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New PS5 Controller - RAZER WOLVERINE V2 PRO

good. why do you ask
Because the right stick has remained in the same spot on both systems, and action games/shooters that use the right stick to aim are amongst the top played genres on console. Suddenly moving the left stick further up doesn't solve the problem of the right stick staying where it is.
 
Because the right stick has remained in the same spot on both systems, and action games/shooters that use the right stick to aim are amongst the top played genres on console. Suddenly moving the left stick further up doesn't solve the problem of the right stick staying where it is.
cool. right stick for aiming isn't nearly as essential in every game as movement though
 
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cool. right stick for aiming isn't nearly as essential in every game as movement though
The more action games and shooters are on the rise of popularity(and honestly both genres are pretty high in popularity already), the more the 'essential' argument tends to fall apart. What's a better solution for the right stick when it comes to this?
 
This makes me want an official dualsense controller with asymmetrical sticks so fucking bad
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64gigabyteram 64gigabyteram Yes, and(without mentioning other games and genres) why in general would it be better for the left stick to be higher?
this isnt fucking rocket science.
you hold a controller with it resting in your palms, leaving the thumbs resting beside the handles of the controller. a higher left stick would be more in line with the position of the thumbs when you're gripping the controller using this method.
 
this isnt fucking rocket science.
you hold a controller with it resting in your palms, leaving the thumbs resting beside the handles of the controller. a higher left stick would be more in line with the position of the thumbs when you're gripping the controller using this method.
So from your information and from the fact that games that use the right stick and triggers for basic interaction are the majority and are increasing more and more in number, would it make sense for both Xbox and Sony to move the right thumbstick upwards too, for right handed resting positions?
 
So from your information and from the fact that games that use the right stick and triggers for basic interaction are the majority and are increasing more and more in number, would it make sense for both Xbox and Sony to move the right thumbstick upwards too, for right handed resting positions?
No, because games that use the right stick and triggers for basic interaction are NOT the majority. The most popular likely but not even close to the majority. Platformers primarily use those buttons, RPGs, action games, fighting games, rhythm games. it's why the Wii u pro controller despite people citing it as this FPS bastion really isn't hot shit
 
No, because games that use the right stick and triggers for basic interaction are NOT the majority.
So just to be sure, I looked up a sample of information. 7 of the top 10 best selling games of 2021 need right stick movement as much as left stick movement. My issue with people who want to force asymmetrical controllers onto others is that when presented with their own information to validate why the right stick should also be moved above(like better for the hands and wrists), it will be dismissed. When also presented with alternate information like most played games, it will be dismissed as well. When presented with an actual good example of a controller that did it right(Wii U Pro), it is dismissed as well.

It creates this wall of thought where there's always a convenient defense against any criticism of it. I'd rather asymmetrical stick fans just outwardly say that it's their preferred way of playing instead of presenting it as the overall objective standard for how a controller should be. I also feel like some of those same fans using health reasons to justify asymmetrical sticks is not the best foundation to go by, because that foundation itself is weak.

it's why the Wii u pro controller despite people citing it as this FPS bastion really isn't hot shit
Do you truly think that's the fault of the controller, or is it the fault of the console lacking in content and sales? I've heard way more praises than complaints about the Wii U pro controller. The fact that it was stuck on a mediocre system with barely any shooters is simply bad luck of the draw.
 
I don't understand this obsession with symmetrical/assymmetrical sticks... Just give me a controller wit the left stick on the left and te the right stick on the right and y'all will drop like flies in my killstreacks.
 
Do you truly think that's the fault of the controller
yes, that being said i've never used it (always stuck with the gamepad) but the layout, while looking good for something like splatoon, doesn't look very good for anything else, like say Zelda. I understand the wii u also not being a very good console as well... but, i can't say it's entirely the fault of that as much as it is the controller simply being a flawed option for any game that isn't FPS or TPS.

So just to be sure, I looked up a sample of information. 7 of the top 10 best selling games of 2021 need right stick movement as much as left stick movement.
i mean yeah, a lot of those charts will be topped by games that are shooters. But for other games like fighting games, platformers, etc both on the top doesn't seem to be very comfortable.
Both on the bottom works because again, the dpad and buttons become more aligned with where the thumbs are at. but that makes hitting the analog for racing games, shooters, 3d platformers etc extremely hard.

frankly i think the best solution to this problem is a controller like the thrustmaster Eswap, which addresses the stick placement issue directly by straight up allowing you to switch the positions of the sticks and dpad. however you can't do so for the buttons iirc so it's still very flawed. but if it were tackled with a first party at the helm like MS or Sony this pointless stick war would go away entirely.
 
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Do these marketing and design people actually play games, fucking ugly, asymmetrical controllers, no speaker, no haptic feedback, no adaptive triggers and the price!

What. The. Actual. Fuck

Do not buy and support this. Do not be a retard.
 
Doesn't look like it offers enough like the Victrix pro BFG even though it cost a lot more. Automatic dismiss.
 
No, because games that use the right stick and triggers for basic interaction are NOT the majority. The most popular likely but not even close to the majority. Platformers primarily use those buttons, RPGs, action games, fighting games, rhythm games. it's why the Wii u pro controller despite people citing it as this FPS bastion really isn't hot shit

LOL you just making up shit up now. If what youre saying is true this controller (which is designed for FPS) would have moved the position of the right stick.
 
I can't speak for the comfort of this controller, but I have the Razer Wolverine Ultimate and it's the best controller I've used, much better than official Xbox and DualSense controllers. The back buttons are the same on this controller with 4 below and 2 extra up top. Good stuff. I also notice they have analog trigger travel distance locks for shorter pulls, which can be convenient. High price seems like the only downside.
 
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this controller better be well built and drift proof, price is ridiculous.
 
LOL are people seriously trying to argue symmetrical sticks are better? This shit has already been proven that asymmetrical is the superior way because of how control schemes and games are designed. It simply allows you to do more things at once.
Xbox and Nintendo do it right. You people are probably the same ones that argued buttons were superior to triggers in the PS2/Xbox days for shooters and racing games.
 
So just to be sure, I looked up a sample of information. 7 of the top 10 best selling games of 2021 need right stick movement as much as left stick movement. My issue with people who want to force asymmetrical controllers onto others is that when presented with their own information to validate why the right stick should also be moved above(like better for the hands and wrists), it will be dismissed. When also presented with alternate information like most played games, it will be dismissed as well. When presented with an actual good example of a controller that did it right(Wii U Pro), it is dismissed as well.

It creates this wall of thought where there's always a convenient defense against any criticism of it. I'd rather asymmetrical stick fans just outwardly say that it's their preferred way of playing instead of presenting it as the overall objective standard for how a controller should be. I also feel like some of those same fans using health reasons to justify asymmetrical sticks is not the best foundation to go by, because that foundation itself is weak.


Do you truly think that's the fault of the controller, or is it the fault of the console lacking in content and sales? I've heard way more praises than complaints about the Wii U pro controller. The fact that it was stuck on a mediocre system with barely any shooters is simply bad luck of the draw.

Both sticks up is a false option but it would be comfortable. The idea solution is asymmetric controller with gyro aim since the configuration has optimal placement of the left stick for movement for all games and solves the poor resolution of aiming with the right stick while leaving the face buttons easily accessible.
 
this isnt fucking rocket science.
you hold a controller with it resting in your palms, leaving the thumbs resting beside the handles of the controller. a higher left stick would be more in line with the position of the thumbs when you're gripping the controller using this method.
Asymetrical is not for my hands. Using the X360 controller for pc, pressing up on the left stick it starts to strain my thumb cuz its too far up. I can play all day with a dualsense and nothing in my hands get sore.

Thumbstick warrior should just look for something else to complain, as one is not better than other, i can easely play with either configuration, its just a matter of preference depending of how ppl hold the controllers and hand sizes. And for me i prefer the symetrical configuration with both thumbsticks in the lower section.
 
do yall literally only play 2d games or some shit? go asymmetrical, your thumbs will thank you. and this is coming from a guy who used them for a while

That being said wait for sony to make an official asymmetrical controller this looks like dogwater

I play tons of 3D games on my PS5. My thumbs don't have any issues and im actually more comfortable with symmetrical sticks. But that's just my preference.
 
Madcatz had good products though. The TE fight stick I bought in 2009 still works perfectly today and I beat the hell out of that thing for years. With Razer you are flirting with disaster after eight months.
I know i have two of em. Bought one extra years later on ebay because i never liked any other fight stick.

Talking old madcatz
 
I don't understand this obsession with symmetrical/assymmetrical sticks... Just give me a controller wit the left stick on the left and te the right stick on the right and y'all will drop like flies in my killstreacks.
This guy gets it.

Unless someone can show a study where one design is superior to the other, it's purely preference. That is it.
 
I don't understand this obsession with symmetrical/assymmetrical sticks... Just give me a controller wit the left stick on the left and te the right stick on the right and y'all will drop like flies in my killstreacks.

This guy gets it.

Unless someone can show a study where one design is superior to the other, it's purely preference. That is it.

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I used to complain about it when I was a teen, for fun. I don't see any difference between sticks placement.
 
This guy gets it.

Unless someone can show a study where one design is superior to the other, it's purely preference. That is it.

Basically. I actually find the height of the sticks to be more important. Something that I've noticed after going back to the PS5 after playing the Switch for a while.
 
This guy gets it.

Unless someone can show a study where one design is superior to the other, it's purely preference. That is it.
Yup. Owned Xboxs and PSs over the years playing with both designs and I never feel awkward with either control in my hands.

Also nowadays I tend to always keep mine plugged in anyways so even battery life is not an issue.

Stick drift does grind my gears though and my first dualsense 5 had it.
 
This guy gets it.

Unless someone can show a study where one design is superior to the other, it's purely preference. That is it.

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I used to complain about it when I was a teen, for fun. I don't see any difference between sticks placement.

People like to have a confrontation or/and discussion about pretty much every damn little thingy in life lol. And that's okay if it's done with civil manner. At the same time, fortunately we were made with the capacity to adapt to the hardest conditions... including control stick placement 💪
 
Unless someone can show a study where one design is superior to the other, it's purely preference. That is it.
Asymmetrical is better because of how control schemes and games are designed. It allows you to do more things at once.
That is fact.
 
According to whom exactly?
Sorry if this doesn't make sense but will try and explain.
The left stick is the primary and right secondary. The left is the most used, some games don't even use the right stick but every game uses the left. In games where both are used, the left is the most important.
To use the face buttons while using the primary stick simultaneously you simply move right thumb to buttons in both control layouts.
Problem is when trying to use primary stick along with D-pad (health, weapon select, view, radar, etc).
To use the D-pad in asymmetrical while using the primary stick simultaneously you simply move right thumb to D-pad.
To use the D-pad in symmetrical while using the primary stick simultaneously you would have to extend thumb over the top of left thumb.
TLDR: Hold both controllers in your hand and try to use D-pad along with left stick. One is much easier.
 
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