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[Rubius]

Pretty much. Plus keywords like "bomb" are flagged for retrieval later down the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obiEy9l9z6U

That's going to collect like half of the voice of call of duty games. "Dude, plant the bomb, and go kill the president! Yeah, we got -.....Who are you guys! WAIT! NO! I didnt do....."
Poor Timmy. He's still in jail.
Comedy? Nope, there is a kid right now who did sarcasm in League of Legend and is still in jail. Been about 9 months now. The FBI also went to the house of a couple who googled backpack and pressure cooker.
Really, I wouldnt want to live in the USA like that.

 

[Caayn]

so this is how Kinect sees me and stores me in memory?

Silly you, a computer can only see ones, zeros and Japanese. Haven't you seen the matrix.

 

[FeiRR]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kinects installed at airports in the USA soon. This kind of biometric recognition is far better than any fingerprint scanner.

 

[Omni]

If Microsoft says it, it must be true!

Yes. Microsoft is lying in their privacy statement.


christ

 

[Garrett 2U]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kinects installed at airports in the USA soon. This kind of biometric recognition is far better than any fingerprint scanner.

Joke post right? You don't really think a Kinect is a better camera than what they're using at airport security, do you?

 

[Pwn]

Every day I turn on Xbone, should I say hello to Obama?

 

[Rubius]

Yes. Microsoft is lying in their privacy statement.


christ

The NSA lied in court when they said they were not collecting data on Americans. So yeah, they might lie here too. Lying is pretty common.

Bouddah

 

[simplythebest]

I can understand them having the ability to monitor all in-game chats. I'm fine with that. But this appears to say they can monitor and record all Skype calls too. If that's accurate...fuck them.

edit: I'm wrong. It says game-related communications. I'm alright with that as long as private messages/Skype don't fall under that umbrella.

Weren't there articles saying Microsoft was helping the NSA was monitoring Spype communications before?

 

[AllenShrz]

Yes. Microsoft is lying in their privacy statement.


christ

Young padawan, they are not technically lying but they are obliged by law to do what the NSA wants them to do without disclosing it.

 

[Rubius]

Kinect is about software and not about hardware.

"Sorry, you cannot board this plane, seem like you have two strikes for calling a guy homophobic names on Call of Duty, Mister...XxXxX420noScopeSlenderKillerXxXxXxX."

 

[Heretic]

so this is how Kinect sees me and stores me in memory?

You wish you were that good looking.

 

[Garrett 2U]

Kinect is about software and not about hardware.

Yeah I guess, the software is really impressive.
Nothing really close to it on the consumer level market, at least, dunno about commercial tho...

 

[Heretic]

That's going to collect like half of the voice of call of duty games. "Dude, plant the bomb, and go kill the president! Yeah, we got -.....Who are you guys! WAIT! NO! I didnt do....."
Poor Timmy. He's still in jail.
Comedy? Nope, there is a kid right now who did sarcasm in League of Legend and is still in jail. Been about 9 months now. The FBI also went to the house of a couple who googled backpack and pressure cooker.
Really, I wouldnt want to live in the USA like that.

There's more to the pressure cooking story than what you posted.

 

[Ol No Bones]

If Microsoft says it, it must be true!

Why bother come to a thread about a Microsoft policy if they are just lying anyway in your estimation?

 

[Heretic]

Every day I turn on Xbone, should I say hello to Obama?

Yes so dress appropriately please. Or not

 

[kitch9]

It clearly says it just destroys the data after the game is done when online.

Why so much fear mongering GAF?

My Nigerian friend needs a hand moving 25 billion dollars.

I've told him that you sound like just the man for the job.

 

[Caayn]

Yes. Microsoft is lying in their privacy statement.


christ

Look up the "Patriot Act" The most absurd and crazy law to ever be created.

 

[Pwn]

Why bother come to a thread about a Microsoft policy if they are just lying anyway in your estimation?

Well, I think Microsoft don't lie about this. They just dodge.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I'm curious what info they would want from looking at me anyway. I just realized there is probably gonna be targeted advertising for people of different races. It's not like they couldn't get that info anyway.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Well, I think Microsoft don't lie about this. They just dodge.

The only reason I say that is that unless we hear otherwise there is no reason to say that they are obviously lying. I see nothing wrong with being skeptical but if every thread about any company started with "nope they are lying." This place would get annoying quick.

 

[Rubius]

There's more to the pressure cooking story than what you posted.

Here the full story.
If you have more, go ahead.

 

[Rubius]

The only reason I say that is that unless we hear otherwise there is no reason to say that they are obviously lying. I see nothing wrong with being skeptical but if every thread about any company started with "nope they are lying." This place would get annoying quick.

Even if they said 100% the truth, they still listen to your voice and record it. And we know they send the data back to the NSA. So yeah, even if they say the truth they still send info the the NSA. But we know they lie on giving info on the NSA because of the leaks. They already did lie, so yeah I doubt they wont give info to the NSA.

 

[Shosai]

If Microsoft says it, it must be true!

A) Anyone can run a packet sniffer to see when and if the Xbox uploads data. The idea that the console could secretly upload video and audio data without the public noticing is a fantasy. Microsoft couldn't so much as ping urls sent through Skype chats without getting caught

B) If you're going to assume that a company is lying in it's privacy policy, why trust any company? How do you know your smartphone isn't spying on you? Your Vita? 3DS?

 

[DeltaJay]

Even if they said 100% the truth, they still listen to your voice and record it. And we know they send the data back to the NSA. So yeah, even if they say the truth they still send info the the NSA. But we know they lie on giving info on the NSA because of the leaks. They already did lie, so yeah I doubt they wont give info to the NSA.

Okay. Who doesn't comply with the governments wishes to procure information?

 

[Heretic]

Here the full story.
If you have more, go ahead.

That shit is too long but here's what supposedly happened:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/

Suffolk County Criminal Intelligence Detectives received a tip from a Bay Shore based computer company regarding suspicious computer searches conducted by a recently released employee. The former employee’s computer searches took place on this employee’s workplace computer. On that computer, the employee searched the terms “pressure cooker bombs” and “backpacks.”

 

[iBuzz7S]

Wasn't it Microsoft who were told that they are not allowed to release what information is shared? They wanted to come clean, but were denied that right?

Oh and also, this happened in the last 24 hours.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/31/...and-others-urge-congress-to-enact-nsa-reforms

Remove them tinfoil hats.

 

[Mistwalker]

The only reason I say that is that unless we hear otherwise there is no reason to say that they are obviously lying. I see nothing wrong with being skeptical but if every thread about any company started with "nope they are lying." This place would get annoying quick.

Other than them having lied about this very thing before?

How you look, how you dress, your mannerisms, habits, how you respond to certain types of advertising, may seem like boring day-to-day stuff of little value to you...but it is in fact extremely valuable to advertising companies.

The NSA having the power to make Microsoft disregard its own privacy policies isn't even the whole picture. MS has presented Kinect to its partners as the ultimate targeted-marketing tool. The APIs are already developed. People don't think it's a big deal, and so now we have Microsoft forcing randomized ads on you if you don't opt-in to their data collection. They've made opting out as unlikeable as possible by not really giving you a choice. It's absurd.

A) Anyone can run a packet sniffer to see when and if the Xbox uploads data. The idea that the console could secretly upload video and audio data without the public noticing is a fantasy. Microsoft couldn't so much as ping urls sent through Skype chats without getting caught

Microsoft has already admitted they're collecting the data, and everyone knows whatever is sent will be encrypted anyway. What MS is promising is that the data will be destroyed after it's delivered...

B) If you're going to assume that a company is lying in it's privacy policy, why trust any company? How do you know your smartphone isn't spying on you? Your Vita? 3DS?

A company that has already been caught red-handed doing exactly that, that now wants a camera and microphone hooked up in my home, which they have admitted can and will be used to collect user information? Oh, I can think of a few reasons...

 

[Ishan]

halloween. TIN FOIL HAT on ma head.

on topic
it essentially comes down to do you trust microsoft. As someone who has worked in privacy . Its very hard to fully guarantee it .... even revealing small midgets of what you do can be used to form a full picture with other avenues .... fully ensuring privacy is hard and complicated.

 

[Ishan]

ill encourage everyone concerned to look up how academics used freely available data to get a senator's (or maybe it was a governor) medical record into the public domain.... these issues are very very hard to fully encompass ... it essentially just comes down to do you trust the company.

 

[kitch9]

A) Anyone can run a packet sniffer to see when and if the Xbox uploads data. The idea that the console could secretly upload video and audio data without the public noticing is a fantasy. Microsoft couldn't so much as ping urls sent through Skype chats without getting caught

B) If you're going to assume that a company is lying in it's privacy policy, why trust any company? How do you know your smartphone isn't spying on you? Your Vita? 3DS?

The box is encrypted, the network connection is encrypted and the servers at the other end is encrypted whilst being the only servers the box will ever connect to.

They could do what the fuck they like and you would have no idea. Games consoles with their heavily encrypted environment that only connect to one place are the only devices I can think of where what you said is pretty much impossible to do.

 

[Ishan]

The box is encrypted, the network connection is encrypted and the servers at the other end is encrypted whilst being the only servers the box will ever connect to.

They could do what the fuck they like and you would have no idea. Games consoles with their heavily encrypted environment that only connect to one place are the only devices I can think of where what you said is pretty much impossible to do.

and then someone will mention how the nsa is close to real world factoring of prime multiplications etc ... encryption isnt infallible ... etc etc ...

 

[FeiRR]

Joke post right? You don't really think a Kinect is a better camera than what they're using at airport security, do you?

Yes, I do.

 

[acm2000]

So pretty much exactly the same as 360?

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

Shady as almighty fuck. Count me out.

 

[GoofsterStud]

Don't get screwgooled. Then the truth came out.

Don't worry I am sure Microsoft can be trusted now....

 

[twl]

Weren't there articles saying Microsoft was helping the NSA was monitoring Spype communications before?

Yes, sure was!

"It appears that US intelligence agencies have insisted that local software companies must cooperate closer with the NSA, so it asked several top vendors, including Skype, to put together secret teams to develop systems that would provide them with backdoor access to users’ conversations.

The source claims that the NSA wanted “to control the process themselves” and thus skip the process of contacting the parent company and asking for details on select user accounts."

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Skyp...SA-Before-Microsoft-Takeover-NYT-362384.shtml

Original source: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/t...-agency-bound-by-strengthening-web.html?_r=1&

 

[Shosai]

The box is encrypted, the network connection is encrypted and the servers at the other end is encrypted whilst being the only servers the box will ever connect to.

They could do what the fuck they like and you would have no idea. Games consoles with their heavily encrypted environment that only connect to one place are the only devices I can think of where what you said is pretty much impossible to do.

Do you know how a packet sniffer works? Do you even know what encrypted means? No packets are going to leave people's home networks containing audio and video data without more than a few tech nuts knowing about it. Seriously, the bandwidth alone would raise alarms.

Not to mention the fact that there are entire communities dedicated to reverse-engineering modern consoles. They're not some magic devices capable of sneaking invisible data in and out of your home

 

[FranXico]

I love how all companies always vaguely write that they may collect user data.
They always say they might do shit that they'll certainly do.

 

[Caayn]

Don't get screwgooled. Then the truth came out.

Don't worry I am sure Microsoft can be trusted now....

As long as a business operates in the USA. They're subject to the "patriot act" a law that gives the USA free access to all data of those companies.

 

[FrunkQ]

Hmmm - the data almost does not bother me. They appear to be honest about what they share and what they don't. What bothers me, and lost in the legal mumbo jumbo is what they use that data for on your console and what they to with inferred metadata.

For instance:
Pizza Hut wants to target an ad campaign to XBL users and ask MS to advertise to users with "above average BMI"... i.e. all the fatties (like me) who are likely to be interested in fat laden pizza.

Out goes the advert to your console. You console does your BMI analysis using Kinect and if you pass their threshold you get targeted. Pizza Hut is told the %age of users targeted and knows who respond to the ads.

No height/weight data about you has left your console, but Pizza Hut has you on their "fat list" and have some interesting data on the %age of fat people in the country and %age that are interested in Pizza Hut.

NO PERSONAL DATA LEFT YOUR CONSOLE! But the affect is the same as if it had.

This example may be poor in many respects and perhaps breach current privacy rules, but you can apply similar ideas to a whole raft of concepts where "NuAds" can do their TV watching/body analysis/people identification analysis locally on your console and pass inferred metadata back to MS and partners without breaching any privacy agreements.

Always read these statements with a sense of "how can they get around the rules" as the people putting them together and their partners certainly are!

 

[ChryZ]

You already lost trust if you have to explain yourself.

 

[GoofsterStud]

As long as a business operates in the USA. They're subject to the "patriot act" a law that gives the USA free access to all data of those companies.

That has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

 

[Kokonoe]

They've killed practically all of my interest in this system despite my favorite system last gen being the Xbox 360.

 

[Walshicus]

Companies do what the legal governments they are subject to order them to do. It seems a bit strange that people aren't delineating the two issues. On the one hand the security services are known to have overstepped their remit by forcing corporations to cooperate. On the other we have no evidence that MS (or Google etc.) are sharing user data in violation of their privacy policies and the scenarios mandated by law.

 

[Caayn]

That has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

You were talking as if Microsoft give away user data on a silver platter to anyone who asked. They followed the law under pressure from the NSA. If it was Sony or Nintendo it would have the same result, those companies to would hand over data.

 

[CambriaRising]

The only viable privacy policy is not to own one.

 

[GoofsterStud]

You were talking as if Microsoft give away user data on a silver platter to anyone who asked. They followed the law under pressure from the NSA. If it was Sony or Nintendo it would have the same result, those companies to would hand over data.

Lol...still off topic. NSA is easier to deflect.

 

[Mr Moose]

Microsoft stressed that Xbox does not listen in on Skype calls. "We leave that to the NSA" says one employee.

I made that last part up... But it's probably true

Wait I just noticed, Xbox doesn't? Why didn't it say Microsoft doesn't?

 

[Krixeus]

The only viable privacy policy is not to own one.

Do you apply the same rules to all your other devices that may have a camera or microphone on them like phone, laptop, 3DS/Vita, etc?

 

[Prine]

You're a charicature, to be so critical of this forum, you sure do like spending much of your time on it crapping it up with these defensive posts.

How is it defensive when this is a non issue? This policy is in line with Skype, whatsapp, Google talk and most public comms service (which is why these services are usually banned in companies).