
Banned
Have you shown your girlfriend this thread you made about her? Because if you do then I bet you she won't be your girlfriend much longer...
salty_Josh
Member
I need bacon, so I get it.
lawlohwhat
Banned
If that were true it wouldn't be on account of anything I've said. These are all things that we've specifically discussed.
Some of the hateful posts from other people might be offensive I guess.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
He should show her the creampie thread too imo
Every day I rejoice over the fact that I have no religion. Never have any conflicts of interest with anyone. That's a relief.
OP, your gf is entitled to date whomever she pleases, but I am concerned that her position is from ignorance. Stereotypes aren't helpful for any situation and the typical stereotype for Muslims isn't very flattering and I get the impression that's where her demur stems from. I'd encourage her to look into the topic more and develop an opinion that isn't completely influenced by negative propaganda.
Much like the many variations of Christian people, Muslims vary by person.
As some have already explained, your gf's ex was an abusive asshole using religion as a crutch for his madness.
My anecdotal evidence too (to add some perspective); my father was/is a Muslim and my mother is non religious. He never tried to force her to not eat pork, they both drank on occasions and he never forced his religion on my siblings and I either. He saved his whining for family feuds with his own siblings over religion. Altogether, his religion was his own and it remained that way.
I hope your girlfriend has sought help after her ordeal. It's terrible when anyone uses religion to cover up their bullshit.
Same.
I also want to mention that modernized religious followers are much different than the overzealous ones people see running rampant. The new generation is blossoming fairly well.
OP, your gf is entitled to date whomever she pleases, but I am concerned that her position is from ignorance. Stereotypes aren't helpful for any situation and the typical stereotype for Muslims isn't very flattering and I get the impression that's where her demur stems from. I'd encourage her to look into the topic more and develop an opinion that isn't completely influenced by negative propaganda.
Much like the many variations of Christian people, Muslims vary by person.
As some have already explained, your gf's ex was an abusive asshole using religion as a crutch for his madness.
My anecdotal evidence too (to add some perspective); my father was/is a Muslim and my mother is non religious. He never tried to force her to not eat pork, they both drank on occasions and he never forced his religion on my siblings and I either. He saved his whining for family feuds with his own siblings over religion. Altogether, his religion was his own and it remained that way.
I hope your girlfriend has sought help after her ordeal. It's terrible when anyone uses religion to cover up their bullshit.
Same.
I also want to mention that modernized religious followers are much different than the overzealous ones people see running rampant. The new generation is blossoming fairly well.
TheOhrenberger.
Banned
You discussed this in private though. You're taking a conversation that she likely thought was between just you and her and are sharing it with the world. And literally at the end of this post you called her a bigot. From my perspective, this one's on you. I know that if I were in a relationship with someone and they posted a thread about me on a forum on the internet about something like this I'd immediately lose my trust in them and probably end the relationship.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
I would break up with someone who wouldn't date someone else.
No I wouldn't
lawlohwhat
Banned
Fair enough, but I am coming from a place of wanting to understand something that is baffling to me, and getting a lot of other perspectives is helpful.
edit, i've requested the thread be closed. You've convinced me that it isn't a good idea to leave it open to a public discussion.
Thanks for the replies everyone
- Status