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[Aizu_Itsuko]

More like a new angle, amirite?

Fixed.


And Jett is right, this looks like a DMC knockoff with a generic character design.

And those videos make it look worse and less fun to play than DMC4 too.

Bleh.

 

[gunbo13]

Hey guess what Dahbomb.... Virgil is half-angel too now

He's half-robot.

 

[Pctx]

It's barely the character design that makes people hate on this, I point at DMC4 which had an entirely new character, it didn't get this kind of pre-release hate. It's Ninja Theory being in charge, it's their attitude towards the fanbase, it's Capcom treating us like idiots, it's Unrealfuckingengine, it's the game itself not looking too hot, its a clusterfuck of terrible community management and PR.


And yeah...it's also the character redesign!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HBzTpddcw0&feature=related

 

[badcrumble]

As always, shit hitting the fans.

 

[GuardianE]

Re: the angel thing, did they ever explicitly say what Dante's mom was before (or hint that she might be an angel)? I can't remember specifics about her.

She's supposed to be pure, but human. It's pretty clear that Dante is supposed to have human blood in him.

In the DMC world, there hasn't really even been such a thing as angels, though it could be implied through the Fallen (Angels) that you fight in DMC3. In DMC4, the "angels" are actually demons as well.

He's half-robot.

And covered in tar. All enemies must be covered in tar.

 

[Facism]

As always, shit hitting the fans.

Only the shit that NT is throwing at the fans.

 

[Khal_B]

He's half-robot.

That's actually Vergil he's fighting, they just haven't' told us yet.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Haydem am Cry.

 

[Jocchan]

Fixed.

Angle was already in the post gunbo13 quoted

 

[Pie and Beans]

He's half-robot.

should have been the one to fill your random access modules with LiiIIiIIIIIiIIight~

 

[AAK]

I wonder if Dante will have an angel trigger... lol.

LOL

EDIT: Fast typing this on an ipad so bear with me.

I liked what i saw for the most part. I think the visuals and use of colors is great. The animation in the combat can look a bit jerky, they need to smooth those out a bit.

But the important thing is that there you see dante cancelng in and out of special moves, freeform, which is the basis of dmc's combat, and its great that ninja theory gets that.

Also, the themes that ninja theory seems to be basing off from is more from Kamiyas dante, not Itsunos dante. Kamiyas dante, from the novels, to the bavkstory, even from interviiews with Kamiya way back in 2000, resembles more of a anti hero, a grimy dante tht " visited brothels and whore houses." later, in itsunos dmc games, ou get more of a pure hero, an over the top comic based character, teenage mutant ninja esque of sorts. Go back to the original devil may cy, dante was a lot more grounded, only really saying brief one liner to more insult his enemies. In itsunos dmc games, we get more speeches than one liners.

Ninja theory has been improving each and every time thy show this game, and if anyone from them is readng this thread, then keep up the good work. Color me intereted.


Ps: as for the devil and angel theme, that isnt much of a departure thematically. Sparda was a devil, and Eva, although human, wasnt painted as this angelic like person. A person pure, of no faults. Its really just an analagoys extension of an exsistent theme in Kamiyas Dmc.

In all, Kamiyas Dmc and all the related stuff that was released, ie artbooks, novel etc that never made it stateside showed a lot more backstory that nnja theory is using now, ten years later.

Maybe it because i still think the real dante s the Dmc1 dante that kamiya made, not the one in Itsunos combat simulators.

These are interesting points. Didn't know that.

Only the shit that CAPCOM is throwing at the fans.

Fixed, NT is only doing as they're dictated.

 

[Dahbomb]

Also, the themes that ninja theory seems to be basing off from is more from Kamiyas dante, not Itsunos dante. Kamiyas dante, from the novels, to the bavkstory, even from interviiews with Kamiya way back in 2000, resembles more of a anti hero, a grimy dante tht " visited brothels and whore houses." later, in itsunos dmc games, ou get more of a pure hero, an over the top comic based character, teenage mutant ninja esque of sorts. Go back to the original devil may cy, dante was a lot more grounded, only really saying brief one liner to more insult his enemies. In itsunos dmc games, we get more speeches than one liners.

Ninja theory has been improving each and every time thy show this game, and if anyone from them is readng this thread, then keep up the good work. Color me intereted.


Ps: as for the devil and angel theme, that isnt much of a departure thematically. Sparda was a devil, and Eva, although human, wasnt painted as this angelic like person. A person pure, of no faults. Its really just an analagoys extension of an exsistent theme in Kamiyas Dmc.

In all, Kamiyas Dmc and all the related stuff that was released, ie artbooks, novel etc that never made it stateside showed a lot more backstory that nnja theory is using now, ten years later.

Maybe it because i still think the real dante s the Dmc1 dante that kamiya made, not the one in Itsunos combat simulators.

Itsuno's Dante also visited clubs and brothels. It's in the DMC3 manga, a canonical entry into the DMC series which came right after DMC3 (Itsuno's game). The difference is that Dante in DMC3 and above covered his dark/brooding self with an over the top personality.

And Eva was never even implied to be an angel, she was a human pure and simple. Even DMC1's original tagline was something like "half human, half demon... all vengeance". So no... Kamiya never intended Eva to be angel or Dante to be half-angel. It's a retcon if I ever saw one.

NT pretty much shat upon Kamiya's designs as they did on the more recent ones. They pretty much straight up said that what was cool 10 years ago isn't cool now.

They might go with the DMC novels for DmC.. who knows we might see a bandaged, fucked up Vergil in this game.

 

[mephixto]

From Emo Dante to Baby face Dante, no difference.

 

[modulaire]

The animation looks great.

I'm always annoyed when the feet of video game characters make strage/disconnected movements on the ground.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

He still looks like a douchebag.

 

[DR2K]

Wow what a quick turn around, some go from 60 fps gameplay over story to throwing a fit over possibly retconning the story.

 

[Riposte]

That's actually Vergil he's fighting, they just haven't' told us yet.

http://i.imgur.com/W879m.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

The city in the background is crazy. I like it.

 

[Yoshichan]

Doesn't look as much garbage as the other Dante. Still bad, though.

 

[Chamber]

LOL

Chicken trigger

 

[Khal_B]

I'm surprised more people haven't taken issue with the frame-rate. It looks all over the place in that vid.

 

[GuardianE]

Wow what a quick turn around, some go from 60 fps gameplay over story to throwing a fit over possibly retconning the story.

Those two points aren't mutually exclusive. There are different kinds of fans of DMC. They're not all looking for the same thing.

Fixed, NT is only doing as they're dictated.

NT has creative control. It has to ultimately be approved by Capcom, but they're certainly not blameless.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I'm surprised more people haven't taken issue with the frame-rate. It looks all over the place in that vid.

Bad framerate is probably expected in Ninja Theory games by now, TBH

 

[Respawn]

Its growing on me. Love the combat.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Am I in the minority here that thinks this is at least an improvement and that the game actually looks like it could have potential.

I loved Enslaved so I don't mind the similarities.

 

[Dahbomb]

Wow what a quick turn around, some go from 60 fps gameplay over story to throwing a fit over possibly retconning the story.

There's no quick turn around here, no 60FPS is a huge fucking liability for this game but until Capcom actually gives a target FPS for this there is no point in discussing this game's current abysmal frames. We discuss new information related to DmC and the new information is a slight re-design and story changes. Game play for this game is still ass unless stated otherwise.

It's not our fault that nothing that NT releases (outside DAT art which has been praised already) is actually good. Also most people expected ass game play but good story/presentation from NT since that is their forte. If they fuck up the presentation then there isn't much going for this game.

 

[GuardianE]

I'm surprised more people haven't taken issue with the frame-rate. It looks all over the place in that vid.

It's an old talking point, unfortunately. There's new stuff to talk about, I guess.

Am I in the minority here that thinks this is at least an improvement and that the game actually looks like it could have potential.

I loved Enslaved so I don't mind the similarities.

I don't think anyone here thinks that the latest reveals somehow look worse than what was previously shown... so, yes. It is definitely an improvement. They still have a huge fucking way to go.

 

[First Name]

The animation looks great.

I'm always annoyed when the feet of video game characters make strage/disconnected movements on the ground.

Or on the enemies?

 

[indigo-cyclops]

That one piece of concept art is pretty cool, however, still don't like his design!

Animation definitely looks great, combat looks interesting.

 

[Yoshichan]

Wow saw the trailer...

Restrain me Dahbomb... I think I might go batshit insane and just get me banned.

 

[badcrumble]

Only the shit that NT is throwing at the fans.

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[DryEyeRelief]

My problem wasn't Dante's design (though it was bad) but that the fact that this will be Heavenly Sword 2 and not a Devil May Cry game.

 

[V_Arnold]

My problem wasn't Dante's design (though it was bad) but that the fact that this will be Heavenly Sword 2 and not a Devil May Cry game.

*must**resist**avatar**quote*

 

[TreIII]

NT pretty much shat upon Kamiya's designs as they did on the more recent ones. They pretty much straight up said that what was cool 10 years ago isn't cool now.

Ding.

But yeah, more than my preferred aesthetic for the series, what is up with that FRAMERATE? When you start making even PS3-Bayo look excellent in comparison...

 

[Dahbomb]

Wow saw the trailer...

Restrain me Dahbomb... I think I might go batshit insane and just get me banned.

WAIT FOR IT.....

Dante is now officially half angel, half demon. Eva is a full angel.

Now you may go crazy.

 

[Facism]

thatsthejoke.png

Fair enough!

 

[Vicetrailia]

Still not up to DMC standards. Plus he looks even more generic now.

We need another redesign.

 

[DR2K]

Bad framerate is probably expected in Ninja Theory games by now, TBH

If they can keep a solid 30fps it would be nothing short of a miracle for them.

Those two points aren't mutually exclusive. There are different kinds of fans of DMC. They're not all looking for the same thing.

So there are people that play DMC for the plot?

 

[Krev]

Am I in the minority here that thinks this is at least an improvement and that the game actually looks like it could have potential.

I think most people think that, and I agree.

 

[First Name]

WAIT FOR IT.....

Dante is now officially half angel, half demon. Eva is a full angel.

Now you may go crazy.

Has it been confirmed that Eva exists in this story? Maybe Dino's a test tube baby, created for nefarious purposes by the Evolutionary Variety Agency.

 

[GuardianE]

So there are people that play DMC for the plot?

Believe it or not, yeah. I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything. You can find fans of any plot in existence, so it's not like it's a huge accomplishment or anything. I, personally, do enjoy the lore of DMC.

 

[Valnen]

Called having an opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

There's everything wrong with him spitting on the Devil May Cry franchise like that.

 

[Yoshichan]

WAIT FOR IT.....

Dante is now officially half angel, half demon. Eva is a full angel.

Now you may go crazy.

...

...

I'm just gonna listen to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUN89RaP60

right now.

 

[DR2K]

Believe it or not, yeah. I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything. You can find fans of any plot in existence, so it's not like it's a huge accomplishment or anything. I, personally, do enjoy the lore of DMC.

I'm honestly asking, I might give the series a play through(played 4) once the inevitable HD collection comes out.

 

[NervousXtian]

I like where they are going.. I thought the OG Dante wasn't all that to begin with.. so never really gotten the hate.

 

[jett]

So there are people that play DMC for the plot?

Those people are retarded. The story in the DMC games is incomprehensible garbage. That's one aspect I can't see NT doing worse.

 

[sn00zer]

People keep forgetting how great GoW3 was as an action game and that ran at 30 fps....it may not be DMC but that doesnt mean it cant be a good action game

 

[Dahbomb]

Yeah there are quite some DMC fans that take the plot and characters fairly seriously.

DMC has some decent lore but it's all buried under layers of "THIS PARTY IS GETTING KKKKKKKRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZYYYYYYY" and "I WILL BE THE ONE TO FILL YOUR DARK SOUL WITH LIGHT!!!!!"

 

[AAK]

NT has creative control. It has to ultimately be approved by Capcom, but they're certainly not blameless.

NT only has control through very strict restrictions. They already said they tried designing DmC more akin to DMC1,3,4 and Capcom flat out rejected them. So they had their hands tied.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Imagine being used to 60fps DMC games straight up and then you suddenly get a DmC game that's not even 30fps solid.

Common man!

 

[sixteen-bit]

I like where they are going.. I thought the OG Dante wasn't all that to begin with.. so never really gotten the hate.

I still don't give a shit about the redesign. Reboots happen, I get that. And I got over it.
The problem I have is with the developer they chose to handle the project. That's where all my reservations come from.