Count Dookkake
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AstroLad said:
They were.
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They were.
OneEightZero
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Heh.Count Dookkake said:
Alligatorjandro
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You guys should be glad EvilLore didn't sell it.
Who knows what would have become of it then.
Who knows what would have become of it then.
Foliorum Viridum
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This assumes a large portion of GAF will have sex and thus have daughters.EviLore said:
Rookie mistake.
Well I guess my point is that it's a bit ridiculous that at least long-time posters weren't able to negotiate these agreements individually. If a group of people were, then that supports my argument even more. Definitely some sort of "pay for play" program would have been very interesting and potentially led to even better content.Count Dookkake said:
Seems to me like this would have been a considerably smaller issue if Evilore made a thread going "Guess what bitches" and posted about the ToS change himself and expanded a little on what it meant rather than people tripping on that shit on the Kotaku thread, cause honestly? Non-issue.
HOW ABOUT A LITTLE MORE TACT NEXT TIME GOD DAMN
HOW ABOUT A LITTLE MORE TACT NEXT TIME GOD DAMN
Mechazawa said:
This thread was posted just about simultaneously with the change, and there was an issue in progress blowing up the gaming forum that needed to be addressed with a ToS update ASAP. It's not like the change was supposed to go unnoticed. I just didn't have an opportunity to issue a statement since it was picked up on instantly.
I'm fine with how the thread turned out, as it seems we have dozens of IP lawyers that spring into action when this happens to explain what the hell is going on better than I could ;b
EviLore said:
Yeah, I think most people realize it's not really a big deal and is quite common. Still a few "the sky is falling!" people around, but you could announce "water is wet" and people would be up in arms.
Excellent move, updating the TOS. What a good idea that was!
commish said:Yeah, I think most people realize it's not really a big deal and is quite common. Still a few "the sky is falling!" people around, but you could announce "water is wet" and people would be up in arms.
Excellent move, updating the TOS. What a good idea that was!
I could see a legit concern if you were someone heavily involved in the creative writing threads, or something. But I think for most posters, me included, can't say I give two thoughts to any of my awful pun-filled posts over the years.
Kuro Madoushi
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Whoa whoa, I'm not an IP lawyer, I'm just the lowly clerk. Since I don't have a background in it, I have to constantly read, look up cases, ask questions, and have shit explained to me. Doesn't mean I don't learn fast.
I'm not going to answer everything here since it's awkward on my ipad.
1. I'm in Canada. You don't NEED to have it officially copyrighted, but you can for extra protection. It's automatic otherwise (we had to do one recently and I had one of the lawyers explain to me why).
2. The TOS doesn't transfer ownership to Evilore no matter what it says. 1 I didn't give expressed consent to these new TOS. 2 Ownership will come up in a lawsuit and I simply don't see how a website's (even one as glorious as NeoGAF's) TOS can hold up in a civil suit, which is an extreme example.
Additionally, this doesn't cover people posting others' work on here. If I post...say...an up and coming artist's
photo, sure doesn't give NeoGAF the ownership of it.
Edit: I dunno...lawblob. Copyright is granted as soon as it's published. I'd strongly advise the owners to not test the boundaries by selling those stories. If nothing than to avoid the cost of hiring a lawyer (god damn you guys make a lot) to battle in court with a Gaffer...who may have a lot of money to keep their lawyer on the case.
I still say you guys are over-reacting.
I'm not going to answer everything here since it's awkward on my ipad.
1. I'm in Canada. You don't NEED to have it officially copyrighted, but you can for extra protection. It's automatic otherwise (we had to do one recently and I had one of the lawyers explain to me why).
2. The TOS doesn't transfer ownership to Evilore no matter what it says. 1 I didn't give expressed consent to these new TOS. 2 Ownership will come up in a lawsuit and I simply don't see how a website's (even one as glorious as NeoGAF's) TOS can hold up in a civil suit, which is an extreme example.
Additionally, this doesn't cover people posting others' work on here. If I post...say...an up and coming artist's
photo, sure doesn't give NeoGAF the ownership of it.
Edit: I dunno...lawblob. Copyright is granted as soon as it's published. I'd strongly advise the owners to not test the boundaries by selling those stories. If nothing than to avoid the cost of hiring a lawyer (god damn you guys make a lot) to battle in court with a Gaffer...who may have a lot of money to keep their lawyer on the case.
I still say you guys are over-reacting.
Kuro Madoushi said:Additionally, this doesn't cover people posting others' work on here. If I post...say...an up and coming artist's photo, sure doesn't give NeoGAF the ownership of it.
I still say you guys are over-reacting.
Well, it limits the rights to what IP rights "you own or control".
Alucrid said:
We were talking about it w/r/t the Kotaku stuff.
Byakuya769
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teruterubozu said:
Yea, regular messaging of course. But damn at that applying to PMs as well.
Kuro Madoushi
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Sigh, I'm gonna bail out. I get to deal enough of this at work...
Basically, sky is not falling, don't worry about TOS, give Evilore a bit of trust (though I would say it would help if it works both ways and there's communication).
Worried? Leave. Post a link to your stuff instead. Get your stuff copyrighted. Or see above.
Basically, sky is not falling, don't worry about TOS, give Evilore a bit of trust (though I would say it would help if it works both ways and there's communication).
Worried? Leave. Post a link to your stuff instead. Get your stuff copyrighted. Or see above.
blame space
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All the weird rules should be put into the TOS.. it's be funnier that way.
Urban Scholar
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Londa said:
Kinda unnerving really. I understand that's it for purposes of say a scam via the buy/sell/trade thread but still : /
Jason's Ultimatum
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So is it alright for me to post shirtless pics of myself?
echoshifting
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
Copyright your nipples first just to be safe
blame space
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Alucrid said:
i just don't want the mods looking through my private shit OKAY??
EDIT: what Shiggy said
Axalon
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In regards to posting images, you're already doing that, but surrounding it with tags, which the forum software takes as "welp, better follow that link and show everyone what is there!". What GAF has rights to is whatever is written and saved onto their servers. By posting images, you've given GAF a non-exclusive license to THE URL of that image, but not what that URL links to. The image is still wherever you put it, and therefore the property of whoever's server it is on. So say your post isajf009 said:
[quote=someone]
haha cats
[img]http://funnycrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/funny-cats-a10.jpg
[/quote]
NeoGAF has the rights to this:
someone said:
No image there! They have a right to the URL, but not the URL's contents. Therefore, your art is safe. Literary works, on the other hand, ARE saved on the servers, since it's text, so that you may want to simply link to if you're concerned.
And if it hasn't been drilled into your head already, without this addition, you can sue GAF for something so stupid as "distributing" your artwork to some poster you don't like, since that's how the internet and forum software works, it's distributing your post (art) to someone else, in this case, someone looking at the site.
I'd probably save my shit flipping for when you investigate your image sharing site of choice's TOS. Because they own your actual images.
Urban Scholar
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Alucrid said:
Me? Nothing but banter as usual. I'm just saying I'd think PM investigation should be left to admins & mods. PM = private message after all. I just think if anything sour(or severe) goes down the info shared shouldn't be made public.
Chet Rippo
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I know, now I'm hungry.Plywood said:
This doesn't really have anything to do with GAF or EviLore's reasons for doing it, but it's just interesting because it highlighted Reddit's user agreement clause similar to the new GAF one.
A user posted an idea for a movie as a comment, it blew up, Warner Bros bought the exclusive rights to make a movie of it, and now there are debates as to whether or not it was the user's rights to give.
So just be careful about posting your ideas in a public forum like GAF or reddit.
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On a side note, EviLore, can you put in functionality for users to sticky threads (for their personal view)? For example, I'm following the Windows Phone 7 thread and would like for it to appear at the top of the list, but subscriptions don't really do that
A user posted an idea for a movie as a comment, it blew up, Warner Bros bought the exclusive rights to make a movie of it, and now there are debates as to whether or not it was the user's rights to give.
So just be careful about posting your ideas in a public forum like GAF or reddit.
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On a side note, EviLore, can you put in functionality for users to sticky threads (for their personal view)? For example, I'm following the Windows Phone 7 thread and would like for it to appear at the top of the list, but subscriptions don't really do that
Most ToS included something similar, but it is always in your best nature to put a heads up about it.Squirrel Killer said:
If he just made a sticky before it happened, said it changed, and exactly like he did here. Explained how nothing really has changed, just saying it allows for other feeds to repost it. It would have went over 1000x better. That's it.
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Urban Scholar
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EviLore said:
Ok my anxiety is lowering a bit now.
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