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NCAA Men's College Basketball 2010-2011 Season OT

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Defending National Champions:

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Pre-seasion top 25:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...id/5687640/after-five-months-time-n ew-top-25
1. Duke
2. Purdue
3. Michigan St
4. Pitt
5. Kansas St
6. Ohio St
7. Kansas
8. Nova
9. Gonzaga
10. Florida
11. Syracuse
12. Kentucky
13. Missouri
14. Illinois
15. UNC
16. Memphis
17. Baylor
18. Washington
19. Butler
20. Georgetown
21. Tenn
22. SDSU
23. Minnesota
24. Temple
25. Georgia

25. What will be the most-anticipated non-conference game?

How about Michigan State at Duke, on Dec. 1? It's a game matching two of the nation's four or five most pre-eminent programs. Think of it as an early Christmas present for fans.

24. Can Trey Thompkins and Travis Leslie get Georgia back in the Big Dance?

This will be one of the best duos in the nation, even if few casual fans have taken the time to watch the Bulldogs play. Georgia made the NCAA field in 2008 only because it made a miracle run to the SEC tourney title; before that appearance, Georgia hadn't been since 2002. The Bulldogs aren't talented enough to win the SEC East, but the Leslie-Thompkins duo might be enough for a third-place finish in the division. Look for them to combine for about 35 points and 16 rebounds per game - and for Leslie to have one highlight-reel dunk each time out, as well. In addition, look for the Bulldogs to be barking in the NCAAs in March.

23. Who's the best player from a mid-major program?

We certainly don't want to step on any toes, whether they be high-major, mid-major or low-major. Thus, we're going to have two answers for this question. The best player in the nation from a non-Big Six school is BYU G Jimmer Fredette, who is a scoring machine. He can bomb away from 25 feet and he can get to the rim; he's also money from the line. As to the best player from a "traditional" mid- or low-major, we'll go with Morehead State F/C Kenneth Faried, a rebounding machine. Faried, a senior, has averaged a double-double in each of the past two seasons, and it wouldn't be a surprise if he leads the nation in rebounding this season. He understands his offensive limitations and generally worries only about scoring in the paint - and it's tough to stop him there because he can jump out of the gym.

22. How good is the SEC West? And is anyone in the division going to be able to challenge Mississippi State?

On the football field, the SEC West is the best division in the nation. On the basketball court? Not even close. No division team made the NCAA field last season, and other than Mississippi State, no division team should be making plans this season. The SEC East could have four teams better than any team in the West. Mississippi State needs big seasons from Dee Bost and Renardo Sidney, and because of NCAA issues, neither will play a full season. But if both are playing well in March, the Bulldogs will be dancing. Their division brethren, meanwhile, can only hope for NIT bids.

21. Can Xavier get back to the Sweet 16?

Xavier and Michigan State are the only teams to reach the Sweet 16 in each of the past three seasons, but the Musketeers could have a tough time making it four in a row now that Jordan Crawford and Jason Love have departed. Xavier shouldn't have a problem making the NCAA tournament, but the Musketeers will need a favorable draw and a huge season from junior guard Tu Holloway - who used to be known as Terrell Holloway - to make it back to the regional semifinals.
Billy Donovan has some young talent at Florida.

20. Is Florida ready to break through again?

After winning back-to-back titles in 2006 and '07, the Gators missed the NCAA tourney entirely in '08 and '09 before losing in the first round last season. The top players are back, and coach Billy Donovan has added a solid recruiting class that fills some holes. There's a lack of depth in the backcourt, though, which likely means Florida's ceiling is an appearance in the Sweet 16.

19. What happens if Purdue stays injury-free for once?

The pieces are in place for a Final Four run if the talented and experienced Boilermakers can stay healthy. That has been a particular problem for Robbie Hummel, who does a little bit of everything - score, rebound, pass, defend - for coach Matt Painter. If the Boilermakers are healthy in March, not making the Final Four should be considered a disappointment.

18. Everyone knows Duke is the best team in the ACC. Who's the Blue Devils' biggest challenger?

The answer probably depends on just how much of an impact North Carolina F Harrison Barnes makes as a freshman. If Barnes is as good as advertised, the Tar Heels could finish second in the ACC. If not, that honor probably goes to Virginia Tech, which didn't make the NCAA tourney last season.

17. How much does Gordon Hayward's departure hurt Butler?

The Bulldogs might have opened the season as a top-five team had Hayward stuck around for his junior year. Without Hayward, they're more like a top-20 team. Matt Howard and Shelvin Mack should form a dynamic inside-outside duo, but Hayward's absence prevents the Bulldogs from having the matchup advantages they exploited throughout their run to last season's championship game.

16. Who is the Big East favorite?

Syracuse showed the value of preseason rankings in the Big East when it won last season's title by two games despite being picked sixth by the league's coaches . Syracuse will be in the mix to repeat with Kris Joseph taking over for Wes Johnson as the go-to guy, but no clear favorite exists. Pittsburgh and Villanova are veteran teams that won 25 games last season, while West Virginia returns star F Kevin Jones from a Final Four team. Georgetown and Marquette are there, too.

15. Arizona's streak of 25 consecutive NCAA tournament appearances ended last year. Do the Wildcats start a new streak in 2011?

Arizona missed the tournament, but coach Sean Miller did lead the Wildcats to their best Pac-10 record since 2006-07 last season. That was more an indication of the weakness of the league, but Arizona at least set a foundation. F Derrick Williams was the surprise Pac-10 freshman of the year, and Miller now needs guys such as Jamelle Horne, Kyryl Natyazhko and Solomon Hill to become more productive and consistent. We're betting the Wildcats miss the NCAAs again before returning in 2012.

14. Memphis has top-10 talent, but will youth be its undoing?

Second-year coach Josh Pastner has answered any lingering questions about his ability to recruit; now, he just has to make sure all that talent meshes. Kentucky showed last season that young talent - no matter how good it is - can come up short at crunch time. Memphis should make a nice NCAA run, but to expect an inexperienced coach to guide an inexperienced team much past the Sweet 16 is asking a lot.

13. How does Ohio State replace Evan Turner?

It obviously will take a team effort to replace Turner, national player of the year who led the Buckeyes in scoring, rebounding and assists. Ohio State may actually have the talent and numbers to do it. William Buford finished second to Turner in scoring (14.4 ppg) and rebounding (5.6). Buford and David Lighty will provide veteran leadership but the biggest talent upgrade is freshman big man Jared Sullinger, a candidate to be the nation's best freshman.

12. Which new coaches have the best chance to get their teams to the NCAA tournament in their first year?

The class of first-year coaches has few, if any, slam dunks for immediate tournament appearances. St. John's Steve Lavin and Seton Hall's Kevin Willard have veteran teams, so they seem the most likely to reach the Big Dance in their first seasons. UTEP's Tim Floyd can coach and star G Randy Culpepper returns, but the frontcourt has been gutted. Clemson's Brad Brownell gets a break in that the ACC isn't as strong at the top as usual, so he and the Tigers might be able to snag a bid.



Bruce Pearl lied to NCAA investigators.
11. How will pending NCAA investigations affect Connecticut and Tennessee?

If we knew for certain, we would jet to Vegas, plop down a bundle, then retire young - well, relatively young, at least. You're na? if you don't think talk of the NCAA probe isn't going to follow these teams around; the players - and the coaches - will be constantly reminded. We say it will be tougher for UConn just because the Big East is deeper than the SEC. Tennessee will be able to win some games even if its focus isn't on basketball; that won't necessarily be the case for the Huskies. This could end up being a long season for both teams - and for both coaches.

10. Will the Pac-10 make a significant jump from a dreadful 2009-10?

The Pac-10 would be hard-pressed to be much worse than it was in 2009-10, when it flirted with being a one-bid league. While it looks to be, by far, the worst of the six major conferences, it should be improved. After reaching the Sweet 16, Washington is a clear favorite, though the Huskies must replace Quincy Pondexter. After shedding some bad apples, UCLA will rebuild around Tyler Honeycutt, Malcolm Lee and Reeves Nelson. Arizona and Washington State will hope for more consistency under second-year coaches Miller and Ken Bone, respectively. But nobody else needs to have any NCAA hopes.

9. What coach is on the hottest seat?

How about North Carolina State's Sidney Lowe ? The Wolfpack made five consecutive NCAA appearances (2002-06) under his predecessor, Herb Sendek. But there was grumbling about Sendek's style of play and he left for Arizona State after the 2006 season. The Wolfpack haven't been to the NCAA tourney since, and Lowe likely won't be around next season unless the Wolfpack reach the NCAA tournament this season. The good news for Lowe is that NCSU has enough talent to earn a bid. Three of the top 37 prospects in the 2010 recruiting class join a roster that already includes star F Tracy Smith. In addition, the ACC doesn't look nearly as strong as usual, so the Wolfpack should be good enough to go dancing.

8. Can any program from outside the six major conferences make a Butler-like run?

We probably won't see any of those teams reach the NCAA championship game, but plenty of them could - and maybe even should - make deep postseason runs. An outstanding freshman class should assure that Memphis returns to the NCAA tournament after a one-year absence. Gonzaga, Butler and Xavier will be as dangerous as always. BYU boasts one of the nation's top guards in Jimmer Fredette. And now that we're done with the usual suspects, keep an eye out for San Diego State and Temple.

7. Can Michigan State get back to a third consecutive Final Four?

Michigan State is on the short list of teams with legitimate reasons to think they can get to Houston, the site of this season's Final Four. Chief among the reasons is the presence of coach Tom Izzo, who spurned advances from the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers to remain with the Spartans. Izzo is a master at getting his teams primed for long NCAA runs - even when they don't have the talent to necessarily make those long runs. Kalin Lucas, Durrell Summers and Korie Lucious are experienced guards, and Draymond Green heads what should be a solid frontcourt. The Big Ten is excellent this season, which may mean the Spartans lose a few more in the regular season than they're used to. But that should make them even more ready for March Madness. Izzo has taken three consecutive teams to the Final Four before, from 1999-2001. And UCLA did it from 2006-08. If we had our feet held to the fire right now, we'd say Izzo and the Spartans will get to Houston.

6. Can North Carolina bounce back?

The Tar Heels won the national title in 2009 - their second in five seasons - but failed to make the NCAA tourney last season. Still, UNC showed enough improvement during its drive to the NIT final that it's hard to imagine the Tar Heels going 5-11 in ACC competition again. The arrival of a highly touted freshman class that features Harrison Barnes - the No. 2 prospect in the nation - also should help. North Carolina will make the NCAA tournament and could finish as high as second in the ACC, but the Tar Heels still probably aren't good enough to make a legitimate Final Four run.

5. Will Josh Selby and Enes Kanter be eligible this season? And if not, what does that do to Kansas and Kentucky?

Both highly touted freshmen are waiting for the NCAA to rule on their amateur status. Selby is being investigated for his relationship with Carmelo Anthony's business manager, while Kanter's time with a pro team in Turkey is under scrutiny. Kansas coach Bill Self trotted Selby out for media day as if he were a member of the team (he's taking classes), so that seems telling. Kanter's position may be a little less certain. The loss of either freshman wouldn't preclude these teams from winning their conference, but their absences would cut into their national title hopes.

4. Are this season's Kentucky freshmen as good as last season's Kentucky freshmen?

This would be easier to answer if we knew Kanter's status. It's still an interesting enough question that we broached the topic to Jerry Meyer, a national recruiting analyst for Rivals.com. "It's debatable which class is better," Meyer said. "I think the star power and the elite talent of John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins really put that past class ahead of this year's class. Also, [Eric] Bledsoe probably played better than his ranking. Overall, I like the 2009 class better, even if Kanter can play."

3. Are any of the freshmen national-player-of-the-year good?

Meyer said it would be tough to imagine a freshman as the nation's player of the year, but he mentioned North Carolina's Barnes and Ohio State's Sullinger as potential candidates, along with Kentucky's Kanter and Kansas' Selby, assuming they're eligible. Barnes would seem like the most likely contender because of the attention he'd receive if he leads North Carolina back into title contention one year after the Tar Heels failed to earn an NCAA bid.

2. What's the best conference?

It's going to be the Big Ten. The league has three legitimate Final Four contenders in Michigan State (just pencil the Spartans in; it'll save time later), Ohio State and Purdue. Illinois returns its core group and adds some touted freshmen and should make a long NCAA run. Wisconsin doesn't have the talent of the league's "big three," but coach Bo Ryan nevertheless will make sure the Badgers are near the top. Minnesota is another team to watch. The Big 12 is a bit too top-heavy to be considered the best, while the Big East is deep but looks to lack a truly elite team this season.

1. As good as Duke was in 2009-10, could the Blue Devils be even better this season with the addition of Gs Kyrie Irving and Seth Curry?

It's certainly possible. Duke could struggle to adjust to life without Jon Scheyer early in the season, but Irving and Curry eventually should more than make up for his absence in the backcourt. We're not as convinced Duke will be as dominant on the boards as they were during their run to the national title. Duke will perform at least as well in the regular season as it did last season, but that doesn't necessarily mean the Blue Devils will make the same type of run in March.

Midnight Madness is on right now. Catch it on ESPN360.
 

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Vitale's top 40:

1. Duke: With Kyle Singler, Nolan Smith and the Plum lee brothers returning -- plus an eligible Seth Curry and diaper dandy Kyrie Irving -- Coach K clearly has the team to beat.

2. Michigan State: Izzo made a great decision to return to East Lansing. He has the talent to challenge for the championship with Kalin Lucas and Durrell Summers leading the Spartans.

3. Purdue: With a healthy Robbie Hummel rejoining JaJuan Johnson and E'Twaun Moore, Matt Painter's club will be in the hunt, too.

4. Ohio State: Imagine how good they'd be if Evan Turner had returned. Thad Matta has one of the top recruiting classes in America to go with David Lighty, Jon Diebler and William Buford.

5. Villanova: Jay Wright doesn't have Scottie Reynolds returning, but he still has lots of talent at his disposal. Corey Fisher and Corey Stokes provide veteran leadership.

6. Syracuse: The Orange lost Wes Johnson to the NBA, but Hall of Famer Jim Boeheim has a solid nucleus and several newcomers to keep an eye on.

7. Florida: Billy Donovan's club will challenge Kentucky for supremacy in the SEC. Kenny Boynton should have a sensational season in Gator Country.

8. Kansas State: The return of Jacob Pullen will keep Frank Martin very happy. The Wildcats will be the team to beat in the Big 12.

9. North Carolina: Roy Williams and the Tar Heels will bounce back from last season's roller-coaster ride. Remember the name Harrison Barnes. He may be the premier freshman in America.

10. Pittsburgh: Jamie Dixon has done a super job at Pittsburgh, and he has a veteran club returning to show for it, with guard Ashton Gibbs leading the way.

11. Kentucky: John Calipari won't rebuild; he will simply reload. Brandon Knight is the latest diaper dandy to have an immediate impact on a Calipari-led program, but the uncertain status of incoming Enes Kanter led to a Wildcat drop.

12. Tennessee: Bruce Pearl welcomes diaper dandy Tobias Harris, who should have an instant impact.

13. Butler: Last year was not a fluke. Brad Stevens has another national championship contender, led by Matt Howard and Shelvin Mack. If Gordon Hayward had come back, this would have been a top-5 team.

14. Gonzaga: Mark Few has one of the best sophomores in America, Elias Harris. The Zags will be heard from again this season.

15. Washington: Lorenzo Romar's squad came on strong last season. Quincy Pondexter is gone, but Isaiah Thomas & Co. will make noise out West.

16. Texas: Rick Barnes will rebuild quickly thanks to another solid recruiting class. This one is led by guard Cory Joseph and forward Tristan Thompson.

17. Illinois: Demetri McCamey's decision to return to Champaign made Bruce Weber's team worthy of top-20 status.

18. Memphis: Josh Pastner has a top-5 recruiting class, according to ESPN's gurus. Will Barton and Joe Jackson should see lots of playing time right away.

19. Georgetown: Even without Greg Monroe, the Hoyas have the experience to compete in the Big East. Austin Freeman and Chris Wright form a dynamic backcourt.

20. Baylor: LaceDarius Dunn is currently suspended, which is why I dropped the Bears down.

21. Missouri: Coach Mike Anderson said no to Oregon, and the fans in Columbia have to be thrilled. This team plays tenacious defense and will make some noise come tournament time.

22. San Diego State: Steve Fisher has done a great job running the Aztecs. San Diego State should be the team to beat in the competitive Mountain West.

23. Virginia Tech: Seth Greenberg was disappointed when his team was left out of the Big Dance last season. With Malcolm Delaney coming back, the Hokies won't have that problem in 2010.

24. BYU: Jimmer Fredette is a legit candidate for All-Rolls-Royce status. His decision to pull out of the NBA draft has the Cougars in the Top 25.

25. Kansas: Cole Aldrich and Sherron Collins are gone, but the Morris twins return and Bill Self welcomes Josh Selby, a newcomer with lots of potential. Selby is currently hurt and his status is also in question pending an investigation of his eligibility.

26. Temple: Lavoy Allen and Juan Fernandez will provide a 1-2 punch for Fran Dunphy's club. The Owls should be dancing again.

27. Wisconsin: Bo Ryan is one of the most unsung coaches in America. He will get the most out of his talent once again, though the Big Ten is loaded.

28. Georgia: Remember the name Trey Thompkins. He should get the national exposure he deserves as a potential double-double man. Mark Fox has already made a difference down in Athens.

29. Richmond: This is a sleeper team, aided by another player who withdrew from the draft, Kevin Anderson. The A-10 is underrated, baby!

30. Louisville: Samardo Samuels left early, but Rick Pitino has a lot of young weapons. Watch for bigger things from Terrence Jennings and Rakeem Buckles.

31. UNLV: Lon Kruger has a veteran club returning. Tre'Von Willis can flat-out play.

32. West Virginia: Devin Ebanks and Da'Sean Butler are gone, but Bob Huggins will find a way to get it done. Kevin Jones has the potential to shine this season.

33. Minnesota: Never count out Tubby Smith's club. The return of Blake Hoffarber is a key for the Golden Gophers.

34. Florida State: Leonard Hamilton's team might have been in the Top 25 if Solomon Alabi had come back. But Chris Singleton & Co. will still be a factor in the ACC.

35. New Mexico: Steve Alford enjoyed a great 2009-10 campaign. His Lobos will contend in the Mountain West again.

36. UTEP: Tim Floyd is back on the college basketball sidelines, and he will be happy he returned.

37. Xavier: Even without Jordan Crawford, Chris Mack has a number of weapons ready to challenge in the A-10.

38. Maryland: Even without Greivis Vasquez, Gary Williams -- a future Hall of Famer in my book -- will have the Terps hungry.

39. St. John's: Steve Lavin left ESPN for a return to the sidelines. He has an experienced club, led by D.J. Kennedy. The Red Storm will be on the rise.

40. Miami (Fla.): Remember guard Durand Scott -- he was special when I saw him at the ACC tournament. Frank Haith's club will surprise some people.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/dickvitale/news/story?id=5677115
 
Illinois needs to bring it every game. They were easily top 25 when they wanted to be last year, and everybody's back.

If they actually play hard, I think I will be a very happy fan this year.

(preseason rankings are always waaaaaaay off)
 

suaveric

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Elfforkusu said:
Illinois needs to bring it every game. They were easily top 25 when they wanted to be last year, and everybody's back.

If they actually play hard, I think I will be a very happy fan this year.

(preseason rankings are always waaaaaaay off)

One ESPN guy picked the Illini to win the Big Ten. I think if things broke the right way that's possible, but not probable.

They way things are looking right now, I could see two Number 1s come out of the Big Ten.
 

Proelite

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At Countdown to craziness, the blue team consisting of the 3 freshmen (Irving, Thornton, Hairston), just creamed the white team consisting of Singler, Smith, etc, 36 to 29.

FYI.
 
suaveric said:
One ESPN guy picked the Illini to win the Big Ten. I think if things broke the right way that's possible, but not probable.

They way things are looking right now, I could see two Number 1s come out of the Big Ten.
Way too early to tell. We've seen crazy jumps under Weber before (as the seniors/great players take the motivational role from Bruce, because he's legitimately awful as a motivator) -- from a S16 team in '04 to the Harlem Globetrotters in '05.

Depending on how good the freshmen actually are, and more importantly on how the seniors play, the Illini could win the Big Ten. And that's not to devalue Man's Game State or Purdue.
 

suaveric

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Elfforkusu said:
Way too early to tell. We've seen crazy jumps under Weber before (as the seniors/great players take the motivational role from Bruce, because he's legitimately awful as a motivator) -- from a S16 team in '04 to the Harlem Globetrotters in '05.

Depending on how good the freshmen actually are, and more importantly on how the seniors play, the Illini could win the Big Ten. And that's not to devalue Man's Game State or Purdue.

I'm an Illini fan, so I would love to see the same jump from 04 to 05 for this team, but I can't/won't let myself buy it this early. I expected a lot more from last year's team and they really disappointed me. But I do agree that on paper this team could be very special this year.
 

truly101

I got grudge sucked!
Just back from the Countdown to Craziness blue and white exhibition. Kyrie Irving can juke anyone out of their shoes, but I'm not sure he's better than Wall.

Outside of my team, my other pick to go all the way is Purdue. I really would not be surprised if they put it all together this year.
 

DJ_Tet

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Came for the OP, stayed for the Back to Back
to Back?
possibilities.

Hello Kyrie.

Gonna be tough to replace Jon's intangibles but no one is going to feel sorry for the Blue Devils :lol
 

mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
JCX said:
mre, I am disappoint.

Gotta have something to follow during the basketball season. Bama and NCSU are teh suck, and hating on UNC can only take a man so far.

Besides, it's not as if basketball is a real sport.
 

Jasconius

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Mountain West is looking really competitive this year! Looking forward to a lot of good conference games. Hope the Lobos have a good season to make up for how horrible our football team is (woo dead last!)
 

JCX

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mre said:
Gotta have something to follow during the basketball season. Bama and NCSU are teh suck, and hating on UNC can only take a man so far.

Besides, it's not as if basketball is a real sport.
Why don't you get honest and play in a national championship tournament ?
 

truly101

I got grudge sucked!
mre said:
Gotta have something to follow during the basketball season. Bama and NCSU are teh suck, and hating on UNC can only take a man so far.

Besides, it's not as if basketball is a real sport.

NC State may have something this year with Tracy Smith, Ryan Harrow and CJ Leslie. This will be a big year for kool aid man. If he doesn't make the tourney, I expect the wolpfack to go after Del Negro.
 

dabig2

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Outdoor Miner said:
Illini fan checking in.

This is going to be a MASSIVE year. Enjoy the ride fellow Illinois fans! :D

Do or die year for Bruce Weber. But yeah, excited for the season to begin.

And sucks about Hummel. Just heard it.
 
I thought Purdue was the most overrated team entering this year as I rate ILL OSU and MSU higher but to lose the heart of the team and arguably their best player before 1 game has been played is brutal. To the same injury no less. I wonder if they tried rushing him back too soon.
 

GreekWolf

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After our Calipari-less sabbatical, it's sweet to finally be back in the action. I have no idea what Memphis will do this season, but it ought to be fun.

Hey, we'll be better than Loserville, and that's good enough for me! You hear that Silva? :D
 

NewLib

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Cubsfan23 said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol Kentucky #11?? only reason they'll make the tournament is the weak SEC

Kentucky isnt going to be as good as last year, but they will be good still. If Kanter gets declared eligible, they are a Top 10 team as Kanter is looking to be better than even Cousins was last year. If not (probably more likely), they are still a Top 25 team. They still have two players who will be lottery picks (Knight and Jones) and Miller, Liggins, and Lamb are all pretty good.

Next year though, Kentucky is going to be the best team in the country especially if they only lose Knight and Jones.

Edit: I actually started doing the first post for this thread but got distracted. It was going to be a glorious run down of every team under NCAA Investigation right now (Tennessee, UConn, Baylor, Oklahoma, and Oregon) and the correlation between having a good Women's Basketball program and cheating in Men's Basketball.
 

Talon

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Jamie Dixon, I'll give you one last chance this year.

Holy fuck: Robbie Hummel just tore his ACL. Out for the season. Sucks for Purdue fans.
 

NewLib

Banned
I feel bad for Hummel but while going Indiana for grad school hasnt taught me to love the Hoosiers, they have taught me to fucking hate the Boilermakers.

Seriously, West Lafayette is a shit hole.
 
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