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[Hollywood Hitman]

When did the world become so full of mentally ill dudes?

Was it a slow build or did a patch release in the last few years that I missed?

I miss the old days, man. We really did peak in the 90's — honestly.

NeoGAF is a true G in the internet space. It's the only game forum I can truly express my views without a ban. Look at this shit show Reddit has become…and any other forum.

I think a patch released.

My take is as time went on the ease of getting a phone to every shit bag on the planet and in turn the internet, opened the doors to people having little support corners for every teeny tiny little bitchfest imaginable so they all feel invincible with their opinions even the most outlandish ones. I think it's built just up all these pockets of losers that go around online spouting off endless delusional takes, they left reality behind because all their little cohorts say they're right in doing so.

 

[ToneyJ]

There's no way OP actually believes what he/she/they/them said. This site pretty much lets you say whatever you want and you don't get banned here for difference of opinion. And lol at thinking people here want to see themselves represented in videogames.

 

[Yamisan]

get fucked bitch

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

get fucked bitch

 

[Neolombax]

There's no way OP actually believes what he/she/they/them said. This site pretty much lets you say whatever you want and you don't get banned here for difference of opinion. And lol at thinking people here want to see themselves represented in videogames.

I think folks are misunderstanding where he's coming from. True, you can get away with a lot of things being said here, but people here are the anti purple forum, they will dogpile on you like no tomorrow. There's just no room for discussion sometimes, it can be exhausting. What's funny is that this is a gaming forum, but most times its just social commentary.

 

[FalconPunch]

Its only working because of the complaining and awareness.. shutting the fuck up was done before, it didnt work, so now we speak.. deal with it or just ignore the threads.

You over estimate the public discourse on such things. I know lots of people who play games, never heard them talk like the people here on gaf. More importantly, it's not working because of complaining. It's working because people aren't buying the games.

If dont bother you, buy the game, have fun on the OT and go be happy... you dont need to engage in threads about "wokeness".... complaining about people complaining is the exact same thing

It's not at all. It's all but poisoned a large majority of the discourse here on gaf. People can't even fully articulate what they don't like about a game and just call everything woke. It's become extremely tiresome.

 

[FalconPunch]

Meh, this woke push has been ongoing for over 10 years in all of media and as a result we have been getting shit game, shit movies, shit shows and kids being brainwashed.

if you don't like the pushback, you can just ignore the thread.

Exactly, 10 years is 10 years of serious fatigue. It's just tiresome.... Woke this, woke that, it's pretty much lost it's meaning. At the start, it was focused towards the agenda being pushed through different forums of media. Now anything that does not conform to a agreed upon set of values is considered woke. The term has all but lost it's meaning.

Even the initial discourse about Saros had people charging like a angered bull over what turned out to be a lie. There is no sense of nuance at all to discussions.

 

[Memati187]

 

[Bernardougf]

You over estimate the public discourse on such things. I know lots of people who play games, never heard them talk like the people here on gaf. More importantly, it's not working because of complaining. It's working because people aren't buying the games.

It's not at all. It's all but poisoned a large majority of the discourse here on gaf. People can't even fully articulate what they don't like about a game and just call everything woke. It's become extremely tiresome.

Well its tiresome because you probably dont mind, for the people that do tiresome is seeing this shit shoved one way or another in most western games.

Devs go above and beyond to put progressive themes/storys on their games, and somehow consumers cant complain about it or even knowledge the existence of this progressive (woke) themes.

Sorry this narrative will never not be bizarre to me.

And this meme will never get old while people like you exists.

 

[KimDongHwan]

Exactly, 10 years is 10 years of serious fatigue. It's just tiresome.... Woke this, woke that, it's pretty much lost it's meaning. At the start, it was focused towards the agenda being pushed through different forums of media. Now anything that does not conform to a agreed upon set of values is considered woke. The term has all but lost it's meaning.

Even the initial discourse about Saros had people charging like a angered bull over what turned out to be a lie. There is no sense of nuance at all to discussions.

The main thing still is there, it has not left. I would agree if companies somehow already dialed down the forced inclusion and all of that stuff but we are still getting the games originated 5-6 years ago so you still get it and you will still get complaints for it.

Of course some stuff will be more on the extreme side of the woke radar but that's also an artifact of years and years of forced stuff so now it's hard to remove the knee-jerk reaction

 

[vindafarna]

NeoGaf is all right

 

[Starbuck2907]

The wokest ones here started their own forum. You need to visit there for a while to reset your standards for what's "woke".

 

[Bernardougf]

The wokest ones here started their own forum. You need to visit there for a while to reset your standards for what's "woke".

Unfortunately one thing the wokes succeeded was normalizing a bunch of tropes and themes in the heads of a lot of people to a point that now we have this supposedly blur on whats woke and whats not.

In the heads of some for something to be woke now probably the MC has to be trans shooting pride flags from his gun wearing a BLM shirt while chucking for his lesbian wife having a date with her also trans friend.

Subtle woke/progressive elements in the story are expected now.. therefore normal.. therefore not woke. So quit complaining.

 

[WellSheet]

Exactly, 10 years is 10 years of serious fatigue. It's just tiresome.... Woke this, woke that, it's pretty much lost it's meaning. At the start, it was focused towards the agenda being pushed through different forums of media. Now anything that does not conform to a agreed upon set of values is considered woke. The term has all but lost it's meaning.

Even the initial discourse about Saros had people charging like an angered bull over what turned out to be a lie. There is no sense of nuance at all to discussions.

I get your point - and just like the people who vocalize their frustration with the "woke" movement, you're obviously entitled to vocalize your frustrations for/against.

The word has definitely become bloated with what exactly it entails, sure, but you must surely understand that - just because you feel a certain way (or don't) regarding this word, people's actions regarding complaining about etc…

Where else on the internet is there a "safe" place for talking about this? Reddit? No. Other gaming forums? No. X/Twitter maybe?

Neogaf has an allowed an opportunity for people who are NOT okay with these ideals being pushed into mostly everything to have a soapbox.

90% of the mainstream places on the web aren't comfortable allowing dissent regarding the liberal orthodoxy- if you want a neutral place where people aren't venting about this, that might be better suited for you.

Also, RE: Saros -I think there's stuff being posted in that thread just a little bit ago confirming that the "woke" stuff is true plot wise; the initial statements on the story were overblown in how it was presented, but they do seem to be true - just not as blatant- but I don't think it's a lie from the stuff posted.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I bet yours is purple

What's wrong with purple?

 

[saintjules]

Wait, we're allowed to say faggot now? I got an account warning from a mod for saying it awhile back, and I'm actually gay, lmao.

Found OP's X page

 

[Js562]

Funny stuff. Keep this shit going

 

[KanKamAndNob]

Unfortunately one thing the wokes succeeded was normalizing a bunch of tropes and themes in the heads of a lot of people to a point that now we have this supposedly blur on whats woke and whats not.

In the heads of some for something to be woke now probably the MC has to be trans shooting pride flags from his gun wearing a BLM shirt while chucking for his lesbian wife having a date with her also trans friend.

Subtle woke/progressive elements in the story are expected now.. therefore normal.. therefore not woke. So quit complaining.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, the gaslighting was somewhat effective before 2020 or so. Now it's gotten to the point where the "neutral" parties can't act stupid like we haven't had games fly very close to unironically having meme worthy, parody characters in games like what you're describing.

Even if the next mainline Horizon game had a tranny NPC wearing a BLM shirt dating Aloy and some other weirdo who calls themselves Xer/Xir in a polygamous relationship, you'd still have brainless motherfuckers doing the retarded "HoW's ThAt WoKe" shtick. For fuck's sake, they were doing that when that fucking walrus of a character was introuduced for Hunters Gathering.

I was just arguing with someone a couple of days ago about how ugly the Star Wars: Outlaws chick was and he got all pissy because I mentioned how we haven't had an unapologetically sexy Western female character in literally over a decade. They've all been safe horny or fucking hideous.

Anyone saying "woke has been bastardized", "bOtH sIdeS", or whatever is just acting in bad faith at this point.

 

[KanKamAndNob]

When did the world become so full of mentally ill dudes?

Was it a slow build or did a patch release in the last few years that I missed?

I miss the old days, man. We really did peak in the 90's — honestly.

NeoGAF is a true G in the internet space. It's the only game forum I can truly express my views without a ban. Look at this shit show Reddit has become…and any other forum.

I got banned from Reddit after a month and a half lol. The funny part is that I got banned when I only participated in KotakuInAction, literally the only non-progressive infested gaming subreddit I've ever seen on there.

 

[FalconPunch]

Well its tiresome because you probably dont mind, for the people that do tiresome is seeing this shit shoved one way or another in most western games.

I don't recall specifying my likes and dislikes so how you arrived at that conclusion is beyond me. I just understand that not everything is made for me. As a result, i let those games find their audience. Those complaining are just huffing and puffing hot air. It's only when those complaints are backed by actions that things change.

Devs go above and beyond to put progressive themes/storys on their games, and somehow consumers cant complain about it or even knowledge the existence of this progressive (woke) themes.

The so called woke themes you're referring to have been in games long before this movement occurred. The only difference was that it didn't become the identity of the games themselves but integrated itself seamlessly.

 

[TheSHEEEP]

How do you think we go back to pre-culture war discourse ? By pretending it's not happening and just quietly consoom products?

How about not consuming product you don't like?

Why do you think products fail, making producers change course?
Because of protests? Fuck no. Protests, boycotts, etc don't do shit 99% of the time - other than making the protesters feel very virtuous about themselves.
Nah, things change when the customers go elsewhere.
And you won't make more customers go elsewhere by virtue signaling how anti-woke you are or how woke this and that is in your mind.

9/10 cases, a "woke" product does not fail because of its political content and protests about it - but simply because people didn't show up to buy.
They were not interested. The reasons they were not interested are varied and change case by case, but "too political" will usually only be a small margin of that.

Most gamers don't care about that shit, only the terminally online do.
Everyone else just wants to play good games they are interested in and talk about them with their peers WITHOUT having everything dragged down by political discussions.

Which is also why these kinds of discussions are so grating.
And why places like this - without proper moderation - will devolve into toxic cesspools while most people just stay away and only the terminally online remain.

I know a lot people here think neogaf is so much better than resetera because moderation does not enforce viewpoints.
And I do agree. At least in theory, but what happens in practice is this:
1) resetera (and many other communities like it) is a toxic echo chamber - by design, because everyone outside of that gets banned.
2) neogaf is slowly turning into a toxic echo chamber of another type - because this type of discussion creeps into everything, unmoderated. And since the far-left ones already have their own echo chambers, the well-intentioned "free speech" approach only serves to attract the other end(s). Which in turn drives people in-between the ends of the horseshoes away, because they just want to get off the ride.

This is by far not the only online community I've seen this happen to. Plenty of places that started out with a well-intentioned free speech approach have by now turned into mostly echo chambers of one political group or another.
Not by design, but simply by who showed up to make use of that free speech.
Because the smaller, but way more vocal group of culture warriors bit by bit, over time drive the (initial) majority of people who just want to talk games away by being annoying af. I don't want to have these types of discussions, I don't even want to see them, I'll just be gone in a year or so as I suspect this place will have devolved even further by then - my gold sub is already cancelled, it's just still valid for a bunch of months. I probably won't have an amusing meltdown, either, so I apologize for the lack of entertainment in advance.

The "allow all opinions" approach just does not work to provide balance in a world where one "group" of opinions already has plenty of communities exclusively to themselves.
Honestly, the only solution I personally see to all this is to downright ban culture war brainrot as a topic.
Or at the VERY LEAST moderate to move it into its own sub-section. But I've seen moderation inaction here for just straight-up vile ad hominem posts without any other point to them. I do not believe moderation here has an interest in what I'm suggesting.

Not woke or anti woke people don't have any power over game studios, unlike woke types (that have their representations in them).

They can only react when this nonsense is pushed in vast majority of western games.

I agree to an extent, but very obviously this is changing as the industry is clearly shrinking right now and only those will eventually remain that actually produce something people actually want to play.
Since people do not enjoy being preached to in their entertainment, the issue is solving itself over time.
Protests as a reaction did NOT lead to this. Only the fact that people didn't show up to purchase products that they were not interested in.

 

[deeptech]

A highly relevant and interesting video about this whole mess.

 

[Bernardougf]

I don't recall specifying my likes and dislikes so how you arrived at that conclusion is beyond me. I just understand that not everything is made for me. As a result, i let those games find their audience. Those complaining are just huffing and puffing hot air. It's only when those complaints are backed by actions that things change.

The so called woke themes you're referring to have been in games long before this movement occurred. The only difference was that it didn't become the identity of the games themselves but integrated itself seamlessly.

Complaining is an action just as much as not buying the product, Complaining is part of life and we do it for several things, games shouldn't be an exception just because someone likes that specific product, and my conclusion is based in your words and thoughts in this thread, so until I see a different posture I'll stick with it.

Yes some of the same themes was always present in movies and games and media before, it wasnt shoe horned or forced or preached (like you said) and it wasn't also in every single piece of media launched, so it wasnt woke, it was just natural creative choices, this themes were highjacked unfortunately and ruined by this modern woke creators and Ill continue to call then out and you can continue calling me out for calling them out. Its ok is a free forum thank god.

 

[Bernardougf]

How about not consuming product you don't like?

Why do you think products fail, making producers change course?
Because of protests? Fuck no. Protests, boycotts, etc don't do shit 99% of the time - other than making the protesters feel very virtuous about themselves.
Nah, things change when the customers go elsewhere.
And you won't make more customers go elsewhere by virtue signaling how anti-woke you are or how woke this and that is in your mind.

9/10 cases, a "woke" product does not fail because of its political content and protests about it - but simply because people didn't show up to buy.
They were not interested. The reasons they were not interested are varied and change case by case, but "too political" will usually only be a small margin of that.

Most gamers don't care about that shit, only the terminally online do.
Everyone else just wants to play good games they are interested in and talk about them with their peers WITHOUT having everything dragged down by political discussions.

Which is also why these kinds of discussions are so grating.
And why places like this - without proper moderation - will devolve into toxic cesspools while most people just stay away and only the terminally online remain.

I know a lot people here think neogaf is so much better than resetera because moderation does not enforce viewpoints.
And I do agree. At least in theory, but what happens in practice is this:
1) resetera (and many other communities like it) is a toxic echo chamber - by design, because everyone outside of that gets banned.
2) neogaf is slowly turning into a toxic echo chamber of another type - because this type of discussion creeps into everything, unmoderated. And since the far-left ones already have their own echo chambers, the well-intentioned "free speech" approach only serves to attract the other end(s). Which in turn drives people in-between the ends of the horseshoes away, because they just want to get off the ride.

This is by far not the only online community I've seen this happen to. Plenty of places that started out with a well-intentioned free speech approach have by now turned into mostly echo chambers of one political group or another.
Not by design, but simply by who showed up to make use of that free speech.
Because the smaller, but way more vocal group of culture warriors bit by bit, over time drive the (initial) majority of people who just want to talk games away by being annoying af. I don't want to have these types of discussions, I don't even want to see them, I'll just be gone in a year or so as I suspect this place will have devolved even further by then - my gold sub is already cancelled, it's just still valid for a bunch of months. I probably won't have an amusing meltdown, either, so I apologize for the lack of entertainment in advance.

The "allow all opinions" approach just does not work to provide balance in a world where one "group" of opinions already has plenty of communities exclusively to themselves.
Honestly, the only solution I personally see to all this is to downright ban culture war brainrot as a topic.
Or at the VERY LEAST moderate to move it into its own sub-section. But I've seen moderation inaction here for just straight-up vile ad hominem posts without any other point to them. I do not believe moderation here has an interest in what I'm suggesting.


I agree to an extent, but very obviously this is changing as the industry is clearly shrinking right now and only those will eventually remain that actually produce something people actually want to play.
Since people do not enjoy being preached to in their entertainment, the issue is solving itself over time.
Protests as a reaction did NOT lead to this. Only the fact that people didn't show up to purchase products that they were not interested in.

Complaining and protests raise awareness and contribute to increasing the push back against certain things, this "movement" is not restricted to neogaf or definitely wouldn't work, but thats why is working because is spread to mainstream, its amazing to me this "keep quiet, dont complain, do your thing" mentality, is so baffling to me because Im sure that anyone spilling this ridiculous idea has complained heavily about something in their lifes, but somehow this subject shouldn't be allowed the same courtesy.

In the end you people dont realize you are doing the same thing, you are huffing and puffing about anti-woke.. and thats ok.. complaining is part of life and freedom.

 

[Loope]

Well its tiresome because you probably dont mind, for the people that do tiresome is seeing this shit shoved one way or another in most western games.

Devs go above and beyond to put progressive themes/storys on their games, and somehow consumers cant complain about it or even knowledge the existence of this progressive (woke) themes.

Sorry this narrative will never not be bizarre to me.

And this meme will never get old while people like you exists.

Asking questions or questioning a dev decision is not the same shit at all as screaming woke at every single thing that doesn't fit your narrative. In that aspect he is right, not about the forum in general but many people here are acting like snowflakes that can't see a female protagonist with blue hair without loosing their shit.

 

[Bernardougf]

Asking questions or questioning a dev decision is not the same shit at all as screaming woke at every single thing that doesn't fit your narrative. In that aspect he is right, not about the forum in general but many people here are acting like snowflakes that can't see a female protagonist with blue hair without loosing their shit.

Just because those things fit your narrative... dosent mean others cant disagree with you and vent their opinions.... your narrative is as valid as anyone's else.if you dont think its woke good for you, you dont posses the hold on the meaning of the word though.

 

[Loope]

Just because those things fit your narrative... dosent mean others cant disagree with you and vent their opinions.... your narrative is as valid as anyone's else.if you dont think its woke good for you, you dont posses the hold on the meaning of the word though.

That's just it, i don't have a narrative. I don't get worked up about either way and i still can point something out without looking like a bitch throwing a tantrum.

 

[Bernardougf]

That's just it, i don't have a narrative. I don't get worked up about either way and i still can point something out without looking like a bitch throwing a tantrum.

You are looking like a bitch throwing a tantrum right now.

 

[Loope]

You are looking like a bitch throwing a tantrum right now.

Err not really, but ok little man. You win this one brave antiwoke.

 

[Bernardougf]

Err not really, but ok little man. You win this one brave antiwoke.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Loope]

Thanks for proving my point.

What is your point? I'm not throwing a tantrum, i gave my opinion, you got worked up about it, which is in line with someone like you, then try to pin it on me as loosing my temper and whining. So nobody can point out anything other than what you think must be pointed out so sternly on every post about a game here.

 

[Bernardougf]

What is your point? I'm not throwing a tantrum, i gave my opinion, you got worked up about it, which is in line with someone like you, then try to pin it on me as loosing my temper and whining. So nobody can point out anything other than what you think must be pointed out so sternly on every post about a game here.

Again you are proving my point, no you really weren't throwing a tantrum or being a bitch, just like people voicing their opinions werent, just because you dont agree with them dosent make a tantrum or them a bitch. You are asking for something you are not giving to others. Pure hypocrisy my friend, your way of things and opinions are not better so you should respect others as much as you want to be respected.

 

[RafterXL]

When did the world become so full of mentally ill dudes?

Was it a slow build or did a patch release in the last few years that I missed?

I miss the old days, man. We really did peak in the 90's — honestly.

NeoGAF is a true G in the internet space. It's the only game forum I can truly express my views without a ban. Look at this shit show Reddit has become…and any other forum.

It was a convergence of things. First off it was the concerted effort to push this agenda in academia that basically programmed young people to hate everything about western society, especially men, which is why so many men have been effeminate so that they appear "safe" to be around. Then you have the #Metoo overcorrection and the HRT push which made being a whore a positive, a mother a negative, and again, all men evil and all women special girl bosses. Next was the same push in entertainment that allowed these people to infect and influence damn near every aspect of society, when every Hollywood actress has a trans kid it's not just a coincidence. Finally, because of technology, the dregs of our society that used to be shunned and ridiculed are now able to easily find other dregs and form repugnant communities that now have a voice, a very vocal and harmful voice. Everything from cutting yourself to showing your asshole, to wanting to fuck kids, to scat fetishes, etc. have communities of people that are a search engine.

And, yes, every other site bans this discussion because they are trying to control the narrative of what people see and hear. If you block out every other opinion than "the narrative" you control people like cattle, which is exactly what they want.

 

[Toots]

Im coming well after the fight to say OP is right in his diagnosis but wrong in his treatment.
Just use the ignore button if you aren't thick skinned enough to swallow the supreme gentlemen posts about their numerous imaginary romantic conquests, or the incels posting AI pictures of whatever woman character with 10 added bra size telling you that if she's not at least double d she has a man's figure. They will grow up of their edgelord phase eventually.

 

[Shmunter]

I'm literally shaking right now

 

[dragonyeuw]

Well said. The major difference between the purple place and GAF is freedom of speech. We have it here and it largely doesn't exist over there.

Just look at the OP of this thread, he only got banned because he requested it. On the purple place you can get banned if any one mod doesn't like something you say. Doesn't matter if they agree with 99% of everything else you say, it just takes one thing for the mods to "prune" you from there in order to reinforce the echo chamber and keep people's feelings "safe". It's not healthy.

I think many people here don't realize how good GAF has it.

I remember getting banned for 'victim-blaming( or was it victim-shaming, they make shit up) for taking issue to a female survivor of a mass shooting saying 'thank God he spared my life'. Which prompted me to say 'how fortunate for her that God spared her life and not the others who died.' Some months earlier I was actually in a bar that had an incident where 4 people were shot dead and I was about 10 feet away. It took me weeks to get over it as a 'survivor', but would never say something 'oh thank GOD he choose to keep me alive but the 4 people who died, sucks for them I guess.....'

Anyways, banned by some snowflake without word or warning. And they all hide behind their little perches anonymously so you never know who's sniping you.

 

[Radical_3d]

Some months earlier I was actually in a bar that had an incident where 4 people were shot dead and I was about 10 feet away.

Sometimes I forget that civilization is a privilege barely conducted in Western Europe and nowhere else.

 

[AllOuttaBubbleGum]

The "allow all opinions" approach just does not work to provide balance in a world where one "group" of opinions already has plenty of communities exclusively to themselves.
Honestly, the only solution I personally see to all this is to downright ban culture war brainrot as a topic.

 

[dragonyeuw]

Sometimes I forget that civilization is a privilege barely conducted in Western Europe and nowhere else.

All I heard was this loud POP POP and at first it sounded like fireworks, but after a few seconds I realized what was happening and next thing I know tables were getting turned over and people were literally scrambling around for their lives. I basically dropped to the floor and scurried into the back kitchen as that was closer than either exit point. Come to find out it was a target hit, so the shooters basically got their targets then ran off.

Would never wish that experience on anyone.

 

[notseqi]

I'm literally shaking right now

hello literally shaking i'm notseqi

 

[Diseased Yak]

I don't visit GAF for a day due to a friend's funeral and look what I miss....

 

[amigastar]

If you want big clicks on your thread or comments post something about non-woke or woke.

 

[AJUMP23]

The OP post on the crash out is doing real reaction numbers.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

The people that try and claim moral superiority on others for calling out the ever-devolving "progressive" ideologies that has infested every facet of media and entertainment, are the same people who either pushed for it or said nothing as it ruined everything over the years.
Don't let some ideologically captured sheep try and emotionally blackmail you because you dare to discuss what merits a good game these days - it's a discussion forum.

Industries banked on it, in some cases were incentivized to push it - and that has come to an end. We are now witnessing the fallout. Studios who championed identity politics as their guiding principal over making great games and art are now shuttering in droves and they have the audacity to blame the people they shit on for not buying their slop.

Turns out the people who want all their representation jammed into whatever the fuck you're making - ain't the ones buying, never were, and just want to see existing beloved IPs ruined.

It really has been incredible watching a media industry ruin all its existing good-will & credibility by alienating their loyal fanbases & consumers, turning them from a guarantee day one purchase to a "wait and see".
They made their bed and can lie in it.

 

[Odinnii]

How about not consuming product you don't like?

Why do you think products fail, making producers change course?
Because of protests? Fuck no. Protests, boycotts, etc don't do shit 99% of the time - other than making the protesters feel very virtuous about themselves.
Nah, things change when the customers go elsewhere.
And you won't make more customers go elsewhere by virtue signaling how anti-woke you are or how woke this and that is in your mind.

9/10 cases, a "woke" product does not fail because of its political content and protests about it - but simply because people didn't show up to buy.
They were not interested. The reasons they were not interested are varied and change case by case, but "too political" will usually only be a small margin of that.

Most gamers don't care about that shit, only the terminally online do.
Everyone else just wants to play good games they are interested in and talk about them with their peers WITHOUT having everything dragged down by political discussions.

I can't tell if you are being disingenuous or naive but your take completely ignores so many issues that leads to this discourse.

The gaming media, outside influences, activist dvelopers etc etc. As long as there people pushing for woke crap, there will be poeple pushing against it.

It's also ignores that player feedback has always been part of game development.
Know why the new Fable now has a custom MC? Because enough people called the old one an ugly bitch.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

The gaming media, outside influences, activist dvelopers etc etc. As long as there people pushing for woke crap, there will be poeple pushing against it.

This isn't going to work.

Its easy to push against Saros, then celebrate its failure. Was not gonna sell a lot anyways.

But then, another game comes with much more heavy handed narrative stuff, and sells 10 million in a week.

What message is being sent?

 

[nush]

The OP post on the crash out is doing real reaction numbers.

How to boost your reaction score with this one little trick. (Mods hate it).

 

[AJUMP23]

How to boost your reaction score with this one little trick. (Mods hate it).

REACTION FACE

 

[Interfectum]

I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board. You guys think you're "anti-woke," but you're actually the most easily triggered, identity-obsessed snowflakes I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal safespace for professional victims.

You claim to hate "identity politics," yet 90% of the posts here are you guys obsessing over the identity of digital characters. You're doing "Representation Matters" in reverse. You're so fragile that if a character doesn't look exactly like your specific "identity" (angry, 40-year-old dude), you have a collective mental breakdown. That is the definition of Woke.

Every day it's the same thing: "The industry is out to get us! The developers hate us! The haircuts are a conspiracy!" You've adopted the ultimate victimhood narrative. You're literally crying over the "systemic oppression" of gamers because a character has blue hair. It's performative outrage, and it's embarrassing.

You've turned GAF into an echo chamber where you can protect each other from the "scary" real world. You can't handle a different opinion, you can't handle a realistic face model, and you certainly can't handle a protagonist who isn't a generic action figure. You've created a "Woke Safespace" for people who are scared of the 21st century.

You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be offended by.

• Same-sex couple in a cutscene? TRIGGERED. * Woman has a jawline? TRIGGERED. * Non-white person in a fantasy game? LITERAL SHAKING.

You aren't "based." You're just a bunch of sensitive Karens who want to speak to the manager of Sony because a protagonist's pants are too baggy. You're more obsessed with "diversity" than the people you complain about.

Enjoy your woke little clubhouse of victimhood.

 

[evanft]

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