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New NeoGaf TOS

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jaxword

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EviLore said:
Site staff doesn't have access to your PMs.

It's there to cover things like receiving PMs, or PMs being forwarded and then posted openly, etc.

Probably should add this to the TOS so people stop worrying about things they said in private.

It'll probably alleviate a bit of the panic.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Aquavelvaman said:
I want a personal thread ban list. I want to blacklist threads and never see them again. I will pay $5 for such a feature.
I guess this isn't a bad place to reiterate my demands for animated sigs (<2MB of course).
 

Alucrid

Banned
Urban Scholar said:
Me? Nothing but banter as usual. I'm just saying I'd think PM investigation should be left to admins & mods. PM = private message after all. I just think if anything sour(or severe) goes down the info shared shouldn't be made public.
So you don't trust neogaf mods and admits then? Let's not forget that not having this clause hasn't stopped a mod from giving private information out. Not to a company or anything like that, but still. This is a matter about how much you're willing to trust Neogaf Inc. and its operators, which, despite not meeting them or really knowing them, I do. I doubt they'll ever release PMs publicly. Unless you're planning on murdering someone through it. Or creating a massive pyramid scheme or running child porn rings or something.
 

Korey

Member
EviLore said:
Personal stickies? Hrm, someone would probably have to make a browser script for that, as it seems like a niche function.
I think it's useful for threads you want to follow instead of scanning the page for them all the time. I saw this functionality on Fatwallet:

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Here's a forum more similar to this one:

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Anyways just a suggestion
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
blame space said:
bring back polls
Polls without forcing the use to provide reasoning are generally useless since they're subject to trolling the results.
 

Jintor

Member
Man, our Private Messages too? :T

Site staff doesn't have access to your PMs.

It's there to cover things like receiving PMs, or PMs being forwarded and then posted openly, etc.

Oh okay.
 

Alucrid

Banned
Korey said:
I think it's useful for threads you want to follow instead of scanning the page for them all the time. I saw this functionality on Fatwallet:

Anyways just a suggestion

That would actually be cool. I always find myself searching for the men's fashion, jean, headphone and speaker threads. Having them at the top would be bomb.
 

jaxword

Member
Copernicus said:
Can we get rep points back? I liked looking at the approval ratings that never changed.

Aren't rep points sort of...childish? Like, this person is more popular than that person, let's put a number on it so they can tell the world?
 

kehs

Banned
jaxword said:
Aren't rep points sort of...childish? Like, this person is more popular than that person, let's put a number on it so they can tell the world?

Nah, man these were rep points given out by mods, not peasant users.
 

Tron 2.0

Member
I feel the implementation of the new TOS was handled pretty poorly.

It happened after the Kotaku article was posted and it was done without any notice or explanation. I know that the TOS can change at any time without notification and I'm willing to believe the intentions aren't nefarious, but it all feels a little not right.

Why not make a sticky thread explaining the changes before they went live? It was done for Community threads, so why not something like this?

It's also none of my business, but is EvilLore being compensated for the new Kotaku article?

Anyway, if we're taking feature requests I still hold that the community would benefit from a "ban list" similar in idea to the one that Something Awful implements. Improves accountability and transparency.
 

Jintor

Member
phisheep said:
Let me just stick my oar in here briefly. Usual disclaimer - details vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, so I'm just looking at common law and generally-recognised international copyright law.

Basically I'm not too fussed about this at all.

1) Your copyright

You have copyright in anything you post that is original to you (that includes original photos, text, photoshops etc). Licensing these to NeoGAF through the TOS does not take that away. So you have not lost any legal rights if somebody steals it in whole or in part.

2) Licence to NeoGAF

The revised TOS give NeoGAF a perpetual etc etc licence to republish etc etc blah blah. It does not mean that NeoGAF gets your copyright. It does mean that you can't sue for copyright breach either NeoGAF or anyone that NeoGAF lets use it.

The retrospectively applicable TOS looks a bit dodgy - but no more so than many others out there (and they haven't really been tested by the courts, so I am unsure of the impact). It looks a lot of words, but they are mostly in practice harmless except for two things.

First: there's a potential exposure if NeoGAF ever gets taken over by someone less scrupulously straightforward than EvilLore. I'd prefer if the licence were non-transferable rather than transferable, so that (a) we are protected in the event of a takeover (b) EvilLore gets an extra negotiating point to avoid a takeover if he wants to (c) nobody (e.g. Kotaku) will be able to argue they had a transferred licence and syndicate your post off to umpteen million other places.

Second: there's a potential issue if a copied post gives ground for action by a third party. For example, there are some posts on GAF (including some of mine) that are potentially libellous if taken out of the context of the whole thread. And you could end up on the wrong end of a libel case. I don't think that's dreadfully likely though, and in any event EvilLore is not stupid enough to licence such posts out anyway.

3) There's a way around it (there's ALWAYS a way around it)

NeoGAF can only claim to be able to licence the copyright of something that is original to the poster. If the poster doesn't have copyright in the material posted, then NeoGAF can't acquire any such rights by virtue of the TOS.

So, if you're really worried about this, write out your posts and have your wife post them on her account. They're not her copyright, so NeoGAF acquires no rights in them whatsoever.

If you don't have a wife - go get one.

Cheers Phi.

Does 'authorised users' in this context mean 'users authorised to repost and republish content' or 'authorised users of the NeoGAF forums'? I'm leaning towards the latter.
 

Alucrid

Banned
Fry8 said:
Wouldn't Personal stickies make Subscription useless?

I'm subscribed to 1564 threads for whatever reason. (Probably didn't turn off subscribe when posting) So it's pretty useless for me. Having it at the top of the OT forum would be way better than having to go into my subscriptions.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
Can Evilore steal all of my old stuff before the ToS change happened? I have some really innovative posts. Should I go back and edit every single post I've ever made on this forum??? I might.
 

CrazyDude

Member
Timedog said:
Can Evilore steal all of my old stuff before the ToS change happened? I have some really innovative posts. Should I go back and edit every single post I've ever made on this forum??? I might.
Timedog
Terrible Poster
 

Cyan

Banned
Timedog said:
Can Evilore steal all of my old stuff before the ToS change happened? I have some really innovative posts. Should I go back and edit every single post I've ever made on this forum??? I might.
New Kotaku feature: Ask Dr. Neogaf.
 

Tron 2.0

Member
Timedog said:
Can Evilore steal all of my old stuff before the ToS change happened? I have some really innovative posts. Should I go back and edit every single post I've ever made on this forum??? I might.
Sorry man. You're now Timedog - A Wholly Owned Subsidiary of NeoGaf Corp.
 

Londa

Banned
Jintor said:
Cheers Phi.

Does 'authorised users' in this context mean 'users authorised to repost and republish content' or 'authorised users of the NeoGAF forums'? I'm leaning towards the latter.

I don't know, I guess I must be the only one who doesn't like a site letting a third party have access to an image I posted before the TOS was changed. I guess I'm crazy.
 

Pollux

Member
EviLore said:
I don't think the current version of the forum software supports that, actually, or I would have. When we update to the newer software in a few days, in order to get full search back and other features, I can go ahead and do that if it'll clarify things for people.
we get search back in a few days?!?!?!?!!?!?

You are my hero. I don't even give a damn about this new TOS thing now. Search. and New features. fuck me sideways.
 

Jintor

Member
Londa said:
I don't know, I guess I must be the only one who doesn't like a site letting a third party have access to an image I posted before the TOS was changed. I guess I'm crazy.

They don't even possess a licence to the image if I'm reading this correctly, only the URL of the images... I think... the wording is a bit confusing.
 
Is this the beginning of Kotaku-gate? I am all for attributing GAF posts to other sites, just not Kotaku. I think GAF could do better. Further on this issue, I mean this changes the game (no pun intended). Some members are going to think twice before posting anything...
 

Alucrid

Banned
Londa said:
I don't know, I guess I must be the only one who doesn't like a site letting a third party have access to an image I posted before the TOS was changed. I guess I'm crazy.

Neogaf: Selling all yo property since 10/28/11.
 

kehs

Banned
Londa said:
I don't know, I guess I must be the only one who doesn't like a site letting a third party have access to an image I posted before the TOS was changed. I guess I'm crazy.

You know he doesn't have to let other people have permission.
 

Londa

Banned
Jintor said:
They don't even possess a licence to the image if I'm reading this correctly, only the URL of the images... I think... the wording is a bit confusing.

We will see when their Neogafartist's series pops up.
 

Korey

Member
Fry8 said:
Wouldn't Personal stickies make Subscription useless?
I don't actually understand how subscriptions work or why anyone would subscribe to a thread, isn't it an email thing? that doesn't help me in my day to day GAF browsing
 
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Deleted member 22576

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Aquavelvaman said:
I want a personal thread ban list. I want to blacklist threads and never see them again. I will pay $5 for such a feature.
There is a script for this. I had it installed for a while a few years back. I don't remember much else though, sorry I can't provide more info.
 

Emitan

Member
Thunder Monkey said:
I actually own this character. The monkey I mean.

Can't exactly win against google lawyers though.
I own mine, too. ChetRippo is a total liar. And Nintendo. And Nickelodeon.
 

kehs

Banned
Korey said:
I don't actually understand how subscriptions work or why anyone would subscribe to a thread, isn't it an email thing? that doesn't help me in my day to day GAF browsing

It's a list of threads your posted in and/or manually subscribed.

You can have it notify you by email anytime a new post is made in that thread. You can also turn off the notifications and just use it as a list of threads.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
The idea that people would use GAF without User CP + Subscriptions is hilarious to me every time I hear it. Do you guys type out your posts on T9 too?
 
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