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NeoGAF is woke trash

Bernardougf said:
He didnt give a calm and structured opinion, or even attacked some random user... he attacked the forum and its administration with a incoherent and bad faith "argument", it was clearly an account suicide. And than he doubled down using another user account. (Who didnt get banned btw)

Everything has limits, blatantly attacking any place you want to be part of is not usually acceptable
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Turns out they requested the ban, but I would say that your critique of the post isn't how I'd interpret it. I don't think it was an attack on the forum or the administration (though it was an attack on sone of the culture), I didn't think it was incoherent and didn't think it was a bad faith comment.

I think Neogaf is a bit of a monoculture at times, and there are regular pile-ons of things which as op laid out are based on a character in a game's appearance, something that a developer said 5 years ago or what a company that makes it has decided to do in terms of employee policy etc. Etc. Among some people here there's no will to contribute to a discussion beyond dropping an emoji or a gif (one of a boringly small repeated pool). These things, imo really make the place less good than it could be.
 
Another retarded evil dumb resetera woke waste of human trash that completely miss the mark and is just pissed people can actually call out the disgusting shits in game here without getting banned like you want. Because you are not just into those nasty twisted shits but you also don't want anyone talking bad about them.

Guess what you can actually like whatever you like here including anything woke and even defend them without getting banned or in trouble. Unlike the other shitty place you champion that could ban you for defending other ideas or even just having a different opinion than the hivemind there. And for that alone this place is infinity better than the other place.
 
8BiTw0LF said:
I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board. You guys think you're "anti-woke," but you're actually the most easily triggered, identity-obsessed snowflakes I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal safespace for professional victims.

You claim to hate "identity politics," yet 90% of the posts here are you guys obsessing over the identity of digital characters. You're doing "Representation Matters" in reverse. You're so fragile that if a character doesn't look exactly like your specific "identity" (angry, 40-year-old dude), you have a collective mental breakdown. That is the definition of Woke.

Every day it's the same thing: "The industry is out to get us! The developers hate us! The haircuts are a conspiracy!" You've adopted the ultimate victimhood narrative. You're literally crying over the "systemic oppression" of gamers because a character has blue hair. It's performative outrage, and it's embarrassing.

You've turned GAF into an echo chamber where you can protect each other from the "scary" real world. You can't handle a different opinion, you can't handle a realistic face model, and you certainly can't handle a protagonist who isn't a generic action figure. You've created a "Woke Safespace" for people who are scared of the 21st century.

You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be offended by.


  • Same-sex couple in a cutscene? TRIGGERED. * Woman has a jawline? TRIGGERED. * Non-white person in a fantasy game? LITERAL SHAKING.

You aren't "based." You're just a bunch of sensitive Karens who want to speak to the manager of Sony because a protagonist's pants are too baggy. You're more obsessed with "diversity" than the people you complain about.

Enjoy your woke little clubhouse of victimhood.
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You're going to have those types...oh wait NVM guy is cooked.
 
Hawk The Slayer said:
Another retarded evil dumb resetera woke waste of human trash that completely miss the mark and is just pissed people can actually call out the disgusting shits in game here without getting banned like you want. Because you are not just into those nasty twisted shits but you also don't want anyone talking bad about them.

Guess what you can actually like whatever you like here including anything woke and even defend them without getting banned or in trouble. Unlike the other shitty place you champion that could ban you for defending other ideas or even just having a different opinion than the hivemind there. And for that alone this place is infinity better than the other place.
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You know, this well reasoned response has really changed how I think about things.
 
Risible said:
I think there's a pretty good amount of them TBH.

To me, GAF and ResetEra are two sides of a coin, but it's a weighted coin. I'm a center-leftie. Reset is just too far left, too authoritarian in it's mod style . GAF is right with a bunch of lefties to balance it out, and unlike Reset the lefties can call out retarded bullshit without worrying about a ban.

If I see a post talking about whatever woke boogieman has crawled up someone's ass I can rest assured that a few posts in someone will have called them out and that call-out post will have a ton of likes.

There's a reason I still frequent GAF and very rarely go to Reset.

Note: this is all just, like, my opinion, man, maybe other see it differently and I'm delusional, who knows.
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I consider myself center-right but really it takes Veilguard level shit to get me triggered about "woke" stuff. Personally think it is overblown more often than not, but I try not to argue about it much these days since folks who feel strongly about it have every right to feel that way and complain about it. I do think it would be better if the vast majority of game devs just left their political views out of games because most of them simply do not have the skill required to create a message that isn't heavy handed, preachy or just flat-out virtue signaling. I'm not going to actively avoid most games simply because of that, but I think it makes for an inferior game overall.
 
Hollywood Hitman said:
You're literally tho basically tryin to dictate to someone your way of thinking.

I have spent fucking hundreds of thousands in gaming, if I want to talk about a game and it's ugly characters for whatever reason I feel compelled to I absolutely will.

Too much stress on myself? Dude who the fuck are you to make a claim like that.. Like that is so fucking retarded to even say how about YOU just pass over when someone like me is talking about said game.

Your whole stance is lame dude, because you for some reason can't handle hearing negative opinions that differ from yours.. Everything you've said is litrelly that, you want to absolutely control people's thinking to simply align with with yours.
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My god. How do I explain this in basic level.

The freedom is yours to do whatever the do you want. Buy or no buy, the choice is yours.

I don't give a shit about negative or positive opinion. Because I don't care about social media shit.

All I am saying is, I am tired of people crying. That is it. Yet, you are here forming your own imaginary thing to be mad about.

At the end of the day, this is social media. I don't to waste my energy to argue over pointless things.

Hopefully we end this now. I am already tired of this conversation and people making their own version.
 
Schitts Creek Wtf GIF by CBC

(too woke for GAF?)
 
8BiTw0LF said:
I'm out. I can't deal with the constant, high-level Wokism that has infected this board. You guys think you're "anti-woke," but you're actually the most easily triggered, identity-obsessed snowflakes I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal safespace for professional victims.

You claim to hate "identity politics," yet 90% of the posts here are you guys obsessing over the identity of digital characters. You're doing "Representation Matters" in reverse. You're so fragile that if a character doesn't look exactly like your specific "identity" (angry, 40-year-old dude), you have a collective mental breakdown. That is the definition of Woke.

Every day it's the same thing: "The industry is out to get us! The developers hate us! The haircuts are a conspiracy!" You've adopted the ultimate victimhood narrative. You're literally crying over the "systemic oppression" of gamers because a character has blue hair. It's performative outrage, and it's embarrassing.

You've turned GAF into an echo chamber where you can protect each other from the "scary" real world. You can't handle a different opinion, you can't handle a realistic face model, and you certainly can't handle a protagonist who isn't a generic action figure. You've created a "Woke Safespace" for people who are scared of the 21st century.

You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be offended by.


  • Same-sex couple in a cutscene? TRIGGERED. * Woman has a jawline? TRIGGERED. * Non-white person in a fantasy game? LITERAL SHAKING.

You aren't "based." You're just a bunch of sensitive Karens who want to speak to the manager of Sony because a protagonist's pants are too baggy. You're more obsessed with "diversity" than the people you complain about.

Enjoy your woke little clubhouse of victimhood.
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Hear you
 
All I know is I've been seeing way less of those "woke this and that" discussions after I put like four members on my ignore list. Maybe the OP should've done the same? Just a thought.
 
Would have been better if he posted a thread about why he felt this way so we could all chip in and offer our takes rather than chucking his toys out of the pram.

Shame I quite liked the majority of his postings.
 
If you request a ban, can you later request to be unbanned?

I always think it is weird that people request bans. Are you not able to stay away on your own?
 
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RoboFu said:
To be fair to gaf more people were upset that other people were picking on a Sony game than any anti woke deal. Op probably fell under that camp.
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The funny thing is most of the people in that thread were annoyed Saros' story was based on a stupid story premise. not that it was "woke". That's what makes this crash out funny. I don't care if Saro's is "woke", I just think the idea to have a story like that in a game like that is stupid as hell.

Make your rogue lite, charge $40 for it and find success. Don't waste time on dumb shit that balloons the budget. Vampire survivor ain't some epic allegory for interracial vampire orgies.
 
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_oni_ said:
In a way I agree with OP. I don't think he belongs to ResetEra.

Some people just wish these communities were less politically polarised. No matter if it's left wing or right wing, extremism sucks.

At least Gaf doesn't (afaik?) ban talking about some games/topics the way Era does. That's far too extreme.
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Its popular idea that "the left" is the tolerant side, its really not and the banned op had enough of being "tolerant" of other ppl's opinion about games,he couldnt stand it and went on a tantrum demanding cenzorship, just like u got at retardera :D
 
Risible said:
I think there's a pretty good amount of them TBH.

To me, GAF and ResetEra are two sides of a coin, but it's a weighted coin. I'm a center-leftie. Reset is just too far left, too authoritarian in it's mod style . GAF is right with a bunch of lefties to balance it out, and unlike Reset the lefties can call out retarded bullshit without worrying about a ban.

If I see a post talking about whatever woke boogieman has crawled up someone's ass I can rest assured that a few posts in someone will have called them out and that call-out post will have a ton of likes.

There's a reason I still frequent GAF and very rarely go to Reset.

Note: this is all just, like, my opinion, man, maybe other see it differently and I'm delusional, who knows.
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The difference is- u as a "central leftie" are fine posting and voicing ur opinions here, can diseagree with ppl and argue for or against any game u want, myself being christian conservative(but more of european one, i still got different opinions to american conservatives sometimes, sometimes more to the left, sometimes to the right) would be insta banned for even 1 mild post voicing my opinions- i know it coz i have read resetara forums for years and only stopped around time of cp2077 launch, never needed to make an account coz it would be pointless, thats why us here and them there are not 2 sides of same coin, coz if given opportunity their side silences the other side right away, while "our side" has no qualms with the discourse :)
 
I watched the story scenes on YouTube. I've had story endings spoil my enjoyment of games before (Plague Tale Requiem, Diosfield, Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn, more) so I figured I'd look to see if putting in the time in Saros with retries, strategies, and study would feel empty, unrewarding, and wasted by the end credits with a story that feels defeating. And yes, I believe the story is a major let down that I wouldn't have wanted to waste my time with, so Saros is a no go for me, even at a discount. Simply put
"the world is all in Arjun's mind and is a twisted means of him coming to terms of how the love of his life walked out on him, and that he committed a murder in the real world. You play 'hero' in the game, conquer your demon, but it's all just to make Arjun open his eyes and see he's a crook slowly realizing he's cooked, the love of his life is done with him, and he can't go back and change things. No retries there, buddy."
 
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I tried really hard to consider what OP was trying to say. There is a slight nugget of truth in which a handful of posters here do seem to make it their account's mission to start arguments about something they think is "woke", and yes it's ironic they do get triggered in the same way they criticize the "woke left". But it's certainly not 90% of the discussion here, and they went completely off the deep end in their crash out post.

I'm a left leaning moderate myself, and disagree with a lot of things said in those threads (both ideologically and because it's a diversion from why I visit this forum - to talk gaming with other hardcore fans). Thing is - as long as people aren't being hostile bigots I don't think it's right (or worth it) to moderate them. The vast majority of people here are civil and reasonable, and there is a very obvious and easy ignore button you can use if you really don't want to see content by certain users.

Most here just want to talk gaming, and I've yet to find a better place to do so. For all the talk about how GAF and ResetEra are right and left leaning sides of a coin, I can't say I agree. There are more right leaning people on GAF, but that's because the moderation here is so less aggressive and overbearing. It's reminiscent of the older days of the internet. ResetEra had a few good threads and not all users were crazy, but it was pervasive enough that it ruined my experience and chased me away.

I forget the details but I remember getting banned for a few weeks without warning for responding to someone losing their mind over Reagan in CoD: Cold War. The reason was something about "misrepresenting portrayal of a historical figure" because it did not follow whatever narrative they chose to endorse, when I was simply saying he made sense given the time period the game was taking place in. I had witnessed stupid bans before but didn't realize how ridiculous it could be, with no way for me to contest it (and no response when I attempted to get a real reason). My ignore list was already filled and yet the front page and threads were still full of political posts - so that was the final indication that forum wasn't the place for me.


So yeah, long winded way to say GAF and the vast majority of its userbase is nothing close to ResetEra or the way OP is describing. It's not perfect but the way this site is ran and the balance of users is so much better here.
 
LavitzSlambert said:
I tried really hard to consider what OP was trying to say. There is a slight nugget of truth in which a handful of posters here do seem to make it their account's mission to start arguments about something they think is "woke", and yes it's ironic they do get triggered in the same way they criticize the "woke left". But it's certainly not 90% of the discussion here, and they went completely off the deep end in their crash out post.

I'm a left leaning moderate myself, and disagree with a lot of things said in those threads (both ideologically and because it's a diversion from why I visit this forum - to talk gaming with other hardcore fans). Thing is - as long as people aren't being hostile bigots I don't think it's right (or worth it) to moderate them. The vast majority of people here are civil and reasonable, and there is a very obvious and easy ignore button you can use if you really don't want to see content by certain users.

Most here just want to talk gaming, and I've yet to find a better place to do so. For all the talk about how GAF and ResetEra are right and left leaning sides of a coin, I can't say I agree. There are more right leaning people on GAF, but that's because the moderation here is so less aggressive and overbearing. It's reminiscent of the older days of the internet. ResetEra had a few good threads and not all users were crazy, but it was pervasive enough that it ruined my experience and chased me away.

I forget the details but I remember getting banned for a few weeks without warning for responding to someone losing their mind over Reagan in CoD: Cold War. The reason was something about "misrepresenting portrayal of a historical figure" because it did not follow whatever narrative they chose to endorse, when I was simply saying he made sense given the time period the game was taking place in. I had witnessed stupid bans before but didn't realize how ridiculous it could be, with no way for me to contest it (and no response when I attempted to get a real reason). My ignore list was already filled and yet the front page and threads were still full of political posts - so that was the final indication that forum wasn't the place for me.


So yeah, long winded way to say GAF and the vast majority of its userbase is nothing close to ResetEra or the way OP is describing. It's not perfect but the way this site is ran and the balance of users is so much better here.
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It is social media platform. Think of that, and none of this would matter. There is a reason mods made ignore thread button.
sadly people are too parasocial these days.
 
So wait, OP made this thread, then requested a ban, then hopped on their friend's account and made a post implying they didn't request the ban :pie_thinking:? Interesting strategy lol
 
PeteBull said:
Its popular idea that "the left" is the tolerant side, its really not and the banned op had enough of being "tolerant" of other ppl's opinion about games,he couldnt stand it and went on a tantrum demanding cenzorship, just like u got at retardera :D
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Yep those people are always the biggest hypocrites and way worse than the side they are against.

Wouldn't even say Im that "anti woke" either as I have absolutely no problem with plenty of games or movies that have gay characters like Deep Fear, Toxic Avenger, Fight Iczer One, New Vegas, etc etc. Nor have any problem with race as there's plenty of non white characters I like from countless movies and games. I don't personally label things as woke as much as lot of people here unless it's extremely obvious like Relooted, DUSTBORN, Veilguard etc.

But those Resetera psychopaths always twist shits as they don't think like a normal sane human. Most "anti woke" folks which shouldn't even be a word in the first place aren't racist but the purple freaks will do anything they can to label one as racist or nazi or whatever when they're not.

Just like how TC is wrongly labeling this place as the opppsite or reserera when it's far from accurate. Here you can have different views as long as you don't go full hostile. And you can see some Resetera members here already and they ain't even hiding it yet they are still allow to defend their views. In the actual Resetera, forget about defending a different view, you'll be banned the moment they even notice you being different than their hive mind. And what's worse is their hivemind is completely evil, twisted, and insane in the first place.

Both sides of the extreme are obviously not ideal but there's a major difference even in that. The extreme on the right at most would be big "meanies or an asshole" while the extreme on the left are just completely abominable, wrong, evil, insane, and just upside down completely, views that shouldn't exist in the first place.

And the second part is usually even the extreme right will allow others to have their own opinion while the other completely eliminate any that doesn't agree with their sick and twisted abominable views.

And third is even for games and the whole culture war thing which has gone critical for both sides. The so called big "anti woke" side only happened because of the cause and big push of the other side in the first place. As people were comfortably enjoying games in the past and it didn't matter whether they have people of any race or gays/lesbian as most people are in fact not racist nor bigots as much as the crazy side wants people to believe.
 
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