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[radioheadrule83]

Any of you who have friends or family who are Dem supporters, but won't vote for Obama for what you suspect are racially related reasons - disown them please. Especially if Colonel Tigh wins the presidency in November.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

I've made the same observation, not within my family, though. My parents are pretty smart when it comes to politics.

The really fucking weird thing I've noticed is with my girlfriend's roomie. Whenever something about Obama comes on the TV, she gets pissy: "Ugh...I don't like him at all."

If I ask her why, or anyone asks her why, the answer is always the same: "I don't trust him." "He's not going to help us."

Her mom and grandmom are like that, too. Fucking lunatics. Thankfully my girlfriend sends me a little glance whenever her friend says anything. We both know how full of shit, immature, and tempermental her roomie is...and how fucking incorrect she is, as well.

How is she incorrect, exactly? This guy hasn't proven himself. He doesn't have presidential experience. She's just as entitled to think that he is distrustful as you and your girlfriend are to think that he is trustful. Your little glances that you exchange is nothing more than physical smugness.

The younger Obama supporters seem to be just as bad as the racist and misinformed people that are dismissing him are. I cannot tell you how many inane bandwagon jumpers I've ran into. Why do you like Obama? "Because he gives good speeches." Well, goddamn, hand this man the fucking presidency. It's a joke. At least the Paul supporters can tell you why they like the guy. And before someone says, "All college students that support Obama are not like that,"--well, no shit. It doesn't change the fact that I've seen a lot of lemmings supporting this guy.

 

[worldrunover]

the most common criticism seems to be his lack of experience at being a white person.

WE CAN'T HAVE FIST BUMPS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

 

[Kyuuketsu_Night]

I just want to get this straight now. If, and in my opinion when, Obama loses in November, it's automatically going to fall into the America was too racist category? (Honestly, this is rhetorical.)

Thus, the Democratic Primary was merely a fun PoliGAF poll - Is America more sexist than racist!1?

It's automatically going to fall into retardation AND racism. Nice combo.

 

[thetrin]

Any of you who have friends or family who are Dem supporters, but won't vote for Obama for what you suspect are racially related reasons - disown them please. Especially if Colonel Tigh wins the presidency in November.

Dude, McCain WISHES he was as awesome as Colonel Tigh.

How is she incorrect, exactly? This guy hasn't proven himself. He doesn't have presidential experience. She's just as entitled to think that he is distrustful as you and your girlfriend are to think that he is trustful. Your little glances that you exchange is nothing more than physical smugness.

The younger Obama supporters seem to be just as bad as the racist and misinformed people that are dismissing him are. I cannot tell you how many inane bandwagon jumpers I've ran into. Why do you like Obama? "Because he gives good speeches." Well, goddamn, hand this man the fucking presidency. It's a joke. At least the Paul supporters can tell you why they like the guy. And before someone says, "All college students that support Obama are not like that,"--well, no shit. It doesn't change the fact that I've seen a lot of lemmings supporting this guy.

As a Senator, yes, he has proven himself.

 

[ToxicAdam]

You're retarded to pretend like you know the motivations for why people vote. Some people vote strictly on a "gut feeling" and then begin to justify why they are making their decision from there. So, whenever they hear disparaging things about a candidate, they latch onto it and use it to galvanize thier choice. That's why many people who won't vote for a certain candidate begin to all sound the same.

It's as stupid as saying that most white people that show support for Obama is because of white liberal guilt.

 

[radioheadrule83]

How is she incorrect, exactly? This guy hasn't proven himself. He doesn't have presidential experience. She's just as entitled to think that he is distrustful as you and your girlfriend are to think that he is trustful. Your little glances that you exchange is nothing more than physical smugness.

And wtf is that?

Can *anything* prepare you for the power you wield or the responsibilities you have when you sit in the Oval Office?

"Presidential" isn't a trait in my eyes. Being presidential is a byproduct of being the president. Obama's abilities as an orator, and as a man of debate, impress people because they demonstrate his knowledge on subjects and his intelligence. It instils faith in people that he can help better or repair America.

 

[WinFonda]

My mother is similar. She doesn't think Obama is suited for president. She thinks he's an unknown quantity, and doesn't "know what he stands for." And my mother really doesn't like Obama's wife, she says that Michelle reminds her of Condoleeza Rice.

Whenever I ask her who she likes, she says none of them. Although I honestly saw her start to tear up in one of Hillary's later speeches. :lol

 

[King_Slender]

WE CAN'T HAVE FIST BUMPS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

:lol
That was the most embarassing thing Michelle Obama has done since introducing Barack as "My baby's Daddy!" when he won his Senate seat.

Can *anything* prepare you for the power you wield or the responsibilities you have when you sit in the Oval Office?

To be honest (and I'm not a McCain fan at all) 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton will make you think twice about putting our troops in harm's way.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

You're retarded to pretend like you know the motivations for why people vote. Some people vote strictly on a "gut feeling" and then begin to justify why they are making their decision from there. So, whenever they hear disparaging things about a candidate, they latch onto it and use it to galvanize thier choice. That's why many people who won't vote for a certain candidate begin to all sound the same.

It's as stupid as saying that most white people that show support for Obama is because of white liberal guilt.

/thread

I agree with this. It is absolutely silly to assume why people do and don't vote for a candidate.

 

[Manics]

Democrats are such morons. The U.S. isn't ready to have a black president. Having Obama as the nominee only secures another 4 years of a Republican in the White House. Congrats you morons.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

Democrats are such morons. The U.S. isn't ready to have a black president. Having Obama as the nominee only secures another 4 years of a Republican in the White House. Congrats you morons.

Congrats at perpetuating stereotypes and by insinuating that anyone that isn't an elderly white man is somehow inferior.

I think Obama should tap an Asian woman for his VP to totally mind fuck everyone in America... "I done told you that dem blacks and asians and womens were taking over our country, stealing our money and taking our guns!"

 

[beelzebozo]

The U.S. isn't ready to have a black president.

what does this even mean, dude? do you think we're going to cross some magical threshold at which point every casually racist person in the country is going to say, "boy howdy, ten years ago it was out of the question, but i'm ready for a black president now?"

 

[EverSoTrendy]

Democrats are such morons. The U.S. isn't ready to have a black president. Having Obama as the nominee only secures another 4 years of a Republican in the White House. Congrats you morons.

What an astute individual you are. You have completly shown me the light. I'm on the right path for sure now!

 

[Malleymal]

I think that Obama took a great step in receiving the nominee.. but i think it is going to be a miracle for him to win it all...

I still feel AMERICA can not accept a black man as president, and that will be realized on election night. All can talk about how they want change, but once they get in the booth there will be a different story. the polls will be like the internet or XBL, people can do what they want without any claim.

As much as I would love to see obama as pres, I think it will take another cycle of failure for people to finally accept where obama is trying to go.

 

[StrikerObi]

My dad still buys into the fact that Obama is The Manchurian Candidate. It's a hopeless case. It drives me insane how incredibly uninformed he is. Obama will have to make a real impression on the older voters to ensure a win. They are the only ones that vote!

Though I do think that Obama can rock the youth vote, I'm not sure it will be enough to crush the silent majority.

 

[Rapping Granny]

So is the whole muslim thing true about the guy, or is it some redneck exaggeration so they can have something to complain about without needing to call him the N word?

A canadian Obama supporter here.

 

[EverSoTrendy]

Congrats at perpetuating stereotypes and by insinuating that anyone that isn't an elderly white man is somehow inferior.

I think Obama should tap an Asian woman for his VP to totally mind fuck everyone in America... "I done told you that dem blacks and asians and womens were taking over our country, stealing our money and taking our guns!"

If only you knew, my neighbors are like that. I laugh at the inbred fucks everytime they try to form a rebuttal on why "Dem Negroes" shouldn't be in the white house. It's sickening. I can't believe race matters so much to people. God how neanderthalic.

 

[WinFonda]

You're retarded to pretend like you know the motivations for why people vote. Some people vote strictly on a "gut feeling" and then begin to justify why they are making their decision from there. So, whenever they hear disparaging things about a candidate, they latch onto it and use it to galvanize thier choice. That's why many people who won't vote for a certain candidate begin to all sound the same.

It's as stupid as saying that most white people that show support for Obama is because of white liberal guilt.

"Gut feeling" is simply a euphemistic way of saying they're voting on ignorance, which we know is prone to breed things like racism.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

My dad still buys into the fact that Obama is The Manchurian Candidate. It's a hopeless case. It drives me insane how incredibly uninformed he is. Obama will have to make a real impression on the older voters to ensure a win. They are the only ones that vote!

Though I do think that Obama can rock the youth vote, I'm not sure it will be enough to crush the silent majority.

Then take it as a personal obligation to reach your friends and have them register to vote. If you hit them over the head over and over again... give them the information they need to register, tell them where to go, constantly be in their ear about it... then you might just get one to register. That's one more vote. I'll take that.

Every election cycle I bug my friends to vote (though I have a group of friends that is VERY politically active and engaged) and every cycle I get one more.

 

[Killamangiro]

in any case, the whole thing with lack of presidential experiance is BS. Bush being president for all these years is still a clown, WTF
The older generation no mater where you are in the world seem to harbour prejudcies and what not. whereas the younger lot have grown up in cities and schools that are multi racial therefore they dont carry these stigmas of the past. its globalisation baby!

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

My dad still buys into the fact that Obama is The Manchurian Candidate. It's a hopeless case. It drives me insane how incredibly uninformed he is. Obama will have to make a real impression on the older voters to ensure a win. They are the only ones that vote!

Though I do think that Obama can rock the youth vote, I'm not sure it will be enough to crush the silent majority.

The youth isn't going to do shit. I can't believe people are counting on college kids to go out and vote. They never have showed up in large numbers and he's not going to make them show up either.

 

[Cheebs]

The youth isn't going to do shit. I can't believe people are counting on college kids to go out and vote. They never have showed up in large numbers and he's not going to make them show up either.

The youth vote turned out in insane numbers in the primaries.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

The youth vote turned out in insane numbers in the primaries.

Primaries is not the presidential election. And what is insane numbers, exactly? Compare to what? Because I bet you that these "insane" numbers pale in comparison to the "older generation" that gets out and votes.

 

[Manics]

what does this even mean, dude? do you think we're going to cross some magical threshold at which point every casually racist person in the country is going to say, "boy howdy, ten years ago it was out of the question, but i'm ready for a black president now?"

What an astute individual you are. You have completly shown me the light. I'm on the right path for sure now!

Fuck do I have to spell it out for you guys? There's still a shitload of RACISM in the U.S. I personally think Obama is the right guy for the job, but he's never gonna fuckin win in a million years. You guys need to wake up.

 

[StrikerObi]

The youth vote turned out in insane numbers in the primaries.

And think of how many people vote in primaries compared to how many vote in the general election. This election will have an insane youth turnout, but like I said I'm still not sure it can match the old vote.

Then take it as a personal obligation to reach your friends and have them register to vote. If you hit them over the head over and over again... give them the information they need to register, tell them where to go, constantly be in their ear about it... then you might just get one to register. That's one more vote. I'll take that.

Every election cycle I bug my friends to vote (though I have a group of friends that is VERY politically active and engaged) and every cycle I get one more.

Oh believe me, I do this. I am very politically minded. I'm the guy calling all my friends on election day reminding them to go vote. Thankfully my friends are also politically minded. It's kind of funny really, after the Kerry fiasco I was ready to give up on the Democrats, losing what should have been a sure-thing in my opinion. Obama has really turned my view around, as he seems to me like somebody who is willing to actually fight. That's probably because he had to fight Clinton for so long, he's sort of battle-tested now. I just hope he can stand up to the GOP smear-machine.

Fuck do I have to spell it out for you guys? There's still a shitload of RACISM in the U.S. I personally think Obama is the right guy for the job, but he's never gonna fuckin win in a million years. You guys need to wake up.

The point they are trying to make is that so long as people like you have the "it'll never happen" mentality, then it won't ever happen. Your defeatist attitude does nothing to further the cause of eliminating racism, or electing a black president.

 

[Manics]

Congrats at perpetuating stereotypes and by insinuating that anyone that isn't an elderly white man is somehow inferior.

WTF are you talking about? When did I insinuate that anyone non-white is inferior? I said the U.S. will never elect this guy as president. Learn to read.

 

[sixteen-bit]

My parents might not be the most open-minded Democrats in the world, but they'd sooner cut off their arms than vote Republican.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

Primaries is not the presidential election. And what is insane numbers, exactly? Compare to what? Because I bet you that these "insane" numbers pale in comparison to the "older generation" that gets out and votes.

Newsflash - ALL Americans should be disgusted by the voting rate for ALL ages.

When more people vote weekly for reality shows than in a meaningful, democratic (yeah, I know, Electoral College, blah blah blah) election, it's embarrassing.

Youth vote has hovered in and around low 20% for years. I don't expect it to go up much more, but any gain (and it will be a gain), counts for something.

 

[lil smoke]

I think most people who don't want to pick one or the other, just don't vote.

:raises hand:

I agree with this gentleman, but I get yelled at for saying this. People act like you HAVE to vote. There are plenty of other ways to contribute.

Vote when you are sure you know exacttly what/who you are supporting. Don't just follow status quo.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

The whole youth vote is overblown anyway. You guys do realize that there are diehard, youthful Republican supporters, right? They do exist. A lot of the youth will likely vote for Paul or Nader as well (probably the direction I'll be going in).

 

[StrikerObi]

I agree with this gentleman, but I get yelled at for saying this. People act like you HAVE to vote. There are plenty of other ways to contribute.

Vote when you are sure you know exacttly what/who you are supporting. Don't just follow status quo.

Well it is your civic duty. Even if you don't like the major candidates, tons of people run for President. Find one that jives with you and vote for him/her, even if he/she doesn't stand a chance of winning.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

WTF are you talking about? When did I insinuate that anyone non-white is inferior? I said the U.S. will never elect this guy as president. Learn to read.

You didn't say "this guy"

The U.S. isn't ready to have a black president.

I'm not stupid, inept or naive. Racism is rampant. However, what you've insinuated here is that the U.S. won't accept a black man, because he doesn't have the qualities of what has been the status quo (elderly white men). That a black man (or any other man or woman for that matter) is incapable of holding the office because he lacks something (inferiority) by nature.

 

[ToxicAdam]

"Gut feeling" is simply a euphemistic way of saying they're voting on ignorance, which we know is prone to breed things like racism.

Don't pretend to be above it all, jackass. We make decisions everyday of our lives based on "gut feelings". From purchasing homes, to finding mates to making financial decisions that impact our lives. Most people make their decision within the first few moments and then use information to either accentuate or detract from that intial impression.

Quit being so fucking pompous.

 

[Grug]

From a non-American perspective, I just cant understand why Hillary had such a loyal following.

She reeks of politics and self serving ambition... she'd eat a baby dolphin on stage if polling data supported it.

I dont care who wins out of Obama or McCain... just glad that cow is out of the race.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Because I sure remember Clinton going up against a black guy in his presidential race...?

What? He was talking about Hillary Clinton in the primaries. She dominated the AA vote early on.

 

[scorcho]

Fuck do I have to spell it out for you guys? There's still a shitload of RACISM in the U.S. I personally think Obama is the right guy for the job, but he's never gonna fuckin win in a million years. You guys need to wake up.

so your way to address racism is to deny a fully qualified candidate the nomination because he's black?

 

[VistraNorrez]

I'm not stupid, inept or naive. Racism is rampant. However, what you've insinuated here is that the U.S. won't accept a black man, because he doesn't have the qualities of what has been the status quo (elderly white men). That a black man (or any other man or woman for that matter) is incapable of holding the office because he lacks something (inferiority) by nature.

It's a ridiculous argument considering about 18 million people voted for a black man in the primaries. I do believe come the GE he'll have most of Hillary's supporters, as well as a lot of undecided and independents. This is already a passionate election year. Much more so than the previous ones. I can't imagine a great deal of the primary voters sitting out the GE.

 

[justjohn]

hmmm i think its understandable as to why some people are a bit apprehensive about this guy. lets face it, to most white americans mccain is a safe choice; they know his type and what to expect.
obama is a completely different kettle of fish, unamerican name, muslim links, african american; its perfectly reasonable that people would rather go with whats safe and what they know than this unknown. some of them undoubdetedly will be down to their racism, but i think for most their concerns are genuine and nothing to do with racism.
we need to stop this racism witchunt against anyone who doesnt like or wont vote obama even though they dont like mccain.

 

[LCGeek]

Don't pretend to be above it all, jackass. We make decisions everyday of our lives based on "gut feelings". From purchasing homes, to finding mates to making financial decisions that impact our lives. Most people make their decision within the first few moments and then use information to either accentuate or detract from that intial impression.

Quit being so fucking pompous.

Which is US biggest problem is this instant gratifaction and a rush to judgement/action culture if people practiced a little more paitence and restraint we'd be a lot better off.

 

[scorcho]

unknown? the guy has written two autobiographies and has been on the public stage for quite some time.

to call him 'unknown' itself is ignorance.

 

[Ceres]

It's a ridiculous argument considering about 18 million people voted for a black man in the primaries. I do believe come the GE he'll have most of Hillary's supporters, as well as a lot of undecided and independents. This is already a passionate election year. Much more so than the previous ones. I can't imagine a great deal of the primary voters sitting out the GE.

Actually, I've seen a lot of Hillary supporters on the net say they'll vote for McCain if Obama wins (from months ago when I actually actively read stuff about the primary elections). It doesn't really make any sense to me if you're initially supporting her from a party perspective since Obama is far more like Hillary than McCain is. The majority of people who voted for her will go with Obama as the democratic nominee but I think some of the most passionate Hillary supporters will not.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

unknown? the guy has written two autobiographies and has been on the public stage for quite some time.

to call him 'unknown' itself is ignorance.

That's what you have to challenge people on. When they say "I don't know enough about him" or "I don't know what he stands for," that's when you have to press them a bit and say "Well, why haven't you done due diligence to understand the positions of EACH candidate to see who you ultimately agree with.

Make it about their personal failure.

 

[GSG Flash]

I wish my family could vote in the US elections (we're Canadian), my whole family supports Obama.

I'm gonna visit some of my family in San Francisco this July and it looks like I'm gonna have to work my magic there and get all of them on the Obama bandwagon (which I think they're already on, even if they don't like him, since everyone hates the Republicans.

 

[Ceres]

That's what you have to challenge people on. When they say "I don't know enough about him" or "I don't know what he stands for," that's when you have to press them a bit and say "Well, why haven't you done due diligence to understand the positions of EACH candidate to see who you ultimately agree with.

Make it about their personal failure.

Yeah, one of the worst arguments I always saw is people saying he's all talk but no action and how he says "Change" but has no plan to implement it. They have no interest in going to his website to read the long ass PDF that covers every thing he wants to do. They just want things handed to them. However, I think a lot of Obama's rabid supporters have not even bothered to read it themselves.

 

[captive]

Like it or not, there's still a lot of racism in America that people don't fess up to, but comes out when alone in the voting booth. The pundits keep on talking about "working, middle-class Americans" as a euphemism for racists, as they can't say that word for fear of alienating their viewership. Even so, let's call this what it is, folks. Be honest, it's still a problem.

So basically if a white man doesnt want to vote for Obama he's racist? Lets be honest, thats exactly what you just said.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

this thread makes me sad

..and makes me wanna move to Canada :lol

 

[Mumei]

To the people who are learning of ignorance on the parts of their friends and families, a question:

How are you trying to educate them?

 

[Raistlin]

My mom is "scared" by Obama. Could this be a common problem come November? #1

 

[Kai Dracon]

It might not be the most mature political perspective, but a small part of me hopes desperately that Obama will win the GE purely for the sake of seeing the heads of so many white Americans who, inside their minds, still live in a simulated 1956, explode. Simultaneously. While 100,000 random people in the sky yell "WHOP!"

It would be glorious.