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[darkblade77]

Another interesting angle they could have taken with Kaede could have been forcing her to be complicit with the knowledge that the trials are in some way a sham from the beginning. Tsumugi could have completed her attempted murder, then forced the trial to conclude with Shuichi as the victim, and blackmail Kaede with the (fake) knowledge that she was the first blackened to make her the 'hand of the mastermind' for all the following cases. Would put the capability to lie in this game in a very different light, since you'd have to lie a lot more often for very different reasons; since Kaede already knows the premise of fair trials is a lie(but not why), her desire to protect others is free to come in direct conflict with whether she should pursue the truth or not.

And then with ch6 she'll get to find out that not only was she not an actual murderer, but also everyone was effectively as sockpuppeted as she was with the memory lights, and all the tough decisions she presumably would have to make under the premise of working for Tsumugi/Monokuma had zero meaning, because you know, everything is Ultimate Real Fiction!

These are fun. Damn it.

 

[Novel Mike]

Another interesting angle they could have taken with Kaede could have been forcing her to be complicit with the knowledge that the trials are in some way a sham from the beginning. Tsumugi could have completed her attempted murder, then forced the trial to conclude with Shuichi as the victim, and blackmail Kaede with the (fake) knowledge that she was the first blackened to make her the 'hand of the mastermind' for all the following cases. Would put the capability to lie in this game in a very different light, since you'd have to lie a lot more often for very different reasons; since Kaede already knows the premise of fair trials is a lie(but not why), her desire to protect others is free to come in direct conflict with whether she should pursue the truth or not.

And then with ch6 she'll get to find out that not only was she not an actual murderer, but also everyone was effectively as sockpuppeted as she was with the memory lights, and all the tough decisions she presumably would have to make under the premise of working for Tsumugi/Monokuma had zero meaning, because you know, everything is Ultimate Real Fiction!


These are fun. Damn it.

Pretty much everything I've seen people come up for uses of Kaede's character are better then what we actually got. Which is just awful honestly, its like if they had killed of Kirigiri or Chiaki in the first chapter, what a stupid thing to do just to have a twist early on.

 

[Sinh_Magnus]

Eh, I liked it. I don't think it was awful and Suichi ended up being my favourite protagonist so far. It's pretty clear they went for mixed responses and controversy and they got it.

 

[Gradon]

That seems to be the case when you see the memory that Tsumugi showed them of what happens directly after the prologue with Kaede, Shuichi ect realizing they've been accepted and are happy.
They probably signed an agreement that they don't know when or where the killing game might start if they are selected and they essentially signed their life away.

The prologue happened because the monokubs went off script and forgot to give them their talents/costumes

But is that scene even real? Did it even happen? You notice that them being happy about being chosen is completely absent from the prologue. And we know they didn't have any memory tampering before they got their ultimate clothes. So something doesn't seem right, like, at all.

And of course they would instantly associate monokubs with Monokuma, the only problem is that Kaede was trying to ask them something she never got to say as they kept cutting across her and Rantaro was the only one that knew what was going on.

 

[Bowlie]

I agree, the only really divisive part about the ending is really just how bizarre it is. It's an interesting idea thats been done before but its as confusing as it is interesting with several plot holes that just go completely unexplained which wouldn't be so bad if the game wasn't somewhat being setup as the 'final' story if they want it to be.

Shuichi was a lame protagonist, as you said he doesn't really bond with anyone or rally people as a group, the only thing he does is solve cases well which devalues the other members of the group and they end up relying on him, hell thats one of the plot points of Chapter 4 with everyone saying its up to him to really figure everything out without really thinking for themselves. Even the mistakes that are made throughout the cases early in the trials just show how little effort anyone else seems to put into investigating anything, you have to move the debate along by showing some of the most obvious clues which just make everyone else feel more incompetent.

Yeah, there are a lot of things unexplained. I can't find an answer to who Tsumugi really was, or what was the deal with Kokichi's will. The more I think about it, the more I realize how "irrelevant" (I know you needed to go through those first dozens of hours to get to know the cast) is everything that came before it.
I entered the trial thinking I would discover the mastermind of this game and ended up learning about things that were much, much more spectacular than that; suddenly, all the knowledge I had was that everything was a lie, and that the game was free to pull literally any kind of ending for the story.

Most of the times others would participate in the trials were when they would lie, either to instigate a reaction or to achieve a different outcome. They were indeed relying on him a lot and not helping with solving the cases.
As for Shuichi's investigative skills, he wasn't even that ultimate of a detective. A few clues were in front of him (like the rope and the two windows in Ch. 2) and he would take one hour during the trial to put them together.

 

[Grexeno]

The kidnapping scene is odd, but it would get weirder if they actually were kidnapped against their will without wanting to participate in the killing game. That would mean they had their memories altered to make them think they applied, then altered again to turn them into Ultimates. Which definitely makes no sense.

I think the kidnapping was simply Team Danganronpa (in-universe) being fucked up. Once they actually realize they've been chosen for the show, they're pretty hyped.

 

[Jigorath]

I think the biggest issue I had was that I didn't like the cast very much. It felt like the majority of the characters received one or two character traits and repeated them ad nauseum. Like holy hell did I despise Tenko. By the end of the game I didn't feel like I cared about any of them too much. Kokichi was easily the most entertaining but even he felt like the writers were trying to create another Nagito.

This cast just made me miss my Remnants from DR2. Maybe I'll go replay DR2 actually.

 

[vkrili]

The cast are all a lot more like Gundham from DR2. Very "chuuni". There's the little dude with a dark past who killed a whole mafia and has no one that cares for him. There's an assassin. A maid that secretly runs the country. An evil Supreme Leader. A super genius inventor. A dude in a mask that is secretly a mass murderer and wants to bang his dead sister. So on and so forth.

And that's the point, of course. They're muh deviant art OCs. They're literally teenage fantasies (with some slight editing here and there). And whether or not that is an acceptable reason for them to be more "flat" than previous characters, well, ~let your heart decide~

 

[GoldStarz]

The cast are all a lot more like Gundham from DR2. Very "chuuni". There's the little dude with a dark past who killed a whole mafia and has no one that cares for him. There's an assassin. A maid that secretly runs the country. An evil Supreme Leader. A super genius inventor. A dude in a mask that is secretly a mass murderer and wants to bang his dead sister. So on and so forth.

DR1 has a soldier who has literally never sustained a major injury, a guy who has created several sentient AIs, the grandchild of a disgraced world leader who wants to bring back their family's good graced, a world-famous novelist who's split personality is a world-famous serial killer, the world's (second?) greatest MMA fighter, and Junko fucking Enoshima.

DanganRonpa has Always Been Like This.

But is that scene even real? Did it even happen? You notice that them being happy about being chosen is completely absent from the prologue. And we know they didn't have any memory tampering before they got their ultimate clothes. So something doesn't seem right, like, at all.

And of course they would instantly associate monokubs with Monokuma, the only problem is that Kaede was trying to ask them something she never got to say as they kept cutting across her and Rantaro was the only one that knew what was going on.

The kidnapping scene is odd, but it would get weirder if they actually were kidnapped against their will without wanting to participate in the killing game. That would mean they had their memories altered to make them think they applied, then altered again to turn them into Ultimates. Which definitely makes no sense.

I think the kidnapping was simply Team Danganronpa (in-universe) being fucked up. Once they actually realize they've been chosen for the show, they're pretty hyped.

I always took the kidnapping and prologue as happening in-story.

 

[Jigorath]

Danganronpa has always had a ridiculous cast of characters, they're just usually more interesting than this.

 

[Lusankya]

Like holy hell did I despise Tenko.

Wait, what? There are people who don't like Tenko?

Wow, she's like the friendliest character in the whole series. Even to the boys she's way nicer than anyone else.

 

[Loz246789]

Wait, what? There are people who don't like Tenko?

Wow, she's like the friendliest character in the whole series. Even to the boys she's way nicer than anyone else.

Tenko has that whole DEGENERATE MALE thing going on with her, but if you pay attention she's actually pretty nice to Shuichi after Kaede dies. It's really more that she's very gay rather than she actively hates males or anything. I liked her a lot, she was great.

 

[caliph95]

Tenko is just a more extreme Mahiru

 

[Vamphuntr]

I think the biggest issue I had was that I didn't like the cast very much. It felt like the majority of the characters received one or two character traits and repeated them ad nauseum. Like holy hell did I despise Tenko. By the end of the game I didn't feel like I cared about any of them too much. Kokichi was easily the most entertaining but even he felt like the writers were trying to create another Nagito.

This cast just made me miss my Remnants from DR2. Maybe I'll go replay DR2 actually.

Pretty much how I felt with the cast. You are absolutely right about the Kokichi-Nagito stuff and I think it was pretty much done on purpose with all the other repeated plot points for the meta commentary about sequels.

Tenko, Himiko, Miu, Angie and Gonta were the worst ones about repeating the same stuff ad nauseam.

 

[Jigorath]

Wait, what? There are people who don't like Tenko?

Wow, she's like the friendliest character in the whole series. Even to the boys she's way nicer than anyone else.

"Degenerate men! Himiko is so amazing!"

Repeat.

Over and over and over and over again.

 

[caliph95]

"Degenerate men! Himiko is so amazing!"

Repeat.

Over and over and over and over again.

"But what does Atua think"

 

[mrmickfran]

Fucking LOL at my predictions from the demo thread:

Most likely making it to the end
Kaede (duh)
K1-B0
Maki
Kokichi
Rantaro
Kaito

Most likely dying
Kirumi
Miu
Tenko
Shuichi (just to foil people who played DR1)
Gonta
Tennis guy

Most definitely dying
Himiko
Artist
Creepy Anthropologist guy
Tsumugi (Willing to bet that she's going to be a murderer with a batshit crazy side)

 

[Grexeno]

I also wrote Himiko off as standard Chapter 3 double murder bait.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Few things I don't understand about the ending:

1. They exit the tunnel earlier in the game and are deprived of oxygen when they attempt to exit their space station. Lies or not, reality or not, isn't it 100% that they were at least written to be situated on a ruined planet with no oxygen? So then why do I feel this was ignored during the ending arguments, and the 3 survivors are just fine in the epilogue?

2. I don't understand how people in the real world can want to apply to be part of a season of Danganronpa, and then their real world counterparts no longer exist and are instead transplanted into fiction? I thought part of the twist would be that the normal versions of the Ultimate characters would be watching themselves playing the game in the real world.

3. Who/what is Tsumugi? Was she only involved with Danganronpa 53, or was she also part of the other games? I think it's the latter—which ties into her plan of bringing despair to the real world—but I feel like a lot of her origin is confusing.

I was okay with what they were going with once the big twist revealed itself in Chapter 6, but I became less and less fine with it as it just went on, and on, and on. This cast easily trumps DR2's for me, and a big reason for that is that most of them were not overbearing with their schticks or tropes, unlike in DR2. Tenko likes to remind people about "degenerate males" anytime she gets, but she's a cool, measured character despite this, for example.

But the preachiness was just way too long, pointing the finger at the player and yelling at them enough that it just made me want to point back in objection. How did a series with repetitive writing and redundant concepts like this go on for 53 seasons? If our world is supposed to be "filled with peace," then that's laughable. They didn't even have the balls to obfuscate the obligatory sequel hook and "hope" ending they were railing against moments ago.

 

[Aaronrules380]

It's more how this game handles it the irritates me. Believe me I'm glad UDG exist. Its just such a blatant fridging that it really rubs me the wrong way.



Care to name some from this year? Bonus points if it's exclusively a female character with no male option. Not even being sarcastic I would love to know.

Have you heard the good new of Trails in the Sky?

 

[Grexeno]

Few things I don't understand about the ending:

1. They exit the tunnel earlier in the game and are deprived of oxygen when they attempt to exit their space station. Lies or not, reality or not, isn't it 100% that they were at least written to be situated on a ruined planet with no oxygen? So then why do I feel this was ignored during the ending arguments, and the 3 survivors are just fine in the epilogue?

2. I don't understand how people in the real world can want to apply to be part of a season of Danganronpa, and then their real world counterparts no longer exist and are instead transplanted into fiction? I thought part of the twist would be that the normal versions of the Ultimate characters would be watching themselves playing the game in the real world.

3. Who/what is Tsumugi? Was she only involved with Danganronpa 53, or was she also part of the other games? I think it's the latter—which ties into her plan of bringing despair to the real world—but I feel like a lot of her origin is confusing.

I was okay with what they were going with once the big twist revealed itself in Chapter 6, but I became less and less fine with it as it just went on, and on, and on. This cast easily trumps DR2's for me, and a big reason for that is that most of them were not overbearing with their schticks or tropes, unlike in DR2. Tenko likes to remind people about "degenerate males" anytime she gets, but she's a cool, measured character despite this, for example.

But the preachiness was just way too long, pointing the finger at the player and yelling at them enough that it just made me want to point back in objection. How did a series with repetitive writing and redundant concepts like this go on for 53 seasons? If our world is supposed to be "filled with peace," then that's laughable. They didn't even have the balls to obfuscate the obligatory sequel hook and "hope" ending they were railing against moments ago.

1. They probably only set up the false apocalypse set at the exit. They probably didn't consider damage to the dome.
2. The world is that fucked up.
3. Tsumugi is pretty much a mystery, yeah.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

2. The world is that fucked up.

But I'm not sure I really understand the intricacies of this. Alright, so now I'm remembering that the process to enter this is the future-tech looking device that Kaede puts on her head, right? Then what happens when characters in "Danganronpa" die? Do they die in real life? And would people in the real world truly want to apply, knowing this? Because, if so, some of the implications of the ending kinda lose their meaning, or at least from how I first interpreted it.

 

[Gradon]

How did everyone else's predictions go?

These are mine, dated 22 September 2016.

Kaede - Executed -> Replaced with K1-B0
Kokichi - Killed
Himiko - Executed
Maki - Killed
Rantaro - Killed - Guessed he would be the first death because of Ultimate ???
K1-B0 - Survivor
Angie - Executed
Gonta - Survivor
Kiyo - Executed
Tsumugi - Killed
Kaito - Executed
Ryoma - Survivor
Miu - Survivor
Kirumi - Executed
Tenko - Killed
Shuichi - Survivor

I got 9/16 fates right.

 

[NotLiquid]

Few things I don't understand about the ending:

1. They exit the tunnel earlier in the game and are deprived of oxygen when they attempt to exit their space station. Lies or not, reality or not, isn't it 100% that they were at least written to be situated on a ruined planet with no oxygen? So then why do I feel this was ignored during the ending arguments, and the 3 survivors are just fine in the epilogue?

It was brought up that it was either Kokichi/Monokuma/The Mastermind who piloted the arc back down to post-apocalypse earth. As for the post-apocalypse backdrop itself, it was essentially just a sound stage. It was another ploy.

2. I don't understand how people in the real world can want to apply to be part of a season of Danganronpa, and then their real world counterparts no longer exist and are instead transplanted into fiction? I thought part of the twist would be that the normal versions of the Ultimate characters would be watching themselves playing the game in the real world.

The audition tapes and Tsumugi implies that Danganronpa is such a worldwide phenomenon that it's existence singlehandedly brings about world peace because they can instead watch people willingly want to fuck each other up. To put it in another way, Danganronpa in the world of V3 operates under "The Purge" theory - i.e if you confine wanton criminal behavior into one single "free for all" period/area for everyone to release their criminal urges, then crime rates will drop off in general. It's a dumb theory but that's probably what V3 is going for - people like to watch conflict and the people who sign up for it are psychotic is the implication. Consider how Kaito says he wants to kill people for fame and money, or how Kaede says she's perfect for a killing game because she has no faith in humanity.

But then Tsumugi in general is also implied to be a complete liar, and it's possible that the outside world isn't aware that the show's production is unethical - the sticking point is the opening prologue where everyone is kidnapped against their own will, which goes against the idea that they willingly signed up for it. Much of the outside world is likely oblivious to the real circumstances behind the show's production, possibly many thinking they don't even die "for real" on it.

3. Who/what is Tsumugi? Was she only involved with Danganronpa 53, or was she also part of the other games? I think it's the latter—which ties into her plan of bringing despair to the real world—but I feel like a lot of her origin is confusing.

Tsumugi is the person picked by Team Danganronpa to mastermind DRV3. In the grand scheme of V3, she's likely just another brainwashed high schooler who was unwillingly taken and reshaped to be the vector for Team DR's nefarious purposes. Basically despite being an evil bastard when it comes to V3, it's possible she's another victim in terms of the game's machinations.

But I'm not sure I really understand the intricacies of this. Alright, so now I'm remembering that the process to enter this is the future-tech looking device that Kaede puts on her head, right? Then what happens when characters in "Danganronpa" die? Do they die in real life? And would people in the real world truly want to apply, knowing this? Because, if so, some of the implications of the ending kinda lose their meaning, or at least from how I first interpreted it.

The characters that die in the killing game die in real life is what we're meant to believe. It's a reality show. The brainwashing machine that Shuichi/Kaede recalls is a red herring, that's their memory of being mind-wiped to avoid the Ultimate Hunt. The twist is that the real brainwashing tools are the flashback lights.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

It was brought up that it was either Kokichi/Monokuma/The Mastermind who piloted the arc back down to post-apocalypse earth. As for the post-apocalypse backdrop itself, it was essentially just a sound stage. It was another ploy..

But did they not all pass out from lack of oxygen immediately when they opened the door? How was that manufactured? Within the fiction, I would have thought that that's just how they were written, and with no escape.

An argument could be made that those conditions were reserved just to that room or something, but it's kind of a lame one. Almost feels like a plot hole.

IThe audition tapes and Tsumugi implies that Danganronpa is such a worldwide phenomenon that it's existence singlehandedly brings about world peace because they can instead watch people willingly want to fuck each other up.

[...]

The characters that die in the killing game die in real life is what we're meant to believe. It's a reality show. The brainwashing machine that Shuichi/Kaede recalls is a red herring, that's their memory of being mind-wiped to avoid the Ultimate Hunt. The twist is that the real brainwashing tools are the flashback lights.

Ah... I see now. Okay, yeah, that means I have to think about the ending differently. The real world they're talking about isn't meant to be a figurative representation of our actual world, but more like an extrapolation.

 

[aspiegamer]

Few things I don't understand about the ending:

1. They exit the tunnel earlier in the game and are deprived of oxygen when they attempt to exit their space station. Lies or not, reality or not, isn't it 100% that they were at least written to be situated on a ruined planet with no oxygen? So then why do I feel this was ignored during the ending arguments, and the 3 survivors are just fine in the epilogue?

From how it was described in the final trial, it sounds like it's some stage set deliberately set up to finalize the lie to anyone who made it that far. And, hey, it worked exactly as intended! At the end of the game, the survivors walk off the TV set to what I assume is the normal modern world on the outside.

3. Who/what is Tsumugi? Was she only involved with Danganronpa 53, or was she also part of the other games? I think it's the latter—which ties into her plan of bringing despair to the real world—but I feel like a lot of her origin is confusing.

Sorta sounded like the executive producer of that game to me? Got to pick her spot and wrote some of the characters. Implication that there's one version of that character every season where the default "real" identity is a Junko as a tradition to the original villain. Whether there's an actual mastermind character or part of the production team is within the cast probably varies. They might get an option to? Tsumugi said she was dedicated enough to the idea of the game to die for it so others in that position have probably died in the past.

How did a series with repetitive writing and redundant concepts like this go on for 53 seasons? If our world is supposed to be "filled with peace," then that's laughable.

Other reality shows go on foreeeeeeeeeeever and ever. The killing games are relatively short (~2 weeks real time). Say you did 4 seasons a year, or even just 2. That isn't implausibly long for something that delightfully twisted. One also assumes it starts to get stale over time just like every other reality show which is why they added Keebo as a new wild card character, or started the survivor concept, or etc etc. There are indeed only a certain number of ways to cast groups of 16 teenagers at a time.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Other reality shows go on foreeeeeeeeeeever and ever. The killing games are relatively short (~2 weeks real time). Say you did 4 seasons a year, or even just 2. That isn't implausibly long for something that delightfully twisted. One also assumes it starts to get stale over time just like every other reality show which is why they added Keebo as a new wild card character, or started the survivor concept, or etc etc. There are indeed only a certain number of ways to cast groups of 16 teenagers at a time.

I suppose if I thought about it in the context of our world's reality shows, something like Danganronpa could go on for a long while, sure. Especially if new gimmicks were introduced every season to liven things up.

 

[TheGeniusArcana]

Oh my god I didn’t really think about the implications of Junko Enoshima the 53rd meaning that they ran 53 fucking seasons with her as the mastermind every single time.

Spoiler

Technically she wasn’t the mastermind in DR3, so the game was wrong in that regard, but the less DR3 is acknowledged, the better.

 

[Grexeno]

Oh my god I didn’t really think about the implications of Junko Enoshima the 53rd meaning that they ran 53 fucking seasons with her as the mastermind.

"EVEN IF IT MAKES YOU SAY, 'WHAT, AGAIN?'"

 

[Brazil]

Oh my god I didn’t really think about the implications of Junko Enoshima the 53rd meaning that they ran 53 fucking seasons with her as the mastermind every single time.

Spoiler

Technically she wasn’t the mastermind in DR3, so the game was wrong in that regard, but the less DR3 is acknowledged, the better.

Maybe Danganronpa 4 had two Junkos.

 

[Belgian Dude]

I suppose if I thought about it in the context of our world's reality shows, something like Danganronpa could go on for a long while, sure. Especially if new gimmicks were introduced every season to liven things up.

Survivor is 35 seasons in and that's 39 days boiled into a 3-month show that gets aired twice a year. If we boiled DR's 20-ish days into a 2-month show that gets aired 3 times a year since Survivor started, we'd actually be heading into season v3 right now, haha.

 

[Jigorath]

SERIES RANKING TIME:

1. Danganronpa 2
2. Danganronpa

-big gap-

3. Danganronpa 53
4. Ultra Despair Girls

-even bigger gap-

5. Danganronpa 3

 

[caliph95]

I thought we agreed not to acknowledge 3

 

[Burbeting]

Series ranking time? Sure.

1. Danganronpa 53
2. Danganronpa 2
3. Danganronpa

-Insert an enormous gap-

4. Ultra Despair Girls
5. Danganronpa 3

 

[FluxWaveZ]

1. Danganronpa V3 = Danganronpa 1
2. Danganronpa 0
3. Danganronpa 2
4. Danganronpa: Another Episode
5. Nagito shooting Junko.
53. Danganronpa 3

Something that DR V3 fulfils for me that the others didn't is that I was pretty bummed whenever most died, since I really like most of the cast compared to the other games.

The DR2 cast were mostly annoyances. I liked the DR1 cast's dynamic because it's full of paranoid, passive aggressive people who hate each other and you could see anyone wanting to kill anyone else.

In V3, most of the cast are on the smarter side. So unlike in DR1 and DR2, where most of the characters are contributing nonsense in classroom trials, most of the V3 cast actually have something to say to move the discussion along. I liked that.

 

[PK Gaming]

1) DR2
2) DRV3
3) DR1
4) DR:AE
5) DR:0

DR3 is fanfiction tier. It's not worth ranking.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

1. DRV3
2. DR2
3. DR1

DR3 can fuck right off

 

[Puruzi]

V3
2
UDG
1

 

[RRockman]

DR1

DRV3

DR2

 

[ULTROS!]

DR2
DRV3
DR1

- Gap -

UDG

 

[CielTynave]

DR2
DRV3
DR1

- Gap -

UDG

Mine is basically the same

Spoiler

but without the gap.

 

[ULTROS!]

Seems like V3 isn't as divisive as I expected actually.

 

[CielTynave]

Oh my god, please tell me there's a way to rewatch all of these scenes in the board game.

"You think comin' out of a rich dude's ballsack makes you better than me, an actual genius?"

 

[kewlmyc]

Sure, why not.

DR2
DRV3
DR1
UDG
DR3

I like how DR3 is unanimously the most hated thing in this series. Well, unless people count Killer Killer (you shouldn't).

 

[TheGeniusArcana]

DR2
DRV3
DR
DRAE

(I guess some people are putting anime in their rankings

so)

Spoiler

Danganronpa the Animation

 

[Poltergust]

Now that I have finished the game, I have one important question.

Why did I only get Love Key scenes with male characters? Is the game trying to tell me something?

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Seriously though, I'll need some time to gather my thoughts on this game. In the meantime, let's look at how well my predictions panned out!

Kaede - Survivor; unless this game is totally screwy lol.
Rantaro - Murderer; most likely to survive to late game and to be the final murderer.
Gonta - Victim; (general DR spoilers)

Spoiler

these burly types never live lol.

Angie - Victim; (general DR spoilers)

Spoiler

usually these super-annoying types are dead by case 3.

Kirumi - Victim; she's too cool to be a survivor. :<
Tsumugi - Murderer; (DR2 spoilers)

Spoiler

serious Mikan vibes here, especially with her self-berating.

Miu - Survivor; can't really picture her being anything else. Too hung up on her own arguments to be a competent murderer, but probably not naive enough to be a victim.
Kiyo - Survivor; I really don't like this guy, but he doesn't seem to be the killing type. He's also competent and unlikely to be a victim.
Kokichi - Murderer; the penultimate one, most likely.
Maki - Survivor; although is also likely to be a victim.
Keebo - Survivor; (general DR spoilers)

Spoiler

I can't picture him murdering anyone and we already had a robot victim. I can see this guy being the "companion" character to Kaede like Kyoko and Chiaki were.

Ryoma - Victim; wins the "Most Likely to Sacrifice Self for Others" award.
Tenko - Victim; (general DR spoilers)

Spoiler

these sporty types have been too immune to dying in the previous games. I can't picture her as a murderer, though.

Himiko - Murderer; solving a magician's trick is too good of an opportunity to ignore.
Shuichi- Murderer; watch this guy not last two cases. I'm totally calling this.
Kaito - Survivor; I'll be optimistic and believe that 6 people will live, and he's the last one I can consider surviving.

...Yikes. I only got 5/16 right. It's funny that my reasoning for Tsumugi turned out to be correct in a twisted sort of way.

Here's my list of people I'd have prefer to live:

"You gotta live!" tier

Kaede
Kirumi
Keebo
Ryoma

Meh tier

Miu
Tsumugi
Himiko
Gonta
Rantaro
Maki
Tenko
Shuichi
Kaito

Please die now tier

Angie
Kiyo
Kokichi

...Maybe I should stop ranking by this sort of order. Nearly my entire top tier got wiped out by the end of chapter 2. :<

 

[TheGeniusArcana]

My predictions from earlier this year.

Ended up getting more right than I remembered, but some of them are kind of iffy like Keebo as a victim, or Tsumugi and Miu as killers. Otherwise, I still have 5 definite right guesses.

Edit: On one hand, it’s crazy how predictable the Kaede twist ended up being, but on the other hand, it’s weird because my friends and I expected it to happen with Keebo because of his marketing prominence so we were technically wrong about it.

 

[Poltergust]

Hm, I just had a thought:

Can someone confirm for me if Tsumugi was always on the wrong side for Debate Scrums while Kokichi/Keebo were always on the correct side?

EDIT: Well, speaking of Debate Scrums, they should definitely be expanded upon if any future games will be made. Word matching is... not mentally stimulating, despite how well presented it is. Also, why does the song for it go on for over twice as long as what the Debate Scrum would last lol. I've never heard this song loop until I unlocked it in the Extra menu and listened to it. The second half to it is a lot more "hype" than the first half and I never heard it in-game.

 

[AlfredX1990]

Hm, I just had a thought:

Can someone confirm for me if Tsumugi was always on the wrong side for Debate Scrums while Kokichi/Keebo were always on the correct side?

Literally the first debate scrum has Keebo and Tsumugi in the same side, it's also the right side of the debate (Shuichi wasn't the killer of the first case)

 

[Poltergust]

Literally the first debate scrum has Keebo and Tsumugi in the same side, it's also the right side of the debate (Shuichi wasn't the killer of the first case)

I couldn't remember where everyone's positions were! D:

I just wanted to see if there was any foreshadowing of Tsumugi being the mastermind. Even now I can't think of anything outside of what was mentioned in the last trial. I even did all five FTEs with her on my playthrough (*sigh*) and couldn't remember anything fishy coming from those.