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Sad part is on some level he's right about how as a collective this board is constantly complaining over every little thing and it's hard to have any meaningful discussions about games when everything is grinded down to:

"Avowed is woke trash, Saros is woke trash, Marathon is woke trash, developer X is trash, look what this guy said on twitter isnt he trash?"

The amount of negativity here on a daily basis makes it incredibly difficult to have any sort of meaningful conversation about games - which used to be the primary reason for a forum like this.

 

[PeteBull]

The board was more woke when tlou fans were forced to swallow Druckmanns woke garbage, this thread seems like six years too late?

Bro, read into what the banned op is saying, its feminist liberal mumbo jumbo where he gives words wrong definitions to spin the narrative, he doesnt accuse gaf of being woke but he is angry that posters can call out wokeness of games(in this case soros) and are allowed to do so/arent punished, like on reddit or on rainbow forum.

Its same way when feminists call based males incels now, not coz incel's actual meaning(involountary celibate) but them not simping to women anymore( they will call u gay too for the same reason, even tho being "gay" is supposed to be praised/celebrated on the left

Its known tactic of the left, they do it all the time, even with such a basic/normal word like "woman"

Hell im polish(not american with polish roots, but proper polish, born in 82 in communist poland) and i wondered in the past why world doesnt call germany durning ww2 germany but "nazis", here in poland we always called them germany, or nazi germany, while around the world ppl called germany under hitler- nazis- then later leftists mob started to call conservatives nazis too, simply to muddy the watters.

Its all in their ideology, their tactic is to be as vague as possible, i will give u example- woman tells about her ex/past relationship " i was in abusive toxic relationship" and now suddenly most ppl assume she got physically attacked by her previous man, and it could mean not only she wasnt the victim, she actually was agressor and the toxic one, and the guy "abused her financially" aka wasnt ok with spending tens of k usd on some expensive bags or other useless shit she demanded from him

When talking to those ppl we cant use whiteknighting benefit of the doubt aproach anymore, we gotta be vigilant and on our toes coz thats the game now, rules of endgament are to deceive others as much as possible, not to be honorable and straight to the point anymore.

Imagine the banned op used different title- something like- neogaf isnt woke trash- then it would be 0 drama, coz every1 knows we arent that, but instead he tries to confuse ppl with false accusation(which can be easily debunked when we read rest of his post and dig deep into that).

 

[winjer]

I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board. You guys think you're "anti-woke," but you're actually the most easily triggered, identity-obsessed snowflakes I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal safespace for professional victims.

You claim to hate "identity politics," yet 90% of the posts here are you guys obsessing over the identity of digital characters. You're doing "Representation Matters" in reverse. You're so fragile that if a character doesn't look exactly like your specific "identity" (angry, 40-year-old dude), you have a collective mental breakdown. That is the definition of Woke.

Every day it's the same thing: "The industry is out to get us! The developers hate us! The haircuts are a conspiracy!" You've adopted the ultimate victimhood narrative. You're literally crying over the "systemic oppression" of gamers because a character has blue hair. It's performative outrage, and it's embarrassing.

You've turned GAF into an echo chamber where you can protect each other from the "scary" real world. You can't handle a different opinion, you can't handle a realistic face model, and you certainly can't handle a protagonist who isn't a generic action figure. You've created a "Woke Safespace" for people who are scared of the 21st century.

You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be offended by.

• Same-sex couple in a cutscene? TRIGGERED. * Woman has a jawline? TRIGGERED. * Non-white person in a fantasy game? LITERAL SHAKING.

You aren't "based." You're just a bunch of sensitive Karens who want to speak to the manager of Sony because a protagonist's pants are too baggy. You're more obsessed with "diversity" than the people you complain about.

Enjoy your woke little clubhouse of victimhood.

Consider that "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction".
So if a group of people start pushing propaganda, in this case "woke ideologies", then the rest of society will push back.
You can't expect for people to get hit, constantly with that propaganda and do nothing.
Normal people pushing back does not mean they automatically become "woke". This is not a catch22 situation. And your argument is completely flawed, to the point of stupidity.
But the funny thing, is the irony of you having a complete public meltdown, because normal people pushed back against you and your woke mentality.

 

[CrustyBritches]

I just looked at the first page of the Saros OT and not a single comment trashing the game or calling it woke. And us Marathong CCU watchers have stayed out of the OT, so they have their safe space.

 

[vodka-bull]

Yesterday I saw like 3 topics with "woke" or "wokism" in the title. And I'd agree, some people here are obsessed and content with nothing more than being anti woke. Their whole identity could be featured on deidetected.com as heroic controbutors to the cause.

But I just laugh it off. Yeah it's GAF, it is what it is, either you can deal with it or you're free to go. There's currently not many other online forums around where you can get News, opinions from others and discussions around gaming. Resetera certainly ain't a good alternative, because leftists are even more identified with their politics than right wingers.
Neither is reddit. I got multiple accounts baned because I didn't fit their opinion lol. One even got perma banned from reddit themaelves with ip ban and such, so I can't even create new accounts anymore. Not that I'd like to, but just to state how insane reddit is.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Why is Neogaf banning people with Marathon avatars ?
CCU gaffers have gone too far this time

 

[SaiyanRaoh]

Wow, so the bitch committed account suicide and ran literally because of Saros and how most people here disagreed with the way the story panned out.

Holy shit dude.

 

[uncreativename]

The amount of negativity here on a daily basis makes it incredibly difficult to have any sort of meaningful conversation about games - which used to be the primary reason for a forum like this.

Idunno. Of course there are a lot of people talking about whether a game is woke because it's unfortunately a big issue in this industry atm, but I think it's an exaggeration to say that it's killing other discussion. I mean, if that were the case it'd be bad, obviously, because being negative all the time is unhealthy. But that's not the case imo. For instance, this kind of discussion doesn't happen in the OT threads, and there's fortunately still tons of other threads focused on positivity.

 

[Aressa]

Yesterday I saw like 3 topics with "woke" or "wokism" in the title. And I'd agree, some people here are obsessed and content with nothing more than being anti woke. Their whole identity could be featured on deidetected.com as heroic controbutora to the cause.

It's not "anti-woke" it's just being normal. Refusing an ideology doesn't require a label. It's simply a return to common sense.

 

[PeteBull]

Sad part is on some level he's right about how as a collective this board is constantly complaining over every little thing and it's hard to have any meaningful discussions about games when everything is grinded down to:

"Avowed is woke trash, Saros is woke trash, Marathon is woke trash, developer X is trash, look what this guy said on twitter isnt he trash?"

The amount of negativity here on a daily basis makes it incredibly difficult to have any sort of meaningful conversation about games - which used to be the primary reason for a forum like this.

Its not sad, every game has "haterz" or ppl who dont like it, even gta5 that sold by now 220m copies, all those games that flop dont flop coz of having haterz, they flop coz they have too few supporters.
I remember vividly when souls genre was "hated on" back when it was niche(basically before bloodborne) and u think us souls fanatics gave a damn? We enjoyed ouselfs, voted with our wallets and laughed at the haterz, hence the "git gut" meme.

Gotta take accountability here- if veteran western AAA devstudio decides to cater to "modern audience" aka women, who for the most part dont buy games at launch full price, then they only got themselfs to blame for low or below expectactions financial results, they scratch off majority of core customers from the get go, so obiously their product of questionable quality has fewer potential sales

 

[Aion002]

It's kinda sad to see that any game that doesn't have a female character that most people want to fap to it it's immediately criticized for being woke or something... Like Yotei or Horizon.

Both games have good things and bad things, yet rather than talking about how the games actually are, some rather post memes and other shit, including talking about that purple forum or reddit... It seems quite childish.


Same thing happened with Saros, I personally hate rogue like games and after reading about the story being shit, I thougt that the comments would be about the story on that thread... Yet, many posts were about if the game was woke or not.

But that's not a neogaf only issue, unfortunately this is how many people like to act, it is easier to be angry and call everything you don't like woke or non woke, rather than talking about the issues you have with it.

 

[archangelmorph]

Sad part is on some level he's right about how as a collective this board is constantly complaining over every little thing and it's hard to have any meaningful discussions about games when everything is grinded down to:

"Avowed is woke trash, Saros is woke trash, Marathon is woke trash, developer X is trash, look what this guy said on twitter isnt he trash?"

The amount of negativity here on a daily basis makes it incredibly difficult to have any sort of meaningful conversation about games - which used to be the primary reason for a forum like this.

You only have to look at the first page and count how many threads that have headlines focused on stoking identity politics.

NeoGAF is a cesspit of Russian bot farms, shithead kids, paranoid schizophrenics who see woke boogeyman in anything and everything, games enthusiasts and inconsequential casuals; in that order of prevalence, posting frequency and participation.

I still love it though..

 

[Odinnii]

To be fair, it is a bit unprecedented that, for some reason, a word is being treated like a painting to be interpreted, rather than just a word with an agreed upon definition, like every other word.

Your post would technically be yet another interpretation.

I disagree. While "Woke" is generally used as an umbrella term for a group of progressive theories, so you can call 2 different games woke for different reasons, I dont think it's that open to interperation, people generally get what someone means when they refer to a game as woke.

For example if someone says game A is woke, I'm not going to worry about buggy controls or a bad framerate. It's either something got censored, or the game has poltical/moral lecturing or some de-sexualized ugly females etc etc .

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board. You guys think you're "anti-woke," but you're actually the most easily triggered, identity-obsessed snowflakes I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal safespace for professional victims.

You claim to hate "identity politics," yet 90% of the posts here are you guys obsessing over the identity of digital characters. You're doing "Representation Matters" in reverse. You're so fragile that if a character doesn't look exactly like your specific "identity" (angry, 40-year-old dude), you have a collective mental breakdown. That is the definition of Woke.

Every day it's the same thing: "The industry is out to get us! The developers hate us! The haircuts are a conspiracy!" You've adopted the ultimate victimhood narrative. You're literally crying over the "systemic oppression" of gamers because a character has blue hair. It's performative outrage, and it's embarrassing.

You've turned GAF into an echo chamber where you can protect each other from the "scary" real world. You can't handle a different opinion, you can't handle a realistic face model, and you certainly can't handle a protagonist who isn't a generic action figure. You've created a "Woke Safespace" for people who are scared of the 21st century.

You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be offended by.

• Same-sex couple in a cutscene? TRIGGERED. * Woman has a jawline? TRIGGERED. * Non-white person in a fantasy game? LITERAL SHAKING.

You aren't "based." You're just a bunch of sensitive Karens who want to speak to the manager of Sony because a protagonist's pants are too baggy. You're more obsessed with "diversity" than the people you complain about.

Enjoy your woke little clubhouse of victimhood.

Go get em, Chief

 

[BloodFree]

Consider that "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction".
So if a group of people start pushing propaganda, in this case "woke ideologies", then the rest of society will push back.
You can't expect for people to get hit, constantly with that propaganda and do nothing.
Normal people pushing back does not mean they automatically become "woke". This is not a catch22 situation. And your argument is completely flawed, to the point of stupidity.
But the funny thing, is the irony of you having a complete public meltdown, because normal people pushed back against you and your woke mentality.

Well, shit, someone is actually fucking intelligent around these parts. Kudos my man.

 

[uncreativename]

I disagree. While "Woke" is generally used as an umbrella term for a group of progressive theories, so you can call 2 different games woke for different reasons, I dont think it's that open to interperation, people generally get what someone means when they refer to a game as woke.

For example if someone says game A is woke, I'm not going to worry about buggy controls or a bad framerate. It's either something got censored, or the game has poltical/moral lecturing or some de-sexualized ugly females etc etc .

Often but definitely not always. For instance, I saw some people calling Marathon and Highguard woke,, which still doesn't really make any sense to me. A game can be cynical without being woke.

 

[Holammer]

Is this related tot he Saros thread? I did not even look at it (yet).

 

[Aressa]

Its not sad, every game has "haterz" or ppl who dont like it, even gta5 that sold by now 220m copies, all those games that flop dont flop coz of having haterz, they flop coz they have too few supporters.
I remember vividly when souls genre was "hated on" back when it was niche(basically before bloodborne) and u think us souls fanatics gave a damn? We enjoyed ouselfs, voted with our wallets and laughed at the haterz, hence the "git gut" meme.

Gotta take accountability here- if veteran western AAA devstudio decides to cater to "modern audience" aka women, who for the most part dont buy games at launch full price, then they only got themselfs to blame for low or below expectactions financial results, they scratch off majority of core customers from the get go, so obiously their product of questionable quality has fewer potential sales

The "modern audience" doesn't exist. Games don't succeed because of forced agendas they succeed IN SPITE of them.

 

[Mr Moose]

OP got cucked by a lesbian and had to keep reliving it daily because of some threads on here. RIP, OP.

 

[vodka-bull]

It's not "anti-woke" it's just being normal. Refusing an ideology doesn't require a label. It's simply a return to common sense.

No offense, but most people, me included, are not normal, and stating that your standards are the new "normal" is kind of narcissistic. But it is what it is, idgaf about it, 80% of my posts are just me trolling around and trying to get random people on the internet to laugh. I've been here since 21 years, saw the evolvement of GAF from where it was being a little nerd forum to now being the last fortress of free speech, if I'd care that much about some people being triggered by blue hair I can safely say it's just a matter of time until that'll eventually change as well.

 

[Aressa]

No offense, but most people, me included, are not normal, and stating that your standards are the new "normal" is kind of narcissistic. But it is what it is, idgaf about it, 80% of my posts are just me trolling around and trying to get random people on the internet to laugh.

My standards? I'm just talking basic biology and common sense.

 

[PeteBull]

The "modern audience" doesn't exist. Games don't succeed because of forced agendas they succeed IN SPITE of them.

Thats my take too, for example BD3 had some(or u could even argue many) woke elements but it was of such a high quality and offered such a quantity of content that milions of ppl bought/enjoyed the game truthfully.
Every1 has different treshhold that they can tolerate, some1 like me has it set at relatively minimal lvl( A/B bodytype in elden ring or option of henry being gay in kcd2 is fine to me) but some1 who lived his whole life in california and was exposed/indoctrinated by that shit his whole life can take much more "punishment" and for example wont even bat an eye durning abby's sex scene( which was censored to hell and back in japanese version for example- sony themselfs knew very well that amount of cuckholdery wont stand with japanese gamers

 

[HRK69]

Damn. I missed the party

 

[vodka-bull]

My standards? I'm just talking basic biology and common sense.

Well that's cool that you are talking about biology, but you quoted me, and I wasn't. And I don't think this topic is about biology either, but you do you my friend

 

[Insane Metal]

Wait, we're allowed to say faggot now? I got an account warning from a mod for saying it awhile back, and I'm actually gay, lmao.

Damn, you faggot

Jk

 

[consoul]

Well that was quite the crash out.

The real woke was the nonsense we made up along the way.

 

[The Cockatrice]

All this for an overpriced roguelike that isnt selling and will prolly kill the company after its second flop? Eh. There are worse things to hate gaf about.

 

[calico]

"Avowed is woke trash, Saros is woke trash, Marathon is woke trash, developer X is trash, look what this guy said on twitter isnt he trash?"

The amount of negativity here on a daily basis makes it incredibly difficult to have any sort of meaningful conversation about games - which used to be the primary reason for a forum like this.

There are OTs available for all three of those games, if you only consider positive commentary to be 'meaningful'. I believe you have no posts in any of them?

 

[PlayStaytion]

It's YouTube, he's right cause the internet thinks Asmongold's opinions about games are right. Asmongold is controlling the community cause he's serving individual needs.

 

[Prodyhig]

I don't know if it's because of my English (which I think isn't bad), I'm Spanish.

But isn't "woke" the complete opposite of what the OP is saying?

From what I read, the OP is complaining that we're anti-woke on NeoGAF.

The definition of woke is:

"It's a term originating in the African American community (1930s-40s) that means 'awake' or alert to racial and social injustice. Today, it defines progressive people or movements focused on social justice (racism, feminism, LGBTQ+, environmentalism)."

 

[zokie]

money talks , my friend gives his good money to any developer who gives him the fanservice he loves

Edit : look at the banned OP's avatar and you know what kind of games he is into

 

[The_Mike]

Bro, read into what the banned op is saying, its feminist liberal mumbo jumbo where he gives words wrong definitions to spin the narrative, he doesnt accuse gaf of being woke but he is angry that posters can call out wokeness of games(in this case soros) and are allowed to do so/arent punished, like on reddit or on rainbow forum.

Its same way when feminists call based males incels now, not coz incel's actual meaning(involountary celibate) but them not simping to women anymore( they will call u gay too for the same reason, even tho being "gay" is supposed to be praised/celebrated on the left

Its known tactic of the left, they do it all the time, even with such a basic/normal word like "woman"

Hell im polish(not american with polish roots, but proper polish, born in 82 in communist poland) and i wondered in the past why world doesnt call germany durning ww2 germany but "nazis", here in poland we always called them germany, or nazi germany, while around the world ppl called germany under hitler- nazis- then later leftists mob started to call conservatives nazis too, simply to muddy the watters.

Its all in their ideology, their tactic is to be as vague as possible, i will give u example- woman tells about her ex/past relationship " i was in abusive toxic relationship" and now suddenly most ppl assume she got physically attacked by her previous man, and it could mean not only she wasnt the victim, she actually was agressor and the toxic one, and the guy "abused her financially" aka wasnt ok with spending tens of k usd on some expensive bags or other useless shit she demanded from him

When talking to those ppl we cant use whiteknighting benefit of the doubt aproach anymore, we gotta be vigilant and on our toes coz thats the game now, rules of endgament are to deceive others as much as possible, not to be honorable and straight to the point anymore.

Imagine the banned op used different title- something like- neogaf isnt woke trash- then it would be 0 drama, coz every1 knows we arent that, but instead he tries to confuse ppl with false accusation(which can be easily debunked when we read rest of his post and dig deep into that).

You got me.

I stopped reading at "I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board".

Read it as he was tired about how woke the forum was, which was what he made it sound like.

 

[calico]

I don't know if it's because of my English (which I think isn't bad), I'm Spanish.

But isn't "woke" the complete opposite of what the OP is saying?

From what I read, the OP is complaining that we're anti-woke on NeoGAF.

The definition of woke is:

"It's a term originating in the African American community (1930s-40s) that means 'awake' or alert to racial and social injustice. Today, it defines progressive people or movements focused on social justice (racism, feminism, LGBTQ+, environmentalism)."

That's a pretty woke definition of woke.

 

[Calverz]

 

[Gonzito]

Wait, we're allowed to say faggot now? I got an account warning from a mod for saying it awhile back, and I'm actually gay, lmao.

 

[Prodyhig]

That's a pretty woke definition of woke.

But why does he say "We're woke trash"?

What he's really complaining about is that we're the complete opposite.

I don't understand :/

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Damn, we have been played, folks. This morning I was reflecting on my hetero male privileges.

What now?

 

[IAmRei]

dang, I'm late to the party

 

[Odinnii]

Often but definitely not always. For instance, I saw some people calling Marathon and Highguard woke,, which still doesn't really make any sense to me. A game can be cynical without being woke.

I don't know or care enough to learn about highguard , but I can speak about Marathon.

Bungie announced the game with no proximity chat because they were dedicated to "creating a safe space for players" also their game presentations still have pronouns under every developer's name add to that some of the character designs and it becomes easy to see where the woke reputation comes from.

 

[DEAD ORIGINAL]

Imagine getting this upset over a game forum.

 

[Myths]

I don't know if it's because of my English (which I think isn't bad), I'm Spanish.

But isn't "woke" the complete opposite of what the OP is saying?

From what I read, the OP is complaining that we're anti-woke on NeoGAF.

The definition of woke is:

"It's a term originating in the African American community (1930s-40s) that means 'awake' or alert to racial and social injustice. Today, it defines progressive people or movements focused on social justice (racism, feminism, LGBTQ+, environmentalism)."

It's identity agnostic regardless of what the second part states. So anyone complaining on the grounds of identity or group dynamics could conceivably be considered as such.

 

[HAYA8U5A]

 

[delishcaek]

Don't get offended by people who don't like to play as a cuck or failed man and feel like an agenda is being inserted again.

it's just games, bro.

NeoGaf has, for over 20+ years, never treated different opinions like evil/bannable offenses.

Have you forgotten what Gaf was like some 10 years ago?

 

[Mozza]

If you think this is woke don't go on the Nintendo Life comment section lol...

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This place ain't perfect and we've had more people from the "woke" left join and are free to be here but don't get things twisted - on places like resetera or blue sky, you couldn't joke and broach subjects like here.

I'll give you some examples.

I'm a Christian conservative. Never changed. I've been this way since the Reagan era. I don't believe in being gay or approve of most of what the left is pushing with their LGTBBQ woke/cancel culture crap. That doesn't mean I can't coexist and not hate someone with a passion to the point of never listening or outright banning them because they tactfully share their differences of opinion.

I'm 100% of the instances on several social media sites and forums that are basically modern left socialists, you can do the same thing I said here but will likely be warned or banned. Meanwhile I can't even state that I'm conservative and the same respect I'm trying to show doesn't reciprocate.

And we have so many people in education, government, gaming, and everywhere that are pushing this upfront or subliminally in media to the kids.

As a migrant who came here because of what this country offers, I respect the hell out this place more than the privelaged who are born here thinking richness is a right of passage.

That's the difference that this country was founded on. Merit and hard work. Everywhere has history of stupid stuff and this country is no different. This country just pulled up it's sleeves and worked to make it the power that it is now.

The same people who enjoy being able to protest are the ones who want the system in place that allows them to act a fool to be toppled and be replaced with basically communism.

Go live in Cuba or North Korea and see how good you have it.

The TC reads like someone who hasn't stepped back and looked at this big picture. And a lot of those leftist (by US standards) think that everyone else is drinking the cool aid. Shame.

 

[Luipadre]

He's not wrong. Just yesterday when I logged on, two of the most popular or recent threads at time were about Saros and Kojima being woke..... Like its to the point where there should just be a megathread where anyone can post their gripes about anything being woke, instead of spamming the forum with countless threads about something most people dont care enough to think about.

Those and toxic CCU threads are the most popular topics on this site nowadays, go figure. Sad to see what this forum is turning into

 

[I wasn't selling any]

Sad part is on some level he's right about how as a collective this board is constantly complaining over every little thing and it's hard to have any meaningful discussions about games when everything is grinded down to:

"Avowed is woke trash, Saros is woke trash, Marathon is woke trash, developer X is trash, look what this guy said on twitter isnt he trash?"

The amount of negativity here on a daily basis makes it incredibly difficult to have any sort of meaningful conversation about games - which used to be the primary reason for a forum like this.

Maybe the solution to that would be for game developers to stop releasing woke garbage. Because for every game you've mentioned, the statement is true. They are all woke trash, to the point where the death of the game studios behind those games should be celebrated more than the second coming of Jesus.

 

[Luipadre]

Sad part is on some level he's right about how as a collective this board is constantly complaining over every little thing and it's hard to have any meaningful discussions about games when everything is grinded down to:

"Avowed is woke trash, Saros is woke trash, Marathon is woke trash, developer X is trash, look what this guy said on twitter isnt he trash?"

The amount of negativity here on a daily basis makes it incredibly difficult to have any sort of meaningful conversation about games - which used to be the primary reason for a forum like this.

 

[EviLore]

Those and toxic CCU threads are the most popular topic on this site, go figure. Sad what this forum is turning into

Sales figure threads have always been among the most popular on GAF, for the past 25+ years. It's one of the founding pillars of discussion here, since we're industry focused.

 

[kpopSuperstar]