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NAACP Leader Exposed as White Woman in Blackface

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Again environment may be the factor between simple and willful ignorance. I have no idea's how teachers tackle the subject but who is to say in every area that is true? Aren't there teachers out there who have tried pushing creationism? ( I forgot what state allowed it for a while.) The point is that when your parents, friends, and most of the people you interact with expose a person to somethings not many people are inherently curious about things that are not of a direct concern, or it may influence choice heavily. This can be from something as simple as picking a brand loyalty. Some may chose Colgate over Crest, not because they dislike or by experience but Crest at a lower preference they may simply be using it because they are more familiar with Colgate and see no reason to change toothpaste. And that may apply to everything, including how they get information, who they listen to, what websites they visit. While willful ignorance means that it is a conscious choice that they made to ignore other sources, simple ignorance could simply be those that due to familiarity have not broken the confines of what they are accustomed to.

No one says you have to know how to be a teacher, what I mean is if someone shows ignorance about a subject, try informing them first instead of attacking or becoming hostile. Once they have shown not to listen, then you don't need to waste your time. But at least putting the benefit of the doubt first, imo, is one of the strongest examples of being civil with other members of said society.

In a society where we can't help but get information and points of view outside of our immediate peers and world view because of traditional media(radio, tv, film) social media, advertising, and the internet I do consider those people that you would consider benignly ignorant to be willfully so. I don't think anyone can get away from the vast sensory input of the media machines I listed earlier without a conscious choice. They are simply too ubiquitous. I'm quite amazed how much we are willing to excuse in this so called information age.

You also just said to me that ignorance is the opportunity to educate. I can only imagine that you would suggest it because that's what you feel would be optimal. I said teacher because that's generally what we call someone who educates. Do you feel I've attacked you or been hostile or is that just a more general remark in your second paragraph?
 

royalan

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Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism are the main indicators of racism. Are you saying those imply happy feelings? Apathy? Supremacy groups are listed as hate organizations in this country? I wonder why?

Rachel well meaning intentions doesn't change the fact she said some ignorant stuff. But anything she said that denigrates another race, even her own, can be considered with malice.

This isn't an argument.

Prejudice, discrimination and antagonism are indicators of racism, and no they don't always indicate happy feelings, but they do NOT necessarily imply hatred. The intent behind your actions are completely divorced from the outcome and how they affect other people. As I said, someone can be completely well-meaning in their intent and still be incredibly racist.

Let me give you a very basic example: slavery. Of course, a lot of white people hated slaves in the South at that time, but if you asked many slave owners how they felt about slaves? Oh, they loved them as children. They took care of them. Only disciplined them when they "had to." To these people, slaves were just as children and they were proud to be able to make them productive. Now, of course as we all know, this was all bullshit. Slavery was completely, 100% racist regardless. But for a lot slave owners, that hatred component wasn't there. They owned slaves and thought they were good people.

To think that Rachel's (or anyone's) actions have to carry a specific hatred in order to be considered racist is not only completely wrong, it's actually dangerous. This is the kind of thinking that contributes to the underhanded racism that we're fighting today. Because too many people think that unless someone's wearing a KKK hood and/or shouting "FUCK BLACK PEOPLE", then it must not be racism. Racism is a lot more sly than that. Rachel could have been completely innocent in her motivations, but at the end of the day she made a mockery of an entire race, and she made us inferior by even thinking that because she had some adopted black siblings, liked the culture, and went to an HBCU, that she had licence to not only be black, but to be an expert on blackness to other, real black folk. There's a huge argument that can be made that Rachel's actions were completely racist, regardless of what the fuck she felt.

Supremacy groups are listed as hate organizations in this country? I wonder why?

Because a lot of supremacy groups ARE hate groups. But besides the fact that this does nothing to argue that racism has to carry hatred. Example: most MRA groups aren't considered hate organizations, even though many (most) of them are extremely misogynist and racist.
 
In a society where we can't help but get information and points of view outside of our immediate peers and world view because of traditional media(radio, tv, film) social media, advertising, and the internet I do consider those people that you would consider benignly ignorant to be willfully so. I don't think anyone can get away from the vast sensory input of the media machines I listed earlier without a conscious choice. They are simply too ubiquitous. I'm quite amazed how much we are willing to excuse in this so called information age.

You also just said to me that ignorance is the opportunity to educate. I can only imagine that you would suggest it because that's what you feel would be optimal. I said teacher because that's generally what we call someone who educates. Do you feel I've attacked you or been hostile or is that just a more general remark in your second paragraph?


It seems you do not understand what I posted at all. let me use an analogy for you. A person has 5000 channels on their TV. Channels 2356, 3400, and 4589 has such differing views that it will change their mind if they watch it. problem is the family is only used to watching channels bellow 1000 so the person never watched all of the channels they possible could so never come across it.

My suggestion to really understand people. To really understand "how" people can be so closed minded in this nation, is to simply travel around in this nation and see how people live their lives. Ask questions. I have done so in the south my next adventure is to try in northern states, but again there are people who may have access to the information but never felt the desire to look it up because they didn't know they were missing anything.

To put in perspective how strong this for some people. I had taken a trip to New Orleans and decided to look around and talk to people. After I crossed the bridge to Algiers I ended up talking to a lady that lived there in her 30's. I asked her what were some good places to look at in the city and she told me she didn't know, because she never crossed the bridge. Thinking she was kidding with me, I asked if she ever left the state. She stated no. When I asked her why, her response was to shrug her shoulders and tell me that all of her life all she ever wanted was in that area of the 15th ward so she never thought about making a trip or leaving, never found the reason to need to.

Yes, there are wealth of information out there. There is a huge world out there that people can travel and experience different arts and cultures, but some people choose not to take advantage of that because some have the mindset of staying with familiar sources and cannot grasp why people would want to. Being a curious person myself it took me a while to understand that the person wasn't "wrong" or "broken" just had a different outlook. When you realize that not all people seek out new information and experiences automatically because of familiarity then you can understand what it means for someones behavior and mentality to be crafted by the environment they are in.

I think people not being ignorant should be optimal, but we don't have the luxury of that in this nation. The next step is to talk to people who have fixed views and hopefully inspire them to seek alternate views. You don't need to convince someone that their familiar views are wrong, just remind them that there may be more perspectives out there. And that was a general remark in my second quote. I mean being civil is to talk to others for understanding would help go along way.

This isn't an argument.

Prejudice, discrimination and antagonism are indicators of racism, and no they don't always indicate happy feelings, but they do NOT necessarily imply hatred. The intent behind your actions are completely divorced from the outcome and how they affect other people. As I said, someone can be completely well-meaning in their intent and still be incredibly racist.

Let me give you a very basic example: slavery. Of course, a lot of white people hated slaves in the South at that time, but if you asked many slave owners how they felt about slaves? Oh, they loved them as children. They took care of them. Only disciplined them when they "had to." To these people, slaves were just as children and they were proud to be able to make them productive. Now, of course as we all know, this was all bullshit. Slavery was completely, 100% racist regardless. But for a lot slave owners, that hatred component wasn't there. They owned slaves and thought they were good people.

To think that Rachel's (or anyone's) actions have to carry a specific hatred in order to be considered racist is not only completely wrong, it's actually dangerous. This is the kind of thinking that contributes to the underhanded racism that we're fighting today. Because too many people think that unless someone's wearing a KKK hood and/or shouting "FUCK BLACK PEOPLE", then it must not be racism. Racism is a lot more sly than that. Rachel could have been completely innocent in her motivations, but at the end of the day she made a mockery of an entire race, and she made us inferior by even thinking that because she had some adopted black siblings, liked the culture, and went to an HBCU, that she had licence to not only be black, but to be an expert on blackness to other, real black folk. There's a huge argument that can be made that Rachel's actions were completely racist, regardless of what the fuck she felt.



Because a lot of supremacy groups ARE hate groups. But besides the fact that this does nothing to argue that racism has to carry hatred. Example: most MRA groups aren't considered hate organizations, even though many (most) of them are extremely misogynist and racist.

Of course this isn't an argument.

When you say Prejudice, discrimination and antagonism are indicators of racism, and no they don't always indicate happy feelings, but they do NOT necessarily imply hatred. My obvious question to that is what other feelings do they bring up then?

To your second part, about people "loving" slaves, that is the difference between institutionalized racism (law of the land) and personal racism. If those people actually loved them they would have set the slaves free. I did hear that happened in the past So I do believe it existed. But some people always viewed their slaves as less than human so you can say akin to animals but worse, maybe they would have allowed a least a dog in the house. To show how true this may have been though is after slavery was abolished. The difference between love and hate manifested itself strongly then. You will have a hard time getting me to believe that human beings that could have possible beat or kill other human beings, sold children like cattle, broke families up in the name of profits and/or actually looked at their slaves as objects instead of people actually cared for them.

And cultural appropriation, especially due to having adopted and married black people is far from "mocking". Nothing she did seem to try to ridicule or deride the black race. And again, explain to me, using the definition of racism, how you can logically come to the fact that she was being racist.
 
It seems you do not understand what I posted at all. let me use an analogy for you. A person has 5000 channels on their TV. Channels 2356, 3400, and 4589 has such differing views that it will change their mind if they watch it. problem is the family is only used to watching channels bellow 1000 so the person never watched all of the channels they possible could so never come across it.

My suggestion to really understand people. To really understand "how" people can be so closed minded in this nation, is to simply travel around in this nation and see how people live their lives. Ask questions. I have done so in the south my next adventure is to try in northern states, but again there are people who may have access to the information but never felt the desire to look it up because they didn't know they were missing anything.

To put in perspective how strong this for some people. I had taken a trip to New Orleans and decided to look around and talk to people. After I crossed the bridge to Algiers I ended up talking to a lady that lived there in her 30's. I asked her what were some good places to look at in the city and she told me she didn't know, because she never crossed the bridge. Thinking she was kidding with me, I asked if she ever left the state. She stated no. When I asked her why, her response was to shrug her shoulders and tell me that all of her life all she ever wanted was in that area of the 15th ward so she never thought about making a trip or leaving, never found the reason to need to.

Yes, there are wealth of information out there. There is a huge world out there that people can travel and experience different arts and cultures, but some people choose not to take advantage of that because some have the mindset of staying with familiar sources and cannot grasp why people would want to. Being a curious person myself it took me a while to understand that the person wasn't "wrong" or "broken" just had a different outlook. When you realize that not all people seek out new information and experiences automatically because of familiarity then you can understand what it means for someones behavior and mentality to be crafted by the environment they are in.

I think people not being ignorant should be optimal, but we don't have the luxury of that in this nation. The next step is to talk to people who have fixed views and hopefully inspire them to seek alternate views. You don't need to convince someone that their familiar views are wrong, just remind them that there may be more perspectives out there. And that was a general remark in my second quote. I mean being civil is to talk to others for understanding would help go along way.

I was born in Helena Arkansas. A town of about 7k people. So small that it didn't even have it's own movie theater. You had to go across the bridge to a casino in Mississippi because it was the nearest one if you wanted to see a movie.We thought we were hot shit when we got a Ryans Buffet and a larger Wal Mart. Those simple people you talk about are related to me. My mother was born in Marianna Arkansas pop not even 4k. My life has been your advice of traveling around the south. I've also lived in California(LA, San Diego Oxnard), Arkansas(Helena, Forrest City, Marianna Little Rock) Mississippi(Greenville), and Texas(Cedar Park, Pflugerville, Round Rock, currently reside in Austin). That's just where I lived before I finished highschool. I've visited plenty more places in the south(Oakland, Alameda, San Francisco, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas, Lake Charles, Memphis, Raleigh). A very few out of the south and The States themselves.

I do realize they are not wrong or broken. I've never said as much nor did I intend to imply it. I'm saying they are ignorant. Being ignorant isn't an excuse for when your behavior causes ill to people even if you are ignorant of said harm and bear them no ill will. That doesn't make it not-harm all of a sudden.
 

Slayven

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I was born in Helena Arkansas. A town of about 7k people. So small that it didn't even have it's own movie theater. You had to go across the bridge to a casino in Mississippi because it was the nearest one if you wanted to see a movie.We thought we were hot shit when we got a Ryans Buffet and a larger Wal Mart. Those simple people you talk about are related to me. My mother was born in Marianna Arkansas pop not even 4k. My life has been your advice of traveling around the south. I've also lived in California(LA, San Diego Oxnard), Arkansas(Helena, Forrest City, Marianna Little Rock) Mississippi(Greenville), and Texas(Cedar Park, Pflugerville, Round Rock, currently reside in Austin). That's just where I lived before I finished highschool. I've visited plenty more places in the south(Oakland, Alameda, San Francisco, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas, Lake Charles, Memphis, Raleigh). A very few out of the south and The States themselves.

I do realize they are not wrong or broken. I've never said as much nor did I intend to imply it. I'm saying they are ignorant. Being ignorant isn't an excuse for when your behavior causes ill to people even if you are ignorant of said harm and bear them no ill will. That doesn't make it not-harm all of a sudden.


Awesome, our travel history seem close. I have not had the chance to visit Arkansas or Las Vegas yet. Not only have I traveled to but lived in LA/Glendale, Austin, and Miami. Austin is awesome imo, I hope you are enjoying living there.

My thing is that it is nondescript when talking about ignorance and behavior. What behavior are you referring to? Ignorance can fuel people to say stupid things, or to rationalize things that they aren't familiar with the nuances. I wouldn't say behavior like that are too harmful because as long as it is not influenced by confirmation bias then those things can be changed. May I ask what type of behavior fueled by ignorance are you referring to? What type of ignorance are you referring to?

EDIT: On second thought I will retract those questions. After being called an idiot, and accused of logical fallacies when simply pointing out there should be stronger attention paid to intent whether explicit or implicit. I have been told that there is nothing in racism that implies hatred. And that there is no difference between an act done and purpose and one that is not. This is the face of our fight against racism today? I have even less faith than before about the future of the country if ideas like these are actually widespread. I find Rachael Dolezal actions misguided and probably a little bit touched but not racist because she actually tried to be black not only by simply coloring of the skin but via association. Which iirc, racists don't like to associate with targets of their attention. If that makes me a crazy one for pointing out that distinction instead of screaming "but blackface", then I can live with that. I will not speak on this topic again.

This is not in reaction to nitekrawlwer. Thank you for the civil responses nitekrawlwer!
 

royalan

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Bye gurl, fly gurl.

Glad that people are sending her the message that her bullshit is not ok. Lady, that character you created is not wanted, and it is damn sure not needed.

To your second part, about people "loving" slaves, that is the difference between institutionalized racism (law of the land) and personal racism. If those people actually loved them they would have set the slaves free. I did hear that happened in the past So I do believe it existed. But some people always viewed their slaves as less than human so you can say akin to animals but worse, maybe they would have allowed a least a dog in the house. To show how true this may have been though is after slavery was abolished. The difference between love and hate manifested itself strongly then. You will have a hard time getting me to believe that human beings that could have possible beat or kill other human beings, sold children like cattle, broke families up in the name of profits and/or actually looked at their slaves as objects instead of people actually cared for them.


This is absolutely wrong.

Keep in mind that I'm in not arguing that there weren't a lot of white folk in the South that just hated black folk, but in the eyes of some slave owners at that time, they loved their slaves as children, they were responsible for them, so if they "loved" them their responsibility was to keep them right where they were, in the "family" and being productive. For a lot of slave owners, the hatred didn't come until the war and the upsetting of the "natural order" of the South. You can't attribute to hatred what many people at that time would describe as a sense of duty. Blacks were inferior, manual labor was the only way to make them productive members of society. It's fucked up, but it's not necessarily hate. Hate doesn't have to come as a component of racist actions.

I explained that in this segment of my last post that you completely ignored:

To think that Rachel's (or anyone's) actions have to carry a specific hatred in order to be considered racist is not only completely wrong, it's actually dangerous. This is the kind of thinking that contributes to the underhanded racism that we're fighting today. Because too many people think that unless someone's wearing a KKK hood and/or shouting "FUCK BLACK PEOPLE", then it must not be racism. Racism is a lot more sly than that. Rachel could have been completely innocent in her motivations, but at the end of the day she made a mockery of an entire race, and she made us inferior by even thinking that because she had some adopted black siblings, liked the culture, and went to an HBCU, that she had licence to not only be black, but to be an expert on blackness to other, real black folk. There's a huge argument that can be made that Rachel's actions were completely racist, regardless of what the fuck she felt.

Nobody gives a fuck that Rachel married a black dude and adopted some black kids. None of that changes what she ultimately did: changed her physical appearance, lied about being black, invaded black spaces and chastised black people from a false position of authority. You won't see me not calling that racist, even if her motivations were oh so "tee hee!"
 

Slayven

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Her school already dropped her, don't nobody want her problems. Let her get on full time at the Circle K and rot in obscurity.,
 

NumberTwo

Paper or plastic?
Maybe but I don't see it becoming anything, the novelty of this woman has already worn off. And I doubt she is that interesting.
It will truly be watershed moment of this century when one of this country's highest rated television shows is a woman in blackface.

Like, what if all of this was just a long con to bring blackface back to the forefront of America's consciousness? Then everyone looks at us like we're crazy when we go, "hey man, this ain't right".
 

Slayven

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It will truly be watershed moment of this century when one of this country's highest rated television shows is a woman in blackface.

Like, what if all of this was just a long con to bring blackface back to the forefront of America's consciousness? Then everyone looks at us like we're crazy when we go, "hey man, this ain't right".

IT was predicted

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My friend made a comment tonight that I actually couldn't figure out how to argue.

Basically he said that society is becoming okay with people changing their gender at will, why should we also not let a person choose their ethnicity/race? I mean, she WAS the president of the NAACP, so she spent obviously spent a lot of time bettering the lives of black folks in her area.

The only thing I could argue was that she was cherry picking. If she wanted to, she could go back to living as a white person and not have to deal with the issues of being a minority. But that said, it didn't seem like that was the case here. It seems like she had fully immersed herself.
 
My friend made a comment tonight that I actually couldn't figure out how to argue.

Basically he said that society is becoming okay with people changing their gender at will, why should we also not let a person choose their ethnicity/race? I mean, she WAS the president of the NAACP, so she spent obviously spent a lot of time bettering the lives of black folks in her area.

The only thing I could argue was that she was cherry picking. If she wanted to, she could go back to living as a white person and not have to deal with the issues of being a minority. But that said, it didn't seem like that was the case here. It seems like she had fully immersed herself.

Not really, you should read the part where she sued Howard and identified as white despite claiming she's felt black since she was a child.
 

Orca

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My friend made a comment tonight that I actually couldn't figure out how to argue.

Basically he said that society is becoming okay with people changing their gender at will, why should we also not let a person choose their ethnicity/race? I mean, she WAS the president of the NAACP, so she spent obviously spent a lot of time bettering the lives of black folks in her area.

The only thing I could argue was that she was cherry picking. If she wanted to, she could go back to living as a white person and not have to deal with the issues of being a minority. But that said, it didn't seem like that was the case here. It seems like she had fully immersed herself.

I guess you could be born either way - male, female, whatever. If you have a pair of white parents, you're...I guess I'd say pretty unlikely...to be born black.
 
Don't know if anyone posted it already but they did in fact discuss this issue and yes BT, it was glorious :) Check it out..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-wmRySR7xU

Oh yeah glorious like saying there is more proof Rachel is black than Jenner is a woman and constantly deadnaming and misgendering her.

Fuck off with that transphobic shit.

And he fucking doubles down on it.

Re Gender identity being a thing: "There's no evidence of that"

Constant referrals to trans folk as "these transgender motherfuckers"

Rachel knows more about being black then trans men known about being men or trans women know about being women.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised guy thinks we shouldn't talk about the Cosby rapes and than women shouldn't fuck multiple men.


Hey man thanks for bringing back the bullshit transphobic nature of this situation. Thanks for posting this and thinking it's awesome and glorious. Glad you think equating trans people as liars and frauds is glorious.
 
Shut it off after the Bruce Jenner comparison.

Sorry bruh.

Good call I'm half way in and the thing is less about Rachel and more about how fucking fucked up and fake trans folk are (just got to a point no shitting where he says you can never have ovaries therefore you can never know what a real woman is like)

Oh and lying and trapping. They're now making fun of a trans woman for not wanting to fuck gay men.'

Oh and interviewer refers to a trans woman as she and Lamar tells him to stop saying she and playing along because you encourage that shit. Then he says "now what did he say: and then leans back like he's some sort of badass for misgendering a trans woman. Every time he refers to this trans woman as he he emphasizes it as if making a very important point. Even bullies the interviewer who wanted to respect her into saying he or she (and even that got Lamar shaking his head as if to say how dare you even)

The whole first half is just transphobic nonsense. They finally get over it. Oh nevermind he made sure to call Jenner crazier than Rachel.
 

royalan

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Guys, Rachel doesn't braid her own hair. She said so in an interview. She goes to a girl for that.

Y'all done been fooled again.
 
Jesus is this story still going? and people are still likening it to Transgender and bashing that as being just as fake now? SMH oh man we are in some weird neoliberal dystopia right now where to make someone inclusive we have to ridicule some other demographic

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