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NeoGAF - Vocal Minority or Important Voice?
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Pinko Marx
Banned
...Eh...Vocal Minority but we can also serve as tastemakers for others. Not as important as a lot of posters think we are or should be, but when something makes waves on GAF, it oftentimes ripples throughout the community as a whole.
A minority of a minority.
That analogy doesn't make sense.
THIS!
I feel like they're porting over the wrong games usually. There are some exceptions though... Sleeping Dogs DE is a good example of the wrong game imho.. IT EVEN CAME TO PC.-_-
Should pool in ideas and pick ones that flow well into the games they make and their ability to make it happen.
Prototype Viktor
Member
Fixed
Gucci Messiah
Banned
GAF has less than 150K registered users. We are a drop in the bucket.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Vocal Minority.
There are lots of times where GAF opinions don't align with the wider world. Example: if GAF enthusiasm was any indication, the Vita would have been a massive success.
There are lots of times where GAF opinions don't align with the wider world. Example: if GAF enthusiasm was any indication, the Vita would have been a massive success.
Pathfinder
Member
Ahh, that puts things into perspective then. I thought we were bigger than that.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Now you're speaking my language!
Interficium
Banned
Admiral Woofington
Member
Chezzymann
Member
In order for us to be 10-15% of the gaming community we'd need to have tens of millions of members, I'd imagine that would make us the most popular discussion forum by far.
That's just selective memory of you guys.
If Nintendo (NCL) actually listened to NeoGAF they'd be releasing their games on iOS and PS4 instead of doing it on their own platforms.
Prevolition
Member
All of GAF agrees on everything.
Any developer should take its target audience into account. That said, developers should always create the game they want to make how they want to make it. Most people online, including GAF (and probably including me), have no clue about actual game development and what makes a good game.
A dedicated community like NeoGAF can offer valuable feedback though, and listening to feedback is always important.
The former. Most gamers don't give a shit about some of the stuff we have meltdowns over. We don't represent the mass market at all.
No, not really. We're only a small part of the very large audience AAA games have. I'd imagine most of GAF has already moved on from CoD, yet it's still selling like hotcakes.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Well if they were listening to people who weren't part of their customer/fanbase then yeah I guess. But the same could apply to any internet site where it devolves into console wars.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Truth hurts.
theprodigy
Member
I never got the feeling that this forum was very representative of the general gaming public, because if it was, Call of Duty would have about as much impact as Battleship the Movie, and cable news stations would have dumbasses on to talk about how Megami Tensei games were corrupting our values.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Vocal Minority.
hotnheavyload
Banned
Vocal Minority.
Kageshinzo
Member
NeoGAF is not as influential as you think.
Spaced Harrier
Member
Filter by Anime avatars?
CurlySaysX
Banned
Vocal minority, 99% of the industry vets don't post here anymore. Still the best progressive lgbt community on the web by a long shot (why I'm still here) but in terms of taste in video games and intelligent debate on them we're not even on the radar anymore.
marthurstewart
Member
"NeoGAF is a nexus of hardcore gamers, enthusiast press, and video game industry developers and publishers."
Not what I'd call a description of the mass market.
Not what I'd call a description of the mass market.
super-famicom
Member
I'm leaning more towards "Vocal Minority."
Vocal minority. I really don't think any major developer puts any real thought into a web forum.
We must be posting in different GAFs. Maybe those GAFs together can form an important voice.
We must be posting in different GAFs. Maybe those GAFs together can form an important voice.
No, they should do what they want to do, stick to the idea and believe in it, if there's one. If devs listened to NeoGAF or similar communities to understand what gamers want, I'm afraid we would be pretty fucked, and same goes for them, because the simple truth is that most do not know what they want.
What they should take into account are feedbacks and topic about "general problems" like the ones we had about minorities or Destiny's DLC mess etc. or even game ideas (e.g. we want F-Zero back!!) but that's all.
Otherwise, I can imagine Bruce Straley reading a random Uncharted topic, call a meeting and say "guys, I think we did it all wrong ಠ_ಠ Maybe we should consider the idea to redo all from scratch ( ._.) "
In my opinion there're enough users to represent a good amount of lines of thought, which is great in some topics. At the same time, though, NeoGAF seems to be allergic to some games/things, which is not good at all in other topics because this side of gamers is a lot louder than the other.
In conclusion, I guess that for a good 75% of time NeoGAF represents a minority.
...wat. The sadness.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
It's significantly more of the former than it is the latter. People on this site are a bit wrapped up in the bubble and forget that. Developers need to listen to the whole of their audience, not the small niche. These games sell into the millions. When it comes to the GTA, Halos, and CODs of the world the tens of millions. Their audiences are not even close to being fully represented on Gaf.
BouncyFrag
Member
I dunno. There's a lot of good stuff on GAF but then we get crap like that the 'Grim Fandango remaster is lazy' thread with mindless drive-by shit posting galore.
hotnheavyload
Banned
It probably was a while ago, before the advent of places like Reddit.
Reddit is usually met with a symphony of groaning on here, but the gaming audience there is massive. Even Gabe posts there!
Pathfinder
Member
If that's real, it makes me weep for our industry.
If that's not real, then it makes me laugh.
It's real.
Pathfinder
Member
Kageshinzo
Member
Frankly, Reddit has done more than NeoGAF will ever hope to do. People here may consider it just a tad bit higher than 4chan or, /v/, or /b/ but Reddit is more than just one stupid subreddit or /gaming. That's why I always chuckle whenever some people say NeoGAF is not a hivemind and then proceed to paint Reddit under one huge brush, usually in the "Lol reddit" color.
Talk about hypocrisy.
Dawnbuster
Member
Publishers and Devs do pay attention to NeoGaf. And if they're targeting the core gamer, they will always check out our opinions.
But most of the game marketing is not directed at the core (outside of some exceptions). A triple-A budgeted title simply cannot survive on the hardcore gamer, it must appeal broader.
That's why PewDiePie is a more valuable quote than IGN, and why live-action trailers keep getting made when the core just wants gameplay. Because for broad campaigns that sell CoD and Assassin's Creed, you need dudes who buy 2-3 games a year and watch the NFL every week.
But most of the game marketing is not directed at the core (outside of some exceptions). A triple-A budgeted title simply cannot survive on the hardcore gamer, it must appeal broader.
That's why PewDiePie is a more valuable quote than IGN, and why live-action trailers keep getting made when the core just wants gameplay. Because for broad campaigns that sell CoD and Assassin's Creed, you need dudes who buy 2-3 games a year and watch the NFL every week.
Finale Fireworker
Member
GAF is much more intelligent and experienced player base than virtually any other gaming community on the web. We are the elite and generally speaking we know a lot more about games, and what makes good games, than other communities.
However, within our own threshold, we still have a passionate and vocal group of naysayers who believe what THEY think is always correct and are too entrenched in their own beliefs to comprehend a dissenting opinion, or in some cases, a dissenting fact.
For example, GAF has a lot of posters who hate on popular and excellent games, like Arkham City, Tomb Raider 2013, and BioShock Infinite. These people, while retaining every right to dislike these games, will assert that these games are terrible and are incapable or unwilling to make the distinction between what they like and what is good.
GAF also has a large user base that doesn't realize Halo 4's campaign is the best in the series and likes to pretend more people care about sprint and ADS than Halo's lore.
You can't listen to just GAF, because GAF has its own weaknesses as a community. This often manifests as the "GAF hivemind".
GAF cannot bridge itself between its demographics, either. Which is why there is a 500 page story vs gameplay thread every other week.
However, within our own threshold, we still have a passionate and vocal group of naysayers who believe what THEY think is always correct and are too entrenched in their own beliefs to comprehend a dissenting opinion, or in some cases, a dissenting fact.
For example, GAF has a lot of posters who hate on popular and excellent games, like Arkham City, Tomb Raider 2013, and BioShock Infinite. These people, while retaining every right to dislike these games, will assert that these games are terrible and are incapable or unwilling to make the distinction between what they like and what is good.
GAF also has a large user base that doesn't realize Halo 4's campaign is the best in the series and likes to pretend more people care about sprint and ADS than Halo's lore.
You can't listen to just GAF, because GAF has its own weaknesses as a community. This often manifests as the "GAF hivemind".
GAF cannot bridge itself between its demographics, either. Which is why there is a 500 page story vs gameplay thread every other week.